The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 6: Aug. 2021- Oct. 2022

[Curryong]

I enjoyed that speech. I actually remember seeing Diana?s meeting with Nelson Mandela. How lucky she was to talk to him and enjoy his presence. He?s one of my heroes. Good to know that Harry has met and spoken to so many of the man?s friends, family and colleagues over the years, including Archbishop Tutu. Incidentally, I believe that Mandela Day should be held on another date earlier or later in the year, not in the holidays, to allow more people to attend.

[SiennaMonet]

Flying doesn't bother me but I'm glad he addressed to a room full of people who can work in sectors to change it, not your average joe on the street that is doing their part.

All in all, it was a great speech and is getting a lot of positive feedback. Even the SA Government posted about it and in a news clip (Sky?) Mandela's grand-daughter spoke about why they asked Prince Harry to give the speech. A few photos of him getting the thumbs up from the speaker's before him & other's.

My favorite line from the speech was "That doesn't mean he was perfect. No, he was something better. He was human."

There are a lot of lines I liked, some have already been quoted but I think that one was very beautiful.

Also glad to see Meghan with Gloria!


If anyone wants the full transcript of his speech, lemme know, I don't think I can link it here bc a twitter user posted it but I can PM it to people!

Edit* Someone pointed out but his speech giving has gotten better.

Originally Posted by Curryong

I enjoyed that speech. I actually remember seeing Diana?s meeting with Nelson Mandela. How lucky she was to talk to him and enjoy his presence. He?s one of my heroes. Good to know that Harry has met and spoken to so many of the man?s friends, family and colleagues over the years, including Archbishop Tutu. Incidentally, I believe that Mandela Day should be held on another date earlier or later in the year, not in the holidays, to allow more people to attend.

I second all of this.
I also saw that it was limited because of COVID restrictions so I don't know if that has anything to do with the lesser amount of people there.

[Roslyn]

Harry continues to impress me. In my opinion that speech was very good, and delivered very well. His mother would have been proud

[MARG]

I think you called it right with Covid. Most sensible institutions are working on rotating workers just as my sister's office has divided its workerforce into two so they each work 2 days at home and 2 at work and never do the two parts cross paths. They also still wear masks as well. Not all our Parliamentarians were in the Chamber at one time using the same type of precautions. The same goes for Committees, etc.

[Mirabel]

Originally Posted by sophie25

The U.S. Supreme Court and it's decisions are none of his concern and I almost choked on my coffee when he mentioned climate change after his back to back private jets to the Jubilee celebrations. They are both beyond parody but seem oblivious to it.

That bothered me too.
If you're going to fly around on private jets all the time, fine...but then don't preach about the environment.

Practice what you preach- or don't preach!

[FigTree]

There was no one there. Apparently at this time of year that they are quite empty.

You can see the speech in total. I watched it earlier. I think the UN removed it now. It was just a speech. A bit all over the place for Mandela day. Don’t know why a lot of stuff mentioned mattered in this context. Eugenie addressed the UN on slavery recently too.

I always feel sorry for them at the moment whatever they do. Maybe it is, to me, that they look like people desperately trying to have a voice and play with the big boys but in reality they just look like rich people trying way to hard. I just feel like now everyone should move on and just forget about it. The more coverage they get, the more I am just embarrassed for them really. I don’t even know why maybe they just seem so Unfocussed and without a place and now that all they have said seems so embarrassing.

[Claire]

Well I agree that all royals and many statesmen give speeches on topics that they know very little about - there is a trick around that. It involves not including yourself in the narrative.

I have watched the speech in full several times now and I know quiet a bit about speeches. At the UN and not. And this was a dog's breakfast from the first second.
His tempo was incorrect, he failed to change to a dictation voice when he read out the quotes so no one noticed the quotes. His swallowed words, which Harry has never done before. The entire deliverance was off.
Now yes - the last two can be covered by nerves, but this isnt the biggest platform that he has been on and he might have been put off by the people moving in the audience. A number of people left and returned to the auditorium during the speech and that is a bit off putting.

Then there was the content of the speech itself. It was beyond generalization. I assure you people in the Ukraine, people in Australia and people in the US have not had the same experiences of the last year. There was no need to bring US domestic politics into the speech, what does that have to do with Nelson Mandela. There were too many half baked ideas and statements - why? There needed to be a central theme of the speech. This speech was everywhere. One idea was all that was needed. Too many people were involved here and it was far from cohesive in language and in ideas. You will notice that his diction goes from colloquial to political to propagandist in a few sentences.

I feel that Harry was overwhelmed by the platform - a simple speech on Nelson Mandela legacy would have sufficed. This was not a place to bring in every hot topic Harry and Meghan want to discuss and lump them all together as if they are related and impact the world in the same way. They seem to have been taught the words but have not real understanding of the issues.

[eya]

Duke and Duchess of Sussex enjoy a Dinner at Locanda Verde in Manhattan last night


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-friends.html

[iceflower]

The Duke of Sussex has filed a second lawsuit against Home Office and Scotland Yard, TRF member TLLK has shared the following news link:


** newsweek article: Harry Files New Lawsuit Against U.K. Government in Sign Tensions Remain **

And here's an additional article by the dailymail:


** dailymail article: Prince Harry files his second lawsuit against UK government and Scotland Yard over decision to ban him from ..**

[muriel]

Originally Posted by iceflower

The Duke of Sussex has filed a second lawsuit against Home Office and Scotland Yard, TRF member TLLK has shared the following news link:


** newsweek article: Harry Files New Lawsuit Against U.K. Government in Sign Tensions Remain **

And here's an additional article by the dailymail:


** dailymail article: Prince Harry files his second lawsuit against UK government and Scotland Yard over decision to ban him from ..**

Ironic a Prince of the Realm is at odds with his grandmother's government to the pojint of legal action; when will he see sense?

[Lori138]

I am sure that the Duke's law firm are loving every minute of this! $$$$

[hereditarytitles]

Originally Posted by Lori138

I am sure that the Duke's law firm are loving every minute of this! $$$$

I don't believe harry's lawfirm will win. He is only claiming that he doesn't get full security protection as a royal such as he used to have. Maybe that is how he explains that he doesn't take his wife and children to GB because of securtiy. He claimed that the royal security plus Metro police (which he was used to) dont cover visits for his wife and children, His private security in the US which he is paying himself doesen't get access to information that the GB police has (such as people who have threatened to kill him and his family, some of that racist antiroyal and radical). And i read somewhere that the MP says "Nobody can rent us"

I don't think that this applies to prominent and famous people.

Does anybody know how securtiy was handled in Britain about Edward and Wallis Simpson, which is the only example that might apply to Harrys andMeghans situation.
Many things have changed since then, but it would still be interesting to know what kind of securtiy they had in their exile in France (if at all) and when they visited in GB. (which I cannot remember ever ocurred)

[Alison H]

I find this whole situation extremely bizarre. What does he hope to achieve by it? He is no longer a working royal, so he is no longer entitled to publicly-funded security. End of. He may feel at risk, but the same applies to a lot of famous people and they all have to fund their own security, and, no, that does not include access to the police force. If the police received any intelligence of a direct threat to him and his family, they would pass it on. Are the police meant to provide security to all footballers, pop stars, actors, politicians, top business people and anyone else high-profile?

[camelot23ca]

Originally Posted by muriel

Ironic a Prince of the Realm is at odds with his grandmother's government to the pojint of legal action; when will he see sense?

To me, the sensible thing would have been for them to say nothing about the security issue and then discreetly see what arrangements could be made with the police once some time had passed. By that I don’t mean asking for an arrangement identical to what they had before they stepped down as working royals, but rather to see what sort of flexibility and room for compromise might have existed based on their new situation.

It sounds like Harry was used to receiving blanket security because of his position in the Royal Family, and then once he and Meghan stepped down and decided to leave the country they became “regular” VIPs, with their access to security in the UK based on ongoing assessments of their risk level. I think we can take it as a given that the police and the government wouldn’t want any harm to come to Harry or his family on their watch, and would be more likely to err on the side of caution when determining how much security they’d require. But by continuing to bring these lawsuits, Harry is forcing them to take a hard line, which they’ll need to maintain for as long as this issue has the attention of the media and the public.

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[HighGoalHighDreams]

Originally Posted by Alison H

I find this whole situation extremely bizarre. What does he hope to achieve by it? He is no longer a working royal, so he is no longer entitled to publicly-funded security. End of. He may feel at risk, but the same applies to a lot of famous people and they all have to fund their own security, and, no, that does not include access to the police force. If the police received any intelligence of a direct threat to him and his family, they would pass it on. Are the police meant to provide security to all footballers, pop stars, actors, politicians, top business people and anyone else high-profile?

He hopes to "be proved right" publicly, because he can't let anything go since he feels so hard done by.

He needs to prove he was right about what was said or not said during the meetings before he left the UK; he needs to prove he is right about the "right or wrong" people surrounding and influencing The Queen; he needs to prove certain of his family members are acting in concert against him and acting to influence decisions concerning him. In short, he needs to prove that Harry's side of every story is the only side of the story.

This is a man who feels he was denied the right to tell his side of things his whole life, and now he just can't stop. Not only does he need to share his perspective on everything, his is the only perspective.

Of course it has nothing to do with actual security concerns. As you rightly point out, the police will respond to prevent any risk to Harry and his family in the appropriate manner, as they always have. This is not a gamble they will take.

[Leopoldine]

The more fuss the Sussexes make about security, the more attention they will get, both positive and negative. You could make the case that they are striving to create controversy so that their need for state security seems more justified amidst the inevitable negative stories.

[US Royal Watcher]

I am curious as to whether he has asked for 24/7 protection from the Santa Barbara police, since there have been several attempted break-ins at his home. I suspect if he did contact the police, they have not provided round-the-clock protection even if he offered to pay for it. They may increase patrols around the mansion but I suspect that area is pretty well guarded since it is a gated community and a lot of high profile people live nearby.

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by US Royal Watcher

I am curious as to whether he has asked for 24/7 protection from the Santa Barbara police, since there have been several attempted break-ins at his home. I suspect if he did contact the police, they have not provided round-the-clock protection even if he offered to pay for it. They may increase patrols around the mansion but I suspect that area is pretty well guarded since it is a gated community and a lot of high profile people live nearby.

Interesting question US Royal Watcher as Santa Barbara Co. is the place where they've had the most security breaches, not the UK.

[yukari]

Originally Posted by US Royal Watcher

I am curious as to whether he has asked for 24/7 protection from the Santa Barbara police, since there have been several attempted break-ins at his home. I suspect if he did contact the police, they have not provided round-the-clock protection even if he offered to pay for it. They may increase patrols around the mansion but I suspect that area is pretty well guarded since it is a gated community and a lot of high profile people live nearby.

Well, for one his private security (in US) is armed. Second, maybe they get inside information from CIA.
That's what he wants, right? The rights to carry gun while in UK and intelligence information.

Just wondering how much of his perceived potential threats are real/valid threats and how much of it are his own paranoia. Many famous celebrities have unhinged fans and anti-fans, so there's potential threats there, yet they manage without having round the clock police protection and Intelligence inside information
Maybe instead of "investing" his money to his lawyers, joining therapy will be better investment for him ...

[Prinsara]

He's not getting a thing from the CIA. I will state that with confidence.

For one thing, any major threats to them in the US that aren't handled by the police would be domestic and go to the FBI.

The CIA has far more pressing things to deal with than the Sussexes.