The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 6: Aug. 2021- Oct. 2022

[Heavs]

Originally Posted by Elenath

Other people who aren't working royals were at the lunch and the concert. I know a lot of people see Harry and Meghan as attention grabbing, but there's always the option of them preferring to stay out of sight because they know what the result would be. It's other people and the media that are intent on putting them in the spotlight.



If there is a rift I'm sure this is very helpful. A surefire way to mend past hurts, no matter who caused them.

Whilst the media certainly like to play up whatever the Sussexes do or don't do, they certainly want to be in the spotlight what with various interviews, a "royal" tour of NYC, memoirs and a TV show coming out. They use their titles at every opportunity so they clearly want to remind people that they're royal as well. Meghan even issued press releases during PPs funeral that she was unable to attend.

Given that it's unclear if this "low profile" was their wish or if it was forced upon them or both. It was for the best in any case, probably for all parties concerned.

Re: The Rift, they were invited to the Jubilee despite everything and treated similarly to the Yorks, Tindalls, Phillipes and Sarah Chatto. IF they weren't actually invited to the Guildhall it's probably because it was thought to be too awkward for both sides, especially as Harry is suing Priti Patel (As Home Secretary) who was in attendance. They probably had a better time at home.

The Sussexes themselves haven't been in any great rush to make public reconciliation, quite the opposite, with everyone except HM. And then there's the "bombshell" book and Netflix show out soon that is hanging over everyone.

[Erin9]

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia

It's actually the exact opposite of that. They've gone to the official portion and (allegedly) abstained from the social portion.

That does appear to be the case.

They attended Trooping and the Service. Those were official and public events.

They seemed to not attend- the social (and more private) parts of both events they attended. They also didn’t attend the concert. Pretty social event. That was, of course, public.

So far- I don’t see pics of them at today’s event either.

Whether that was their choice. Or they were told this was the deal. Or a mix- who knows.

Someone made a fair point that- beyond some potential family awkwardness, there’s also the issue of Harry suing the office of people attending the events.

[Elly C]

I’m glad they came and were present at the two official events. Sad that they were not in attendance at the more social occasions but I can see why this might have been a good compromise and, happily, their short public appearances passed off without providing anything meaty for the papers to pick at. I hope there might have been some occasion for a private meeting between the immediate family, but it probably too raw for that right now. It’s just important they came.

[4Pam]

"Harry suing the office of people attending the events." ???


What? Why would he do that?

[Erin9]

Originally Posted by Elly C

I’m glad they came and were present at the two official events. Sad that they were not in attendance at the more social occasions but I can see why this might have been a good compromise and, happily, their short public appearances passed off without providing anything meaty for the papers to pick at. I hope there might have been some occasion for a private meeting between the immediate family, but it probably too raw for that right now. It’s just important they came.

If they didn’t arrive until just before the Jubilee events- and don’t stay long after- I doubt there was/will be much time for private family socializing. (Maybe a birthday party for Lili
was an opportunity?)

This has been a very busy time for all of the immediate (including cousins) family. Who have attended a lot of events they didn’t.

It’s nice they came though.

[SiennaMonet]

Originally Posted by Heavs

Whilst the media certainly like to play up whatever the Sussexes do or don't do, they certainly want to be in the spotlight what with various interviews, a "royal" tour of NYC, memoirs and a TV show coming out. They use their titles at every opportunity so they clearly want to remind people that they're royal as well. Meghan even issued press releases during PPs funeral that she was unable to attend.

Given that it's unclear if this "low profile" was their wish or if it was forced upon them or both. It was for the best in any case, probably for all parties concerned.

Re: The Rift, they were invited to the Jubilee despite everything and treated similarly to the Yorks, Tindalls, Phillipes and Sarah Chatto. IF they weren't actually invited to the Guildhall it's probably because it was thought to be too awkward for both sides, especially as Harry is suing Priti Patel (As Home Secretary) who was in attendance. They probably had a better time at home.

The Sussexes themselves haven't been in any great rush to make public reconciliation, quite the opposite, with everyone except HM. And then there's the "bombshell" book and Netflix show out soon that is hanging over everyone.

Harry doesn’t need his title to remind anyone he’s royal.

Him simply existing as the grandson of a Queen, the son of a future King and the brother of a future, future and his mother is Diana. You could strip away his titles and remove him for the line of succession, his connection goes beyond words.

They use their titles because they’re theirs. And he’s a Prince by blood.

And I’m sorry they never said they wanted to leave the spotlight or stop being public figures. Stepping back as senior royals wouldn’t change that.

[Durham]

Originally Posted by SiennaMonet

Harry doesn’t need his title to remind anyone he’s royal.

Him simply existing as the grandson of a Queen, the son of a future King and the brother of a future, future and his mother is Diana. You could strip away his titles and remove him for the line of succession, his connection goes beyond words.

They use their titles because they’re theirs. And he’s a Prince by blood.

And I’m sorry they never said they wanted to leave the spotlight or stop being public figures. Stepping back as senior royals wouldn’t change that.

He's a prince by letters patent.

Purely by coincidence (nothing to do with Harry) earlier I posted a link from Hansard in the future of the British monarchy thread related this very issue. I'd provide a link to the thread but I don't know how to.

[SiennaMonet]

Originally Posted by Durham

He's a prince by letters patent.

Purely by coincidence (nothing to do with Harry) earlier I posted a link from Hansard in the future of the British monarchy thread linked this very issue. I'd provide a link but I don't know how to.

Gotcha, it took letters to make him a Prince fair. I'll check it out, a little hunting isn't a worry.

Then I'll say, he grew up being a member, in the spotlight. So even if it's stripped of everything, his entire existence was him coming up in the RF so even taking it away, wouldn't suddenly get rid of that connection.

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Also another note, I just saw it today but The Hubb Community Kitchen posted a picture of Harry & Meghan at church with a nice little message. It was nice and cute so I thought I'd share.

[Royalist.in.NC]

The whole thing is very sad but predictable. Obviously, we will never know (nor should we) what happened behind the scenes - their personal family business. But if Harry and/or Meghan expected that the RF and the British public would “ move on” and “forgive and forget,” IMO that is incredibly naive. There has been no public (nor private, it seems) apology for the Oprah interview and all the damage that resulted from that. There seems to be no trust between senior royals and the Sussexes - deservingly so.

At the service at St Paul’s they were literally put in their places with other grandchildren of HM who are non working royals. Personally I heard nothing but cheers when they entered St Paul’s but I did hear both cheers and boos as they left- how awkward for all the family but they have reaped what they sewed.

I am glad for HM’s sake that they came which was the respectful and familial right thing to do. Their presence was important for HM and they honored her wish and invitation. Perhaps there will be some healing out of the public eye. However, this was one incredibly busy weekend with many wonderful things planned to celebrate HMTQ. Not the best time to sort out family issues….

[Granada]

The Jubilee seems to have been a smashing success that rallied The Country and Family together. The Queen's Paddington Bear skit was just great too.
It must be bittersweet for Harry, who was such a popular and integral part of the Family to be in this position during The Queen's last hurrah...The Jubilee. The third of "The trio", with William and Kate. A very popular Cousin and beloved Uncle, and now sadly gone from watching the Tindall, Philips children grow up, as well as George, Charlotte and Louis.
While he himself has two children, that the way it looks now, they won't able to forge the genuine friendships with family members AS he did with Peter and Zara and the York girls.

Megan was basically raised as an only child. If She had relationships with Cousins, I'm not aware. But Harry did. Close ones. He introduced Zara and Mike no less.
To me, It seems on a personal level this weekend must have been hard. Not just the downgrade in Status, but the realization of how much was lost in the botched departure from the Firm.
Made me wonder this weekend if Harry wishes the Sussex's had been more conciliatory and not so very rushed to get out in Nov 2019 thru Jan of 2020. I believe Megan is happy, She is " home" in California. But Harry ? I really question that. I hope so, but I'm not convinced. And I hope the Book coming out is as boring as can be.

No "truth bombs", no grievances to be aired, no scores to settle. Because if Harry does, that's it. Done.
The Door will be slammed shut on him AND his Children sadly too. I hope he thinks down the line about them in this.

[Heavs]

Originally Posted by SiennaMonet

Harry doesn’t need his title to remind anyone he’s royal.

Him simply existing as the grandson of a Queen, the son of a future King and the brother of a future, future and his mother is Diana. You could strip away his titles and remove him for the line of succession, his connection goes beyond words.

They use their titles because they’re theirs. And he’s a Prince by blood.

And I’m sorry they never said they wanted to leave the spotlight or stop being public figures. Stepping back as senior royals wouldn’t change that.

Indeed he will always be a born royal. But it might be seen as a little overkill to have "Prince Harry Duke of Sussex" 7-8 times on his BetterUp profile for example. Meghan also used Duchess of Sussex when lobbying US Congress. It's absolutely her right as an American to lobby congress but it might have been a good idea to leave the titles off.

I was highlighting that it wasn't just the media who made the Sussexes high profile. They themselves want attention. She issued a press release about the wreath she sent in the middle of the funeral procession, presumably to make sure she was included in coverage of the day. She sort out publicity. Which is fine if that's the way they want to play it but they aren't simply victims of the media.

They never said in their manifesto on Sussex Royal that they wanted privacy but they have elsewhere. It is clear that the thing they most want is absolute control of the narrative about them (and I do understand why) and that is impossible.

[SiennaMonet]

Originally Posted by Heavs

Indeed he will always be a born royal. But it might be seen as a little overkill to have "Prince Harry Duke of Sussex" 7-8 times on his BetterUp profile for example. Meghan also used Duchess of Sussex when lobbying US Congress. It's absolutely her right as an American to lobby congress but it might have been a good idea to leave the titles off.

I was highlighting that it wasn't just the media who made the Sussexes high profile. They themselves want attention. She issued a press release about the wreath she sent in the middle of the funeral procession, presumably to make sure she was included in coverage of the day. She sort out publicity. Which is fine if that's the way they want to play it but they aren't simply victims of the media.

They never said in their manifesto on Sussex Royal that they wanted privacy but they have elsewhere. It is clear that the thing they most want is absolute control of the narrative about them (and I do understand why) and that is impossible.

Fair to think that, I don't see an issue with it, it's his title and when you go to the website it's not the first thing you see but I understand the issue's someone could have with it.

I also know that but that's what it felt like. And I'll say, it's more the media than the Sussex's but I won't deny they want to seen, they'll need to for their projects and Meghan was already in the media, smaller but in it with her own work before marrying Harry. I just don't think Phillips funeral as that and I can admit, I can see how people would view it that way.

They never mentioned it, even in their stepping back message, they didn't mention it. Meghan mentioned it in the O interview, to clearly tell the world she never mentioned anything about it. And yes, a big part of it is the narrative, I don't think they wanted absolute control but the freedom to deal with certain things. And the move has been pretty good for privacy, at least in my eyes, they've been able to move and just appear places without that information getting out and now, it makes it super clear that when UK media says source's say, it's clear that it's not really sources as they don't have access to them in any form.

I agree with somethings, disagree with others but that's life eh? I can understand how you feel though and there's nothing much to do about that.


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This is slightly off topic but kind of on because it's about Lili and Archies birthday and the reason I came back to post because I just checked but we managed to raise over $100,000 between Lili & Archies bdays for WCK. The goal was $30,000 and we've gone well over that so happy birthday to the two of them again!

[RoyalOpinions]

Originally Posted by Heavs

Indeed he will always be a born royal. But it might be seen as a little overkill to have "Prince Harry Duke of Sussex" 7-8 times on his BetterUp profile for example. Meghan also used Duchess of Sussex when lobbying US Congress. It's absolutely her right as an American to lobby congress but it might have been a good idea to leave the titles off.

I was highlighting that it wasn't just the media who made the Sussexes high profile. They themselves want attention. She issued a press release about the wreath she sent in the middle of the funeral procession, presumably to make sure she was included in coverage of the day. She sort out publicity. Which is fine if that's the way they want to play it but they aren't simply victims of the media.

They never said in their manifesto on Sussex Royal that they wanted privacy but they have elsewhere. It is clear that the thing they most want is absolute control of the narrative about them (and I do understand why) and that is impossible.

They should not remove titles but the Queen should tell them Privately they can not use the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Prince Harry should continue to be Prince Harry but Meghan should use Meghan Windsor. To me when you get on TV and go after the family they should not be allowed to use titles. I also do not believe Archie and Lili should have Prince or Princess titles since they won't be working Royals and not living in the United States. She doesn't have to remove the Dukedom. They removed HRH, they can tell them the Dukedom is not theirs any longer and if they use it take them to court. Yes, it would get ugly but oh well. The UK public is all that matters and the law.

[ACO]

Originally Posted by muriel

I would not draw the conclusion that H&M were not invited, they may have chosen to not attend.

As I said earlier today, I think the limited appearances suit the H&M narrative that they are only in the UK to support and see the Queen. The rest of the family, especially C&C and W&C are "baddies" in the narrative spread by H&M, and they do not necessarily want to be seen too much in public with them.

Today much of the UK media commentary said they choose not to attend, and they were surprised by it because all of the extended family were there. I tend to agree. Frankly I think they only came to spend time with HMQ and that is what they did. Outside the service they stayed out the limelight which is what many wanted. So it was a win/win for everyone.

[Durham]

Originally Posted by SiennaMonet

Fair to think that, I don't see an issue with it, it's his title

Which he uses incorrectly. As does his wife. They are simply 'The Duke & Duchess of Sussex'. That's it. Nothing else.

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[principessa]

The official picture of Lilibet Mountbatten-Windsor at her first birthday.

https://twitter.com/Gertsroyals/stat...350593/photo/1

[SiennaMonet]

And another photo of Lili + Meghan + friends at Lili's birthday party


https://twitter.com/misanharriman/st...14137201459208

[TLLK]

Thank you for sharing the photos. Lilibet's birthday portrait is adorable.

[crm2317]

What an adorable little girl! And red hair! I think she really resembles August Brooksbank!