The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 6: Aug. 2021- Oct. 2022

[sophie25]

Originally Posted by Kaye1850

Yes, the cemetery photo shoot! IIRC, the Duchess also chose a heavy winter’s coat for that event. Speculation was she had planned to wear it at the Cenotaph but that appearance didn’t happen. Perhaps she plans her wardrobe too far ahead, and then is loathe to make changes.

This is where we see the big mistake of the Queen allowing them to keep those titles. She didn't want them to be half in/half out, being royal only on their own terms but that is exactly what they are doing in NY. It wasn't Harry Windsor and Meghan Markle meeting these powerful people and being given a tour of places in the city, this was TRH The Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

[ACO]

Her coat wasn't really heavy winter. It was quite chilly this morning and it is very windy now. Was suppose to rain but so far it has not. I saw many people with jackets on this morning. It isn't hot by any means but I can see why some would find it strange.

[Claricecolin]

Originally Posted by Durham

They get to meet elected officials because of who they are. That's unfair access. That's certainly a form of corruption

There are many things in life that are unfair but most do not meet the definition of corruption. This doesn't meet the standards of corruption.

Harry and Meghan never said they would disappear. They couldn't just demand to meet with mayor and governor. The mayor and governor chose to meet with them. Harry and Meghan seemed to have their own security. The mayor and governor have their own security details too. They would be with them no matter where they were or who they were with.

[Prinsara]

Originally Posted by tihkon2

They get access because they are the Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland's grandson and his wife. Top tier British Royals have always and will always have access to the upper classes and the elected officials in the USA. That's the way it is, and the way it has been since at least the 1860's and Albert Edward's cross country trip in the USA.

Albert Edward was the working PoW, representing HM the Queen.

These two, as many have pointed out, are not representing anything but themselves. Moreover this is definitely "getting into politics". Without bias, but still extremely political.

And to do what, except raise their own profile?

Even the Windsors didn't have this sort of chutzpah. (Except once. They went to Nazi Germany to be treated with a high profile.)

[Claire]

Originally Posted by sophie25

This is where we see the big mistake of the Queen allowing them to keep those titles. She didn't want them to be half in/half out, being royal only on their own terms but that is exactly what they are doing in NY. It wasn't Harry Windsor and Meghan Markle meeting these powerful people and being given a tour of places in the city, this was TRH The Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

Unfortunately the Queen doesn't seem to have any sway on them anymore - if she ever did. It is up to the American people to 'control' them now. If Americans are okay with having non elected self appointed ambassadors of themselves running around then they may be happy in provide them with access most dignitaries would kill for.

[Queen Ester]

Originally Posted by Claire

yes - I am sure Americans and New Yorkers will be asking the same question. Along with who is paying for the NYPD crowd controlled ect.

I am a New Yorker, and quite honestly I would not have know about this event, if not for Daily Mail spread. There is a lot of corruption in New York government offices, as well as in the UN, think of this as you may.....

Originally Posted by Claire

yes - I am sure Americans and New Yorkers will be asking the same question. Along with who is paying for the NYPD crowd controlled ect.

The question was asked, but no answer given

[Claricecolin]

Originally Posted by sophie25

This is where we see the big mistake of the Queen allowing them to keep those titles. She didn't want them to be half in/half out, being royal only on their own terms but that is exactly what they are doing in NY. It wasn't Harry Windsor and Meghan Markle meeting these powerful people and being given a tour of places in the city, this was TRH The Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

Doesn't it take an act of parliament to remove the dukedom of Sussex? They are not using the HRH. Even if dukedom and HRH were formally taken away would not they still be Prince and Princess Henry (Harry)?

[Leopoldine]

Originally Posted by Durham

They get to meet elected officials because of who they are. That's unfair access. That's certainly a form of corruption.

Can't believe many Americans will be be happy with that. A resident foreign prince possibly having the ear of elected officials for decades to come. Raises all sorts of questions surely.

At the same time, American superstars are fawned over in the UK by politicians, which must greatly displease their constituents. Angelina Jolie buddying around with William Hague when he was in office, for instance. He always had time for her. She and her children also got a private tour of Buckingham Palace.

Like Harry and Meghan, she has philanthropic interests.

[Queen Ester]

Originally Posted by Durham

They get to meet elected officials because of who they are. That's unfair access. That's certainly a form of corruption.

Can't believe many Americans will be be happy with that. A resident foreign prince possibly having the ear of elected officials for decades to come. Raises all sorts of questions surely.

I doubt the mayor of New York will be re-elected, so I think this is just one-off

Originally Posted by Claricecolin

There are many things in life that are unfair but most do not meet the definition of corruption. This doesn't meet the standards of corruption.

Harry and Meghan never said they would disappear. They couldn't just demand to meet with mayor and governor. The mayor and governor chose to meet with them. Harry and Meghan seemed to have their own security. The mayor and governor have their own security details too. They would be with them no matter where they were or who they were with.

I am sure they did not demand the meeting, but their PR team surely asked for a meeting, there are plenty of major politicians at the UN gathering, but only Harry and Meghan get a big spread in Daily Mail, think of it what you will

[Claricecolin]

Originally Posted by Queen Ester

I doubt the mayor of New York will be re-elected, so I think this is just one-off

The mayor of NYC is term limited and cannot run again. The new governor intends on running for a full term in the upcoming election.

[Mirabel]

Originally Posted by Queen Ester

I doubt the mayor of New York will be re-elected, so I think this is just one-off

He can't be re-elected. Term Limits.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Claricecolin

Ironic, isn't it? The same tabloid press that says they are irrelevant and attention seeking can't seem to stop running nearly daily stories on them.

Interest of the reader base determines who you print about. It's about circulation and subscriptions and the green dollar.

Originally Posted by Claricecolin

Doesn't it take an act of parliament to remove the dukedom of Sussex? They are not using the HRH. Even if dukedom and HRH were formally taken away would not they still be Prince and Princess Henry (Harry)?

This is correct. The only reason Parliament has ever stripped a peer of his title was for treason. Not behaving badly or in a scandal or such. Removing Harry's ducal title for reasons such as "The Queen wants it" or "dude behaved badly" would then set a precedent that *any* peer could have his title removed for just about any reason at all. Parliament is *not* going to remove Harry's title.

[Curryong]

Reluctant though I am to quote the Daily Fail this from one of their articles about this visit may provide an explanation about the security issue.

Wackrow noted that, although they have stepped down from official duties, Harry and Meghan are still family members of the British head of state, and thus might reasonably expect some government protection while in a high threat environment, such as Manhattan during the general assembly.
'While they are not the head of state for the United Kingdom, they are part of the head of state's family and at times such as summits, global gatherings, it is warranted they receive some level of protection, even if it is taxpayer funded protection,' he said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-Service.html

[Queen Ester]

Originally Posted by Mirabel

He can't be re-elected. Term Limits.

Perhaps, this is the reason, he does not care anymore what New Yorkers think of him, he can chill with whomever he wants

[duchessrachel]

Originally Posted by sophie25

This is where we see the big mistake of the Queen allowing them to keep those titles. She didn't want them to be half in/half out, being royal only on their own terms but that is exactly what they are doing in NY. It wasn't Harry Windsor and Meghan Markle meeting these powerful people and being given a tour of places in the city, this was TRH The Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

Agreed. Regardless of the cause they were promoting, the way they conducted this visit looks to me like a pitiful attempt to appear as if they are working royals, except that they are not. For someone like me who loves the Royal Family, I view how they are conducting themselves as a ploy to appear to get their way. They could still have had meetings in NY, but not have done it like a royal engagement. It looks like they are trying to establish their own "royal court" in the US, like the one the Queen would not let them have.

[Curryong]

I doubt very very much that the couple asked for that much security. It was probably provided because they are members of the British Royal Family and nobody wants any incident in New York.

[ACO]

Harry, Meghan and Chelsea Clinton

https://twitter.com/ETCanada/status/1441176557377122309

[Curryong]

This is a vital issue, and I’m so glad that Harry and Meghan recognise this and are eager to assist Global Citizen and others, to try and achieve it.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Curryong

I doubt very very much that the couple asked for that much security. It was probably provided because they are members of the British Royal Family and nobody wants any incident in New York.

Also, due to the high profile people the Sussexes were meeting with (who most likely have their own security also) and the expected visibility of the popular Sussexes deemed that security needed beefed up. Better safe than sorry.

I don't think it really is that they're BRF family members but that did play a part in it. Other factors figured in too.

[camelot23ca]

Originally Posted by sophie25

This is where we see the big mistake of the Queen allowing them to keep those titles. She didn't want them to be half in/half out, being royal only on their own terms but that is exactly what they are doing in NY. It wasn't Harry Windsor and Meghan Markle meeting these powerful people and being given a tour of places in the city, this was TRH The Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

I don’t think they’re being royal on their own terms. They’re being celebrities who happen to be royal. No matter what the couple may say now or in the future, this is very much not the half in/half out arrangement they initially demanded. They wanted to remain senior working royals but also to be given the free time (and funding) to do other things, likely the very celebrity lifestyle things we see them doing now. They did not envision themselves having to hustle to make it as full time celebrity do gooders in the US after being quickly and completely cut off from official royal life in the UK.

They also wouldn’t be appearing with high profile American politicians if the Royal Family or the UK government had any real opposition to them doing so. If the couple hadn’t so thoroughly burned their bridges in the UK, these sorts of appearances could have been potentially problematic. By being so public and so vicious in their repudiation of the BRF and what it represents, they broadcast their loss of official status loud and clear. I doubt the BRF cares if Harry and Meghan want to be Brangelina 2.0, as long as there’s no danger of them being treated as people who represent the Queen or her government.