The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 6: Aug. 2021- Oct. 2022

[ACO]

Originally Posted by soapstar

What’s confusing is that this contradicts the evidence that was submitted in court this week. The AN lawyers submitted texts that show Thomas didn’t completely cut off contact with Meghan. Since Knaufe was only getting information through Meghan, it’s possible he didn’t know that contact had still been going on.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...urt-hears.html

Meghan in her letter pointed out she helped him leading up to the wedding. Thomas also admitted Meghan was involved. He bragged about private fittings and such.

That is not what is in question. It is everything that happened from the moment those pictures were leaked. Per the various texts we have seen -- those initials days of the picture reveal was chaos. Meghan trying to talk to her dad. He was avoiding her and when he did finally pick up he lied about it all. They denied it based on his words. It was false and then the true chaos happened.

Thomas has ranted about this to Piers. In the first court hearing they revealed texts where Harry and Meghan told him that what he did didn't matter. Meghan begged him to still come. Harry offering to have his military friend personally escort him in town. Then he had a 'heart attack'. Then he stopped communicating with her. No way the royals weren't monitoring it all as this was DAYS before the globally aired wedding. I mean Knauf said she wasn't remembering how bad it truly was.


Thomas said he ignored their calls cause he was upset and embarrassed. He made a comment in one interview that he was angry that Harry and Meghan were mad at him and disliked their tone. That is when he described their last conversation was Meghan crying and then Harry getting on the phone and he "hung up". That seemed to be the last time they ever spoke per the texts we have seen.

After that Thomas has tried endless to contact her.

[Hallo girl]

Another thing we need to remind ourselves of is that the letter only came to public knowledge , as far as I am aware, when the 5 friends spoke to People Magazine. If that had not taken place we must question if Thomas Markle would have given the letter to the newspaper.
Would the 5 friends have approached the magazine without Meghans agreement, ?
I believe I am right in saying that she has claimed via her lawyer not to have been aware of their actions. She must have told them a certain amount of detail about the letter for them to comment .
I will make no further comment , just leave it at that.

[soapstar]

I think the bottom line is that both Meghan and Thomas seem to have trouble remembering. They have both been caught bending the truth and both are trying to put their spin on things, so it’s hard to know who is telling the truth. Unless there is a trial and all evidence comes out (which is not happening), the public won’t know what truly transpired in the run-up to the wedding.

[Hallo girl]

Originally Posted by soapstar

I think the bottom line is that both Meghan and Thomas seem to have trouble remembering. They both are trying to put their spin on things, so it’s hard to know who is telling the truth. Unless there is a trial and all evidence comes out (which is not happening), the public won’t know what truly transpired in the run-up to the wedding.

It might still go to a trial, if the appeal judges decide that the original judge should have sent the case to trial it could still happen. Even so the damage to their credibility is shot.

[Osipi]

Meghan's own words on the letter. “My thinking behind this is unlike a text or email it can't be forwarded or cut and pasted to only share one small portion. It also does not open the door for a conversation.”

Yet.... here we sit over three years later having a conversation about the times and the events and the lead up to and the follow up repercussions from said letter all centered around a lawsuit. Boy.... was she wrong eh?

[Alison H]

The whole situation with Thomas Markle was weird from the start. The fact that Harry didn't meet him, even when he and Meghan were engaged, was very strange. He should have been given some sort of help in dealing with the press attention - anyone would freak out if one minute they were leading a quiet life and the next minute they had photographers following them to the corner shop. But we kept being told that he'd be coming to the wedding and walking Meghan down the aisle, which gave the impression of a close relationship, and presumably that was what the rest of the Royal Family were led to believe as well. None of it makes much sense.

[rominet09]

Originally Posted by Alison H

The whole situation with Thomas Markle was weird from the start. The fact that Harry didn't meet him, even when he and Meghan were engaged, was very strange. He should have been given some sort of help in dealing with the press attention - anyone would freak out if one minute they were leading a quiet life and the next minute they had photographers following them to the corner shop. But we kept being told that he'd be coming to the wedding and walking Meghan down the aisle, which gave the impression of a close relationship, and presumably that was what the rest of the Royal Family were led to believe as well. None of it makes much sense.

Ithink you summarized the situation perfectly.
Mind you not even bring her fiancé to see her father, is incredible !

[Moran]

Originally Posted by ACO

Knauf in those texts was referring to the week of the wedding. He said "You don't remember how bad it actually was" talking about how much they were trying to fix the mess Thomas created. He had a 'heart attack' (and I am only doing as Knauf did) and stopped communicating with Meghan who was worried about him. According to Thomas his last chat with them as not nice. They were angry. "I hung up on Harry after Meghan handed him the phone." is what he told Piers Morgan, if I recall correctly. After that TMZ it was.

I meant the letter that was presented to the court but wasn't read aloud. I'm pretty sure I saw a screenshot of a royal reporter, perhaps Roya, mentioning that it was brought before court as a letter written to Thomas by Harry as Thomas was recovering after his heart attack. The consensus seems to have been that it was very strongly worded and would have naturally upset Thomas.

I think I've said it before but it bears repeating: is this ridiculous notion of the sweet but naive prince turned into his evil wife's puppet still alive? And if so, why? Harry isn't Meghan's victim and the last few days made it very clear.

[Curryong]

A piece from the Guardian, in which Meghan explains to a deeply sympathetic and supportive Knauf about her motives in writing that letter to her father. It seems that Harry was being berated by certain members of his family about Thomas Markle, who at that time was becoming vocal in the media following his heart attack.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...t-prince-harry

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by soapstar

I think the bottom line is that both Meghan and Thomas seem to have trouble remembering. They have both been caught bending the truth and both are trying to put their spin on things, so it’s hard to know who is telling the truth. Unless there is a trial and all evidence comes out (which is not happening), the public won’t know what truly transpired in the run-up to the wedding.

I think Meghan has lost a lot of credibility this week that she will never gain back. I think that’s going to have a very damaging result on their business relationships. However, I will be extremely surprised if ANL win this appeal

[Leopoldine]

A lot of this mess seems to stem from a rather admirable part of Meghan's personality. She seems to have a very clear vision of herself, what she wants to accomplish and how she wants to live. Her personal sartorial style, the elegant pared down look of her homes, all part of the vision.

It may be one thing to have distance from the Markles, but accomplishing those clear and specific life goals within the BRF framework and hierarchy was never going to be smooth sailing.

Meghan certainly is one of those self-propelled people with a vision, like Martha Stewart.

I just didn't like how she urged Mr. Knauf to remind the authors of her half-siblings' lack of education and custody issues. These two people, while very unsympathetic characters, are on the back foot already. Meghan should have taken the high road and let them be.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Curryong

A piece from the Guardian, in which Meghan explains to a deeply sympathetic and supportive Knauf about her motives in writing that letter to her father. It seems that Harry was being berated by certain members of his family about Thomas Markle, who at that time was becoming vocal in the media following his heart attack.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...t-prince-harry

Yet another example of Meghan coming to the rescue where the "big bad BRF" is the nemesis and she's the champion on the white horse to the rescue. Even then, before she'd been a member of the royal family for 6 months (the letter actually was written in August *after* the wedding), she was taking charge of things *her* way and getting people to sympathize with her and agree with her.

Makes me wonder if this was a crucial point where Meghan influences Harry against his family and their "controlling ways" that led to the eventual Megxit a year and a half later?

[JessRulz]

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[iceflower]

The Duchess of Sussex was interviewed by Ellen Degeneres for The Ellen Show that will be shown tomorrow:


** video ** dm article: Now Meghan makes surprise appearance on Ellen in second sit down..**

[muriel]

Originally Posted by iceflower

The Duchess of Sussex was interviewed by Ellen Degeneres for The Ellen Show that will be shown tomorrow:


** video ** dm article: Now Meghan makes surprise appearance on Ellen in second sit down..**

I cannot help but query if this appearance might be timed to take the attention of the negative publicity from the recent revelations in court filings.

[Fem]

Originally Posted by muriel

I cannot help but query if this appearance might be timed to take the attention of the negative publicity from the recent revelations in court filings.

I think it's a good guess. Something positive after the small mishap *ekhem* perjury *ekhem* in court for people to talk about, when she will try to paint a picture of a "normal, grounded, hard-working person". Ellen will be even softer on her than Oprah, I doubt we will hear anything worthwile.

I wonder if we will hear how happy she is now that she's home again

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by Fem

I think it's a good guess. Something positive after the small mishap *ekhem* perjury *ekhem* in court for people to talk about, when she will try to paint a picture of a "normal, grounded, hard-working person". Ellen will be even softer on her than Oprah, I doubt we will hear anything worthwile.

I wonder if we will hear how happy she is now that she's home again

I agree that this will likely be a lighthearted chat and will not touch on anything revealed last March or their current legal issues.

[Leopoldine]

I saw a clip from the show. In it, she speaks of her early acting days, when she would go to auditions in a beat-up car. She comes across as very bouyant and relatable. Totally different attitude from the Oprah interview.

[Granada]

One thing that bothered me ( as a Woman) with Meghan bringing up a few times the stresses involved while She was pregnant and then her miscarriage, is that I NEVER understood why She did that interview with Oprah while pregnant. What WAS so urgent ? Would a few months have mattered? Especially, after Meghan claims She was actually suicidal during her first pregnancy. And as as we know now, while the Oprah interview was being filmed.......Prince Philip was dying, the World itself knew, he was 99 and ill.
I mean there was already lots going on in her World.

She had already suffered a miscarriage, and was two months from turning 40, as Lili was born in June, and Meghan's birthday is August. That in and of itself is a higher risk pregnancy.
She knew, as Harry did the grenades and bombshell attacks they would be throwing at the Royal Family. No stone left unturned, no damaging allegations "to out there" to not be mentioned. They knew there would be certain blowback.

Why then ? I went thru a trying pregnancy. I DID everything possible to keep a stress free and calm environment for myself and my baby.
That's What my focus was on.
Not creating UNNECESSARY drama.That's not a healthy or productive environment.
That's what I find so baffling.

I think it will be interesting to see her with Ellen. I predict a total charm offensive. Kinder and gentler with zero attacks on ANYONE in the Family.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Granada

One thing that bothered me ( as a Woman) with Meghan bringing up a few times the stresses involved while She was pregnant and then her miscarriage, is that I NEVER understood why She did that interview with Oprah while pregnant. What WAS so urgent ? Would a few months have mattered? Especially, after Meghan claims She was actually suicidal during her first pregnancy. And as as we know now......Prince Philip was dying, the World itself knew he was 99 and ill.
I mean there was already lots going on in her World.

She had already suffered a miscarriage, and was two months from turning 40, as Lili was born in June, and Meghan's birthday is August. That in and of itself is a higher risk pregnancy.
She knew, as Harry did the grenades and bombshell attacks they would be throwing at the Royal Family. No stone left unturned, no damaging allegations "to out there" to not be mentioned. They knew there would be certain blowback.

Why then ? I went thru a trying pregnancy. I did everything possible to keep a stress free and calm environment for myself and my baby.
That's What my focus was on.

As is becoming increasingly clear with time, she is blessed with many attributes (hardworking, a self-starter, good looking), but perhaps good judgement is not one of them.