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Old 04-24-2021, 10:39 PM
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Like a majority of Americans, Meghan can’t tell the difference between celebrity and Royalty. It’s been pointed out be many royal commentators, so I’m sure that she’s aware of the difference. However her subconscious is not allowing her to accept it. That’s why she (and I concentrating just on her because I think Harry’s just an empty vessel) was shocked and stunned when greater ratings did not equal to a higher place in the pecking order.
I think this is likely true. Meghan, as a child, persuaded a huge company to change some of their commercials, so perhaps she’s had a sense ever since that she could affect change through her own efforts. If so, it is admirable - most people, including me, sit back and do little. Unfortunately for her, she’s up against a 1000 year old institution - it knows how to survive. Change is possible - we’ve seen Primogeniture go by the wayside - M seemed to actively dislike the Institution.
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Old 04-24-2021, 10:50 PM
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I am positive his sentiments are genuine. I just question what he can concretely do for anyone or any cause from the position he is in now. He can’t donate money He can’t jet around and meet with activists and heads of environmental concerns. Heart and soul if very but you need to be able to produce results. A senior prince can do this .

That's why he is looking for a sponsor, I am sure his meeting with that benefactress had something to do with this.
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Old 04-25-2021, 02:34 AM
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IMHO, that is it in a nutshell!!!
But those aren't really legit complaints. They can't expect to be treated the same as Will and K because Will is a future King....and they can't do "just as they like" because no-one can...Will and Kate don't get to do "just as they like". Neither does anyone in the RF...
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Old 04-25-2021, 03:25 AM
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Neither does anyone else, for that matter. How many people just get to do as they like at work? Even if you're the boss, you're constrained by what customers want.
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Old 04-25-2021, 03:47 AM
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Neither does anyone else, for that matter. How many people just get to do as they like at work? Even if you're the boss, you're constrained by what customers want.
Exactly.. Admittedly the richer you are the better chances you have. But Will and K might like a more private life with no royal duties. But they can't have that. Harry and Meghan seem to have wanted to do whatever duties they wanted to do, to speak about politics if they took the fancy, to live abroad a lot of the time. You can't be a senior royal and do that. but I DID get the feeling that whatever compromises were offered in the year or 2 of their royal life.. if the queen did make suggestions for them to have some time off etc, if it wasn't what THEY wanted, i.e. living abroad, making money, doing interviews as they chose, speaking about politics if they chose, they weren't going to agree with the compromises.
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Old 04-25-2021, 04:05 AM
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Oh brother, if this is true...sigh. Hypocrisy, thy name is Sussex. Let me guess, there will be an update on the interview, subsequent “unproductive” talks, funeral and “summit” talks? I can see it now - flower-gate in all the gory details, and an expose on Harry’s “private” conversations with Charles, William and Kate, designed to let everyone know how hard H had tried, but everyone was so mean to him (including the rest of BRF at funeral)





https://twitter.com/angelalevin1/sta...577393665?s=21[/QUOTE]

Edit: yep, it’s true, and I was right. Good grief...

*Senior Royal sources weren’t there, so they shouldn’t be dismissing this “summit” between C, W, H and Kate, which I believe did happen.


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Finding Freedom, a flattering biography of Harry and Meghan, giving their account of their departure from royal life via friends and Sussex sources, is being updated with new chapters. They will cover their interview with Oprah Winfrey, allegations against Meghan over the bullying of royal staff, which she denies, and Prince Philip’s death.

The updated edition is also expected to take in their new life in America, their multimillion-pound deals with Netflix and Spotify and the Queen’s decision to strip them of all royal patronages earlier this year. Harry is understood to remain devastated by the loss of his military roles.

The book will be reissued on August 5 and is likely to exacerbate tensions between the Sussexes and the rest of the royal family, particularly between Harry and William. A senior courtier said: “The Oprah interview detonated a bomb under the royal family and most of them are still reeling in shock. The book will not help.” Another senior royal source said: “After Oprah, what else is there to say?”

Despite Harry’s brief reunion with the royal family last weekend for Prince Philip’s funeral, relations remain at a low ebb. William and Harry did not walk next to each other in the procession, though the brothers were seen talking as they walked back to Windsor Castle after the service. Senior royal sources have dismissed suggestions of a separate meeting between Harry, William and Charles, who retreated to Wales after the funeral without seeing his son again. Harry returned to America last Tuesday, before the Queen’s birthday on Wednesday.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...date-whwjv5g32
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Old 04-25-2021, 04:13 AM
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The more I read all these stories with regards Finding Freedom, the friends speaking about e mail trails and evidence, it becomes more and more like a form of extortion.
They are letting the family know publicly that they have more to say , give us what we want or else there is more to come. Which is strange because they wanted out, they are out but continually want linked to the family, wreathgate a prime example of that.
I am not sure if they are doing themselves any favours with this plan, I don't think they are looking particularly professional with this behaviour. If anything they are looking childish.


As for the pecking order within the family, this was not new to Harry he knows how it works and being successful at the ' job ' does not jump you up the ladder.

He was a senior member of the family , yes only sixth in line but three young children between him and William, so a very important role to play.

Did Princess Anne and another example the Duke of Gloucester, who were both very near the throne a number of years ago, go on to the television and moan about going down the line of succession as more children were born.
No they got on with the job.
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Old 04-25-2021, 04:25 AM
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Did Princess Anne and another example the Duke of Gloucester, who were both very near the throne a number of years ago, go on to the television and moan about going down the line of succession as more children were born.
No they got on with the job.
that's why i could imagine P.Anne is particularly 'not amused' by Harry.. not only because she is all about duty and 'never complain never explain', but also what Harry is basically doing is making clear that *her* role in life is not good enough for *him*..

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Old 04-25-2021, 04:29 AM
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Oh brother, if this is true...sigh. Hypocrisy, thy name is Sussex. Let me guess, there will be an update on the interview, subsequent “unproductive” talks, funeral and “summit” talks? I can see it now - flower-gate in all the gory details, and an expose on Harry’s “private” conversations with Charles, William and Kate, designed to let everyone know how hard H had tried, but everyone was so mean to him (including the rest of BRF at funeral)





https://twitter.com/angelalevin1/sta...577393665?s=21

Edit: yep, it’s true, and I was right. Good grief...

*Senior Royal sources weren’t there, so they shouldn’t be dismissing this “summit” between C, W, H and Kate, which I believe did happen.




https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...date-whwjv5g32
This is the reason why I think the BRF really should cut off H&M completely. If they did just that, H&M would eventually ran out of things to talk about in the media regarding the royals.
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Old 04-25-2021, 04:40 AM
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I know you didn’t ask me, but as an American, I can help a little.

Oprah is not a serious journalist. Never has been. She is a highly successful self made talk show host. Who I had a lot more respect for prior to her going off about “your truth” and this interview which was full of lies and misleading statements. (I really liked it when Meghan made it sound like she was practically a prisoner. She sure got around a lot in a short period for a trapped person....)

Had this interview been done by an actual journalist, this would have been very different because they’re held to higher standards. I believe CBS (?) said as much in the aftermath when their lies started trickling out.
Thank you.
Well, she obviously isn't a serious journalist , I did not google if she ever had been at university but guess she is a social climber in this matter, not to be blamed for.
I still wonder if there is a general lack of discussion about her "qualities" or if she simply blocks all criticism.
But there are more important issues if course

FYI
African Parks and the man behind it, are a highly controversial thing, being watched with a healthy load of superstition by professionals in this sector.

https://www.cabi.org/leisuretourism/news/14769
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Old 04-25-2021, 04:54 AM
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The more I read all these stories with regards Finding Freedom, the friends speaking about e mail trails and evidence, it becomes more and more like a form of extortion.
They are letting the family know publicly that they have more to say , give us what we want or else there is more to come. Which is strange because they wanted out, they are out but continually want linked to the family, wreathgate a prime example of that.
I am not sure if they are doing themselves any favours with this plan, I don't think they are looking particularly professional with this behaviour. If anything they are looking childish.


As for the pecking order within the family, this was not new to Harry he knows how it works and being successful at the ' job ' does not jump you up the ladder.

He was a senior member of the family , yes only sixth in line but three young children between him and William, so a very important role to play.

Did Princess Anne and another example the Duke of Gloucester, who were both very near the throne a number of years ago, go on to the television and moan about going down the line of succession as more children were born.
No they got on with the job.
They do seem to be holding threats over the family.

But how is this going to work? "The family were so trapped and toxic and miserable that we had to leave!"

But we want all the perks and for them to pay out security and come back for royal events and want titles for our children even though Harry can't stop talking about his miserable childhood and it's even more ridiculous now the kids will be raised as Americans!"

They will just end up sounding even more ridiculous and incongruent and even if you dress it up in security concerns. It becomes obvious that that's not the case. They chose to leave and start a new life but can't stop talking about the BRF. It's the goose that lays their golden egg. Quitting any job doesn't work like that, even family businesses. And it just makes me think they're still the farthest thing from happy and at peace with their decision.

No one else publicly moans about it. They just get on with it and gripe privately if it frustrates them. They take the good parts and deal with the bad. Princess Anne is now getting recognised as a very hard worker and lives her private and family life as she pleases.

But the more they threaten and spill details the less the family are going to trust them and want to find a viable solution for the issue. No one likes being threatened or potentially blackmailed into giving money/position/perks and there's no guarantee it would stop if they did.

"Harry and Meghan come to Trooping and do a few engagements with their private patronages!" Watch Oprah and see how they feel about it all, their private chats with HM their biggest supporter, the cold shoulder from Kate, chilliness from Charles and how the Cambridge Kids are being raised compared to Archie and Artemis!"
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Old 04-25-2021, 05:07 AM
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The more I read all these stories with regards Finding Freedom, the friends speaking about e mail trails and evidence, it becomes more and more like a form of extortion.
They are letting the family know publicly that they have more to say , give us what we want or else there is more to come. Which is strange because they wanted out, they are out but continually want linked to the family, wreathgate a prime example of that.
I am not sure if they are doing themselves any favours with this plan, I don't think they are looking particularly professional with this behaviour. If anything they are looking childish.


As for the pecking order within the family, this was not new to Harry he knows how it works and being successful at the ' job ' does not jump you up the ladder.

He was a senior member of the family , yes only sixth in line but three young children between him and William, so a very important role to play.

Did Princess Anne and another example the Duke of Gloucester, who were both very near the throne a number of years ago, go on to the television and moan about going down the line of succession as more children were born.
No they got on with the job.
I believed at the time, and still do, that FF actually made H and M look bad; this sounds like it will be worse, because most decent people are going to think poorly about them spilling the beans about the funeral of a very loved and respected Philip. The BRF is always going to grieve the loss of this man, and now H and M are going to exploit that grief, and I find that disgusting.

I am concerned about the racial accusations - this updated edition will likely give details- and even though I seriously doubt that IF a comment were made, that it was truly racist, people ARE going to believe it. The Oprah interview did what is called priming the pump...it’s set the stage for more to come. More details about the lack of support while M felt suicidal...

Ultimately, this might be the nail in the coffin for H and his relationships with his “family”. I can not see them forgiving this. I feel so sorry for Charles, who probably is going to be most attacked.

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This is the reason why I think the BRF really should cut off H&M completely. If they did just that, H&M would eventually ran out of things to talk about in the media regarding the royals.
I think they might have to now.....this is a terrible blow to Charles and William
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Old 04-25-2021, 05:40 AM
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I think they might have to now.....this is a terrible blow to Charles and William
What will happen in July for the unveiling of the statue.
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Old 04-25-2021, 05:47 AM
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What will happen in July for the unveiling of the statue.
Will and Harry will probably meet, they'll exchange polite conversatin and unveil the statue. I just dont think that William will ever trust his brother for a LONG LONG time with anyting deep or meaningful.. It will be superficial talk about the family....
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Old 04-25-2021, 05:47 AM
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I said in an earlier post that all this makes Meghan and Harry childish and non professional, I also wonder how potential business associates will perceive a couple that will reveal private conversations for publicity and pay back.
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Old 04-25-2021, 05:48 AM
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Oh brother, if this is true...sigh. Hypocrisy, thy name is Sussex. Let me guess, there will be an update on the interview, subsequent “unproductive” talks, funeral and “summit” talks? I can see it now - flower-gate in all the gory details, and an expose on Harry’s “private” conversations with Charles, William and Kate, designed to let everyone know how hard H had tried, but everyone was so mean to him (including the rest of BRF at funeral)





https://twitter.com/angelalevin1/sta...577393665?s=21

Edit: yep, it’s true, and I was right. Good grief...

*Senior Royal sources weren’t there, so they shouldn’t be dismissing this “summit” between C, W, H and Kate, which I believe did happen.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...date-whwjv5g32

I'm actually very surprised that Omid Scobie and Caroline Durand decided to go down that route.

Is Omid Scobie that naive or just out of touch to not realise that Finding Freedom made Harry & Meghan look bad? Or completely oblivious that the Oprah interview deteriorated the Sussex's popularity in Britain? Or is he gravitating towards US audience (more specifically Celebrity & Hollywood) rather the UK?

To suggest that the new chapters of Finding Freedom would open up cans of worms is an understatement. In my honest opinion, this new addition will make Harry & Meghan appear more resentful (or even childish and self-centred), who continues to hold grudges and disparage The Royal Family (accusing them of toxic, male, frail, pale and stale). It certainly is not doing the Sussexes any favour if they actually want to move on from their past, not just as working royals, but also their mistakes and low-point.
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Old 04-25-2021, 05:49 AM
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Thank you.
Well, she obviously isn't a serious journalist , I did not google if she ever had been at university but guess she is a social climber in this matter, not to be blamed for.
I still wonder if there is a general lack of discussion about her "qualities" or if she simply blocks all criticism.
But there are more important issues if course
I can't imageine anyone would take her for a serious journalist.. she's a talk show host.. and her "scoops" are getting famous people to talk to her and possibly about personal issues. She didn't challenge the pair at all just agreed iwht them that all their experinces in the RF were terrible, racist etc etc.. and did not even try to clarify the context of what they said, tho much of it was pretty muddled.
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Old 04-25-2021, 06:01 AM
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I said in an earlier post that all this makes Meghan and Harry childish and non professional, I also wonder how potential business associates will perceive a couple that will reveal private conversations for publicity and pay back.
The name of the game is instant gratification. They want to gorge on the gooey frosting of fame but they're forgetting for it to endure, they have to first bake a cake in layers in order for it to feed them for the rest of their lives. It's all about "right now" with them and they have no thought of what this will do to their image and their "brand".

I'm sure that the word going out about new chapters of the book will have reached the ears of Harry's family and that'll not only have them shut them out but lock the doors. Oh they'll put on a good "game face" for the unveiling of the Diana statue but I'm going to predict that it'll just be Harry there as Meghan will remain home with the newborn and that'll be reason for Harry to do a quick in and out.
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I'm actually very surprised that Omid Scobie and Caroline Durand decided to go down that route.

Is Omid Scobie that naive or just out of touch to not realise that Finding Freedom made Harry & Meghan look bad? Or completely oblivious that the Oprah interview deteriorated the Sussex's popularity in Britain? Or is he gravitating towards US audience (more specifically Celebrity & Hollywood) rather the UK?

To suggest that the new chapters of Finding Freedom would open up cans of worms is an understatement. In my honest opinion, this new addition will make Harry & Meghan appear more resentful (or even childish and self-centred), who continues to hold grudges and disparage The Royal Family (accusing them of toxic, male, frail, pale and stale). It certainly is not doing the Sussexes any favour if they actually want to move on from their past, not just as working royals, but also their mistakes and low-point.
To be far not everyone takes the view that ff made then look bad. And for scobie it is about money. The book will sell more copies
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Omid updating his little book was expected. It came out as all the real drama went down. It really has little to do with H&M, but more his publisher wanting to capitalize on the current saga.

It reminds me of many of the books written about Harry suddenly being updated with chapters about Meghan. Or any of the royals with a major new moment in their lives.

This one will just grab more headlines.
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