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Old 04-23-2021, 10:21 AM
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There are several explanations for the royal family suggesting that Meghan continue to work. They may have thought she wanted to continue her career or it may have arisen when there were questions about her accepting inappropriate gifts. Either way, it is hardly an insult.

I know I have said this before, but I think the interview was scheduled after it was decided that the royal family would not accept a half-in/half-out compromise and Harry lost his military appointments (I think Meghan hinted at that when she mentioned that so much was lost). I also agree with someone upthread who posited that they wanted the interview to air before Philip past away. Only the most dedicated Harry and Meghan fans would support them if they had attacked the family now.

I fully believe that Harry wanted to continue to serve the Queen and his country in some capacity and the military appointments meant a lot to him. But the interview only reaffirmed the decision not to allow Harry and Meghan to continue in some capacity. The purpose of the interview was not to get the royal family listen to them, the purpose was revenge and to hurt his family's standing with the public.

The interview did some damage in the U.S., at least temporarily. It's also given some fodder to republicans in the UK. We'll see if Charles's approval rating goes back up (I suspect it will), but catering to the U.S. media is not a good strategy in the long run The U.S. media does not care about Harry and Meghan, this is about ratings and pushing a specific narrative at this time. The media will just as easily turn on Harry and Meghan if it means higher ratings or they decide they need Charles and William's good will.
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Old 04-23-2021, 10:43 AM
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But Euge and Beatrice are not half in and half out. They do some charity work but it is not on behalf of the queen, it is something they undertake as private members of the RF..

And yes they have ordinary jobs, they are not going places and doing deals with companies as Princesses..

Harry and Meghan were "IN", at first. They got their money from C and the Sov Grant. They got work that was allocated to them as reps for the queen.. and they were meant to be full time at the job.

But I'm sure if they'd said "we want some private time, like Will and K had, for a few years", the queen would have been OK iwht that, and they could have taken up some other work.. or no work at all but there would have been restrictions on what they did.. Naked profiteering would be frowned on. But if they wanted a quiet life, with Harry continuing with his Invictus and service charities and him and Meg having their family, I think the queen would have been Ok with that for 2 or 3 years.


I know that Eugenie and Beatrice are not HIFO. I’m just saying their job types IMO would work for that kind of scenario. That’s all. I’m thinking of reasons why the Sussexes desires were untenable and what types of jobs MIGHT work in the future for William’s kids, should that be desired.

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Precisely. Any truly good PR firm knows the value of not being so obvious so I'm truly baffled why Sunshine Sachs is making the big money. Good PR firms know that making something look unintentional, uncalculated, and coincidental is important for the long run. If everyone can see through the facade and even comes to expect the "leaks" on certain days and in a certain pattern, it definitely loses some of it's value. At this point it's entirely predictable and even expected that Harry and Meghan and family will be pictured or release "news" any time there's a birthday, anniversary, or important event for that big, bad, mean bunch of Brits across the pond. Another poster earlier on said it well...once or twice is simply coincidence or bad timing. At this point, it's a fully expected pattern.


It looks intentional to me. As you said, it’s turned into a pattern of behavior. This one involving children....which I just shake my head on.

It’s awfully hard for me to buy into the idea that the first time Archie is seen in public in what... a year? A very long time anyway ....coincides with Louis birthday pic. Really. It is incredibly obvious. I mean....what are the odds of that.

All I can conclude is their PR firm is doing exactly what the Sussexes want. Which is being very obvious, petty, and frankly childish. I mean....how old are they again? This just strikes me as so pathetic. And certainly demonstrates how angry they still are IMO. That interview sure didn’t seem to bring about any kind of closure if this is the result.

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Ithink it was a set up. Page Six has not been issued with a takedown notice or Scobie/Gayle/Janina complaining about it yet. On the contrary. The agency credited is one that is well known for setting up and distributing photos celebrities want out there. There have been reports of the Sussexes being seen in and around Montecito for weeks but not even any phone snaps, and then... it was literally released minutes before they knew the print deadline for Louis's picture was.



The Sussexes are currently running into the problem of they've issued so many denials and lawsuits against the media that when they *don't* immediately do that people think it's true or that they're the ones leaking it. Which is what BP were telling them all along.


This is the thing right here. This is why you don’t comment and/or correct every single thing that upsets you or is wrong. It stands out when you don’t.

If they were really upset about their child’s picture being taken- they’d have said so by now IMO. So... I can only conclude, as of right now, that they have no problem with it and highly likely planned it.
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What I don't get is that starting with their manifesto in January, 2020, one statement they made then and it's been reiterated, I believe, since but I can't place it. The Sussexes stated that they would remain "upholding the values of the Queen". From where I sit, it looks like they've done everything *but* uphold the values of the Queen.

I will bet my last banana here that Sunshine Sachs has no clue what the values of the Queen are, don't care what the values of the Queen are and will focus on their clients, Harry and Meghan as they're pseudo "king and queen" as they pay them the big bucks. They seem to excel in the "silly reindeer games" department.

I'm wondering just how much of all this would have happened if, way back when, Harry and Meghan were allowed to have their own "court" when they split from the joint offices with the Cambridges at Kensington Palace and the Royal Foundation. Something tells me that their "court" would have done their very best to give the Sussexes equal billing and attention as the Cambridges or perhaps, even more.

All this is really just reflective on who Harry and Meghan really are and what I see, I don't like very much at all.
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Old 04-23-2021, 11:26 AM
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What I don't get is that starting with their manifesto in January, 2020, one statement they made then and it's been reiterated, I believe, since but I can't place it. The Sussexes stated that they would remain "upholding the values of the Queen". From where I sit, it looks like they've done everything *but* uphold the values of the Queen.

I will bet my last banana here that Sunshine Sachs has no clue what the values of the Queen are, don't care what the values of the Queen are and will focus on their clients, Harry and Meghan as they're pseudo "king and queen" as they pay them the big bucks. They seem to excel in the "silly reindeer games" department.

I'm wondering just how much of all this would have happened if, way back when, Harry and Meghan were allowed to have their own "court" when they split from the joint offices with the Cambridges at Kensington Palace and the Royal Foundation. Something tells me that their "court" would have done their very best to give the Sussexes equal billing and attention as the Cambridges or perhaps, even more.

All this is really just reflective on who Harry and Meghan really are and what I see, I don't like very much at all.

Me neither, although people are usually neither all good or all bad. These two are making very poor choices, but they have the social, financial and political capital to do a lot of good in the world. Too bad they are wasting it.
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Old 04-23-2021, 11:30 AM
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Silly is a good word for what seems to be their current narrative. There does seem to be a rather obvious effort to suddenly make clear: Meghan was very close to Philip- THE closest person to her IIRC. Now, she’s very close to the Queen. It’s like....the interview never happened. Yeah....okay. William/Charles- not good. Well- they’d better enjoy this while they can. If HM is all they have....that is going to be, well, limited.

Petty is another word that comes to mind. (IDK if that photo of Meghan and Archie yesterday was coincidental or not....but what a coincidence is all I can say if indeed it was. If it was calculated, I just want to roll my eyes at how utterly childish this all is.)

I think there were- and are- possibilities for HIHO to work very very well. It might truly be something for Charlotte and Louis. But- when your “work” is making money off your royal brand...that won’t work IMO. It needs to be something more like William’s earlier job. What Beatrice and Eugenie do would work IMO. They just couldn’t make money off their brand...which is what they wanted and, best I can tell, all they’re doing now.
Unless H&M are banking on the possibility of the British Monarchy being abolished after the death of the Queen.
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Old 04-23-2021, 11:35 AM
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I’ll just say that the two things Meghan accused the BRF of, racism and refusing her help when she was suicidal, are two of the most significant issues of the day...not coincidental. She could be reasonably certain that she could make these accusations without most people digging into “her truth” and asking questions. I’m not saying she didn’t have mental health issues, my comments are strictly regarding her accusations.
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Old 04-23-2021, 11:36 AM
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Unless H&M are banking on the possibility of the British Monarchy being abolished after the death of the Queen.
I don't think so. They're so hung up on the issue of the HRH Prince/Princess titles for their children and if the monarchy was abolished those titles wouldn't exist and would be null and void. I think they're just incredibly short sighted and seem for be forgetting that HM is now 95, has just lost her partner of 70+ years, and is human just like the rest of us so can't live forever.
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Old 04-23-2021, 11:44 AM
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I’ll just say that the two things Meghan accused the BRF of, racism and refusing her help when she was suicidal, are two of the most significant issues of the day...not coincidental. She could be reasonably certain that she could make these accusations without most people digging into “her truth” and asking questions. I’m not saying she didn’t have mental health issues, my comments are strictly regarding her accusations.
Unfortunately, many people these days seem to accept everything at face value, which is very ironic considering we are living in the information age.
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Old 04-23-2021, 11:47 AM
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I don't think so. They're so hung up on the issue of the HRH Prince/Princess titles for their children and if the monarchy was abolished those titles wouldn't exist and would be null and void. I think they're just incredibly short sighted and seem for be forgetting that HM is now 95, has just lost her partner of 70+ years, and is human just like the rest of us so can't live forever.


Exactly. They’re probably just short- sighted on this issue. And, really, they seem short sighted period. Long term planning doesn’t come across as one of their assets IMO. So, it figures they would be in how they’re using their royal connections now.

They may have thrown the institution under the bus in their interview- but it’s quite clear to me they need and want a connection with it. All the reasons you just stated are one. But I also remember those passive aggressive statements last year about Sussex Royal, not using royal in general for business purposes. They were NOT happy. They totally blew their down to earth image to pieces with all that IMO.
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Silly is a good word for what seems to be their current narrative. There does seem to be a rather obvious effort to suddenly make clear: Meghan was very close to Philip- THE closest person to her IIRC. Now, she’s very close to the Queen. It’s like....the interview never happened. Yeah....okay. William/Charles- not good. Well- they’d better enjoy this while they can. If HM is all they have....that is going to be, well, limited.

Petty is another word that comes to mind. (IDK if that photo of Meghan and Archie yesterday was coincidental or not....but what a coincidence is all I can say if indeed it was. If it was calculated, I just want to roll my eyes at how utterly childish this all is.)

I think there were- and are- possibilities for HIHO to work very very well. It might truly be something for Charlotte and Louis. But- when your “work” is making money off your royal brand...that won’t work IMO. It needs to be something more like William’s earlier job. What Beatrice and Eugenie do would work IMO. They just couldn’t make money off their brand...which is what they wanted and, best I can tell, all they’re doing now.
As to this game they’re playing about being close to HM/Philip, it’s probably just for their supporters. That’s who they do most of this for because their stans are very active and, yes, hostile. Their stans will do what they do, and do it worse than you think they could.

Trying to out-Royal the Royals is so stupid, so petty. I refuse to okay their games; I did run into the photo on Twitter, but I just glanced at it - my focus was on Louis when his photo was released.

There’s an old saying, “the medium is the message” - I feel like this applies to H and M, with a twist. I feel that, whatever messages they are trying to convey with photos posted to “coincidentally” match Royal postings, or in trying to express caring by leaking info about flowers, etc..., those messages don’t mean nearly as much as the fact that they are putting out that info in the first place; that the actual messages themselves get lost in the hue and cry over the pettiness/stupidity/ego-driven timing of those messages.

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This is a really great point about timing if they were concerned that the “Meghan bullied staff” info might come out first.

The mental health stuff: I’ve said this way back but to add my 2 cents yet again. As a counselor I’ve done many suicide and other assessments. The bottom line is “are you a danger to yourself or others?” Any doctor would have taken that very seriously, gotten her an immediate assessment, and if the mental health professional believed she was at risk, she would have been hospitalized. The RF could easily spin why she wasn’t making appearances.

With the therapy that Harry has had, with his work in mental health with William, it is unfathomable that he didn’t know what to do. As others have said OB’s are very in tuned with mental health issues due to the numbers of women who have postpartum depression. I am not at all questioning that she was depressed and suicidal. But I do not believe Harry didn’t know what to do nor have resources. Instead of going to wherever they went that night, Harry should have called her doctor. They framed it as “brave Meghan, soldiering on when she was suicidal.” Why on earth didn’t they stay home and call her (or Harry’s) doctor? Honestly, any other response makes me question their truthfulness as well as their common sense.
It sounds like they are weaponizing suicide. If M did indeed feel that way, ok, but she brought it up with Oprah as she calculated that would do immense damage....and it did.

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Scobie in his Harper's article made it absolutely clear that contrary to other reports Harry "had not written a heartfelt letter to his father" before the funeral. He didn't say Harry "couldn't" or Charles sent it back, just that Harry didn't. That was a line of communication that was open but they made it clear that he didn't use it and Scobie also made it clear that Harry didn't have any sort of reconciliation with his father or brother despite some cautious optimism "but there's a long way to go" from other sources.

He did however assure everyone that Harry met the Queen alone twice and Meghan and Archie talk with her all the time.

There are lines of communication that are open but the only ones the Sussexes are apparently interested in pursuing and then immediately publicising (and making it harder for HM to talk about anything that actually matters) is The Queen.

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Yes, and I find this troubling. Great, I’m glad he saw his grandmother, but he could have made time for his father..and didn’t, turned him down, in fact. I don’t think H has any interest in reconciliation - at least with Charles - and none will be possible as long as he remains convinced that he did nothing wrong both before and after the interview.

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What I don't get is that starting with their manifesto in January, 2020, one statement they made then and it's been reiterated, I believe, since but I can't place it. The Sussexes stated that they would remain "upholding the values of the Queen". From where I sit, it looks like they've done everything *but* uphold the values of the Queen.

I will bet my last banana here that Sunshine Sachs has no clue what the values of the Queen are, don't care what the values of the Queen are and will focus on their clients, Harry and Meghan as they're pseudo "king and queen" as they pay them the big bucks. They seem to excel in the "silly reindeer games" department.

I'm wondering just how much of all this would have happened if, way back when, Harry and Meghan were allowed to have their own "court" when they split from the joint offices with the Cambridges at Kensington Palace and the Royal Foundation. Something tells me that their "court" would have done their very best to give the Sussexes equal billing and attention as the Cambridges or perhaps, even more.

All this is really just reflective on who Harry and Meghan really are and what I see, I don't like very much at all.
I don’t blame Sunshine for that - you don’t stay in business very long by making a habit of ignoring your bosses.

I knew it at the time anyway, but HM and Charles refusing to allow Harry and Meghan to set up their own “court” was the right decision; H and M are in it for themselves, they don’t know the meaning of teamwork. I agree with you - in fact, I think that “court” would have been something along the lines of what the Duke of Windsor was trying to do after his brother succeeded him. The Duke wanted to be a shadow king, he needed the glory and attention that came with being King....(though he never wanted to do the work being King entailed). Harry and Meghan couldn’t and still can’t stand to be relegated to essentially doing what Philip did for so long, staying a step behind and supporting his father/brother.

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Unfortunately, many people these days seem to accept everything at face value, which is very ironic considering we are living in the information age.
Accusations stick, even when they’re false....especially when they’re false (if they’re true, anything that follows the accusations sticks).
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Yes, and I find this troubling. Great, I’m glad he saw his grandmother, but he could have made time for his father..and didn’t, turned him down, in fact. I don’t think H has any interest in reconciliation - at least with Charles - and none will be possible as long as he remains convinced that he did nothing wrong both before and after the interview.


Well, if you take the POV that Louis and Archie’s pictures being released on the same day and around the same time was likely intentional on the Sussexes part....I’m not sure he has much desire to reconcile with William either. It’s not a big thing really, it isn’t. But- it’s not behavior that suggests: I want to work things out and am doing my part. It just doesn’t.

Honestly, how often do we ever see Louis and Archie? Louis, of course, having a picture released for his birthday is expected.
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Well, if you take the POV that Louis and Archie’s pictures being released on the same day and around the same time was likely intentional on the Sussexes part....I’m not sure he has much desire to reconcile with William either. It’s not a big thing really, it isn’t, but it’s not something I see as going over well with William. (And he’ll surely be aware IMO.) And it’s not behavior that suggests: I want to work things out and am doing my part. It just doesn’t.

Honestly, how often do we ever see Louis and Archie? Louis, of course, having a picture released for his birthday is expected.
Right, especially since Meghan brought poor Kate into this mess, dragged her under the bus..

H could have stayed an extra day or two. Originally I wasn’t bothered by him leaving when he did because I was pleasantly surprised he stayed the extra day. Now that I know he refused to make time for Charles because he HAD to get home to Meghan...it bothers me, a great deal. It just strikes me as excessive, his desperately missing her so much that he couldn’t bear one or two more days without her, even to see his father.
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H could have stayed an extra day or two. Originally I wasn’t bothered by him leaving when he did because I was pleasantly surprised he stayed the extra day. Now that I know he refused to make time for Charles because he HAD to get home to Meghan...it bothers me, a great deal. It just strikes me as excessive, his desperately missing her so much that he couldn’t bear one or two more days without her, even to see his father.
But apparently he couldn't have stayed the extra day or two because there was a wealthy philanthropist on the calendar for a lunch date on HM's birthday. And we know that nothing is more important than money with these two...
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But apparently he couldn't have stayed the extra day or two because there was a wealthy philanthropist on the calendar for a lunch date on HM's birthday. And we know that nothing is more important than money with these two...
I didn’t know that. I don’t think missing the Queen’s birthday is a huge deal if Harry saw her twice - Charles didn’t see her at all (I guess he’s still in Wales), for instance, nor William. Skipping out on his father to meet with a philanthropist (naturally wealthy) seems a very Harry thing to do.
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I didn’t know that. I don’t think missing the Queen’s birthday is a huge deal if Harry saw her twice - Charles didn’t see her at all (I guess he’s still in Wales), for instance, nor William. Skipping out on his father to meet with a philanthropist (naturally wealthy) seems a very Harry thing to do.
I'm not certain that the "too heavy of a schedule to meet with his father" is actually the way it really happened or was invented by someone "outside the box" of the inner circle surrounding the BRF. One thing I do believe though is that there isn't a person in this world (with an actual heart) that wouldn't reschedule something with Harry should he have decided to spend extra time in the UK after his grandfather's funeral as much publicized that grandfather's funeral was. If Harry had decided he wanted to spend some one on one time with Charles in Wales and formed a "bubble", I think it would have been understandable.

We really don't know at all how the meetings between Harry and his father and his brother went and if things were looking brighter or even disintegrated more. We do know they met though and that now, Harry is back in California.
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I could only glance at it for now, but ....now we know where Harry’s priorities lie, and it’s not with his family. He chose some billionaire over his own father...
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Or...did he choose his work over a family birthday, like i think many of the BRF might do (and yes, i think in Harry's new life, this is part of his job..whether we like it or not)

And the daily mail sure know how to write headlines that bait us to click
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I could only glance at it for now, but ....now we know where Harry’s priorities lie, and it’s not with his family. He chose some billionaire over his own father...
What happened to quarantine when he returned.. His grandmother sat on her own and watched her husband of 73 years lowered into the vault, rather than not follow the guidelines .
He chose not to wait for her birthday but he could break quarantine for lunch with a rich philanthropist.
The more I hear the more I hope they stay in America.
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I know that this is going to be an odd sell but I am beginning to think that all of it is part of the PR campaign.
I think they are pushing various articles though Scobie, through their friends and then the royal sources so we have Harry is regretting the interview, Harry is having meetings with his father, to Harry is writing letters and talking to the Queen. Yes - it keeps them in the news and pushes the assumption that they are still relevant and newsworthy, but it is also telling the public that we cannot trust the media as the story is all over the place. So when they have another interview they can say - can you believe the stories they make up about us? It seems very orchestrated, it seems very expensive and it is very dangerous.
Is it all deflection? If so - from what?

Pic is definitely planned - Meghan is often seen around the areas with 4 bodyguards where are they in the pic? Very nice of them to walk far behind enough for people to take a clean shot. This shot is not even zoomed in to cut them out. Have a look at a few pap shots they are zoomed so that the celebrity cant see the shot been taken - this is a clean shot. The photographer was able to be seen by Meghan and her security. It is even taken at a level angle. No celebrity paparazzi photographer is this lucky.

From what I understand Harry and Meghan spoke about the half in and Half out from when they got married. So it would make sense that the palace would say Meghan should continue acting - but I think Harry is simplifying or simply missing the point on what was really said. I expect that it was more like Meghan might enjoy making her own money or that Meghan's earning money might come in handy if cash is needed - note that most of Harry's money is tied up in trusts.
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What happened to quarantine when he returned.. His grandmother sat on her own and watched her husband of 73 years lowered into the vault, rather than not follow the guidelines .
He chose not to wait for her birthday but he could break quarantine for lunch with a rich philanthropist.
The more I hear the more I hope they stay in America.
I wish they weren’t over here, but it’s better here than in the UK...
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