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Old 04-20-2021, 06:53 PM
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Harry said all they wanted to do was to "step back" from being senior royals not "walk away". Security is extremely important as Harry is the son of a future King. Since marrying a woman of color there has been an increased risk and threats against him and his family. Daddy should've always continued to provide security.
Daddy never provided security - it was provided by the British taxpayer. If they had stayed in the UK they would probably have taxpayer funded security. They chose to leave. At some point, adults have to stop demanding Daddy fund their life choices.
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Old 04-20-2021, 07:01 PM
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Harry said all they wanted to do was to "step back" from being senior royals not "walk away". Security is extremely important as Harry is the son of a future King. Since marrying a woman of color there has been an increased risk and threats against him and his family. Daddy should've always continued to provide security.
Perhaps if they had "stepped back" and remained in the UK and just cut down their working duties, it would have been more feasible for Charles to assent to provide security. If they lived at Frogmore Cottage quietly, they'd have built in security. They actually "walked out", moved thousands of miles away to a country where its being said that the sign of the US getting back to somewhat "normal" after a pandemic is daily mass shootings and tensions are high in cities all over the country. They've provided a 14 million dollar mansion for themselves in a prime, elite neighborhood. If they can afford that, they can afford their own security.

When you walk away from a job that pays the bills, you don't blame the company when you can't meet your rent and buy groceries because you've not found another job yet. You only can have what you can afford. That's a lesson the majority of us learn as we step out on our own two feet into adulthood.
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Old 04-20-2021, 07:11 PM
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Harry and Meghan are paying their own bills. This is a bit of a moot discussion as they are not asking for money from the family. I get when they first left they were a bit surprised and frustrated that their security was removed as their location was leaked by the tabloids. They felt stressed over that but it all worked out. And honestly it was all the best it happened the way it did.
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Old 04-20-2021, 07:18 PM
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Harry and Meghan are paying their own bills. This is a bit of a moot discussion as they are not asking for money from the family. I get when they first left they were a bit surprised and frustrated that their security was removed as their location was leaked by the tabloids. They felt stressed over that but it all worked out. And honestly it was all the best it happened the way it did.
Why did Harry raise the issue of his father removing his funding with Oprah .
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Old 04-20-2021, 07:20 PM
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Harry said all they wanted to do was to "step back" from being senior royals not "walk away". Security is extremely important as Harry is the son of a future King. Since marrying a woman of color there has been an increased risk and threats against him and his family. Daddy should've always continued to provide security.


Ultimately, he did decide to walk away. That wasn’t his original plan, but that was his ultimate choice.

As it turned out his poorly thought out version of HIHO wasn’t palatable to his bosses. His options were: all in or all out. He chose out. Well- that came with consequences.

He should have thought about the security issue and planned accordingly before walking out. It’s no one’s fault but his and Meghan’s that they walked before planning ahead. Charles didn’t provide his security in the past. Assuming he would just start paying for it was erroneously presumptive on his part. Too bad.

They’re very contradictory with their plans on leaving the business, being HIHO, what happened when...but bottom line for me: they simply didn’t plan WELL. And they really didn’t think it through. They may have thought they did, but I don’t see evidence of it. That’s on them.
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Old 04-20-2021, 07:21 PM
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Harry served ten years in the army which included two periods in active service in Afghanistan. During that decade he mixed with ‘ordinary people’ every day, to a far greater extent, I would suggest, than many other senior royals in his family. Service life is a great leveller.

Several people in his family had periods of active service in the military, including Andrew, the present Duke of Kent, Philip, and even the future King George VI.
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Old 04-20-2021, 07:27 PM
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Daddy never provided security - it was provided by the British taxpayer. If they had stayed in the UK they would probably have taxpayer funded security. They chose to leave. At some point, adults have to stop demanding Daddy fund their life choices.
And there is no way the British tax payer was going to accept that we paid the security costs for multi millionaires who decided to walk away from the security already in place here .
I do not have a problem with my taxes contributing to security costs for the senior members of the family and I include the Sussex family in that but they walked away.
They obviously knew it would be a bone of contention because they mentioned how they were still entitled to it in the statement or website when they left.
These are the kind of issues that probably were causing delays in coming to an agreement before it became public.
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Old 04-20-2021, 07:38 PM
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Why did Harry raise the issue of his father removing his funding with Oprah .
Because that is where they were at the time during the review seemly forced upon them. Not like Harry had a job where he was earning a paycheck. He is now. He was given an allowance. Which is weird in itself. A grown man given an allowance. I am glad it stopped and Harry is now working for his own money.

It was a shock to his system but I am glad it happened to him. He needed it. And I am glad he did have Diana's money (and friends to lean on) to make sure he could secure security and protect his family who did need it. He should have realized it would be stripped. He just was so used to it always being there. Regardless that is his responsibility. I mean even today there was a report that someone was arrested who had a bomb book with Archie's name/face on it. So I get his fear.

It all worked out in the end and lessons were learned.
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Old 04-20-2021, 07:42 PM
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And there is no way the British tax payer was going to accept that we paid the security costs for multi millionaires who decided to walk away from the security already in place here.

Besides, how could they have British public security when they were iving permanently overseas? That is simply impossible. If they had stayed in Canada, the Canadian government would have had to be responsible for security.



My understanding from Harry's grievances is that, once the Palace downgraded his status as no longer a working royal, the Canadians claimed he and his wife no longer qualified as "internationally protected persons", or whatever the correct legal term is, so they had to withdraw RCMP security.
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Old 04-20-2021, 07:44 PM
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Old 04-20-2021, 07:46 PM
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Because that is where they were at the time during the review seemly forced upon them.
I'm sorry but I'm not sure what you mean by this. Oprah didn't force him to talk about being cut off, Harry brought that up himself.
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Old 04-20-2021, 07:57 PM
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I'm sorry but I'm not sure what you mean by this. Oprah didn't force him to talk about being cut off, Harry brought that up himself.
I meant the 1 year review. It was stated many times that Harry and Meghan didn't want it but it was by Charles and HMQ. I am guessing Harry assumed that in that duration that he would have more time to settle in but got a reality check. Probably what created the resentment. What was the point of it?

Harry should have known it would all be removed on the final day especially since he said there were discussions going on. But as said, luckily for them they had other resources to make sure they were okay in that regard... and I am glad they did.
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Old 04-20-2021, 08:06 PM
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I'm sorry but I'm not sure what you mean by this. Oprah didn't force him to talk about being cut off, Harry brought that up himself.
Maybe it's just how I saw it but when Harry stated that they had to take the Netflix and Spotify contracts in order to provide for themselves, it sounded to me like a little kid being aghast at being told that if he wanted that new baseball mitt he'll have to save up his allowance or do extra chores and actually work to get what he wanted. It's almost like Harry was saying "We actually have to *work* to get the things we need now" as if that was a totally new concept to him.

I think Harry's idea of "financially independent" and what "financially independent" really is were two different concepts. They believed that they could do away with the 5% from the Sovereign Grant which would allow them to "commercialize" a lot of things they wanted to do. They didn't realize that the 95% from Charles was contingent on them working for the "Firm" and supporting "Team Windsor".

Hopefully Harry returns to the US with a better relationship with his family in the sense that they can and will remain as "family" but all have an acceptance of the way things are and Harry is no longer part of the "Firm" and "Team Windsor" any longer and because of that, the reality is that he's now an extended member of the British royal family living a private life of his own by choice.
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Old 04-20-2021, 08:12 PM
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I meant the 1 year review. It was stated many times that Harry and Meghan didn't want it but it was by Charles and HMQ. I am guessing Harry assumed that in that duration that he would have more time to settle in but got a reality check. Probably what created the resentment. What was the point of it?

Harry should have known it would all be removed on the final day especially since he said there were discussions going on. But as said, luckily for them they had other resources to make sure they were okay in that regard... and I am glad they did.
I understand and you may be right about one year review. My take is that Charles wanted Harry and probably Meghan to continue in some capacity but the one year review was to evaluate the type of income Harry and Meghan could earn to decide if it was compatible with royal duties. I guess it is a matter of perspective.
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Old 04-20-2021, 08:22 PM
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I meant the 1 year review. It was stated many times that Harry and Meghan didn't want it but it was by Charles and HMQ. I am guessing Harry assumed that in that duration that he would have more time to settle in but got a reality check. Probably what created the resentment. What was the point of it?

Harry should have known it would all be removed on the final day especially since he said there were discussions going on. But as said, luckily for them they had other resources to make sure they were okay in that regard... and I am glad they did.
I am a bit confused with your post, you are saying Harry and Meghan didn't want the review period but by the same token they didnt appear to be ready for a cut off point .
It only goes to confirm that their idea of financial independence didn't match the family's view.
Could that be why there were delays trying to find a solution in the first place.
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Old 04-20-2021, 08:33 PM
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I do think Harry and Meghan had a lot of anxiety, even before they left, over not having a set yearly income that was guaranteed as working royals. And I think this is a fair issue that William needs to not run from, but decide how he will handle for his own children in the next few years, so they can be raised understanding exactly what financial support they can expect, and not expect.

On the other hand, I don't doubt for a minute that they would have received generous monetary support as full-time royals, in addition to free luxury housing, free security, and likely, free private education for their children. I'm not sure that Harry and Megan fully understood what financials were covered, in addition to funds given to them by Charles.

I think the biggest mistake the Sussexes made in their bargaining was moving to North America upfront. If they had stayed in the UK (and I'm not even saying Frogmore Cottage- if they really wanted something else, they could have rented for the year), I do believe they would have continued to receive public security for their year of review. From what I see, they could have still closed their Netflix deal from the U.K., and their Spotify contract. That would have given them a much less stressful start to their new life. They could have then moved to California after the year in review. (But hindsight is always 20/20).
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Old 04-20-2021, 08:40 PM
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I am a bit confused with your post, you are saying Harry and Meghan didn't want the review period but by the same token they didnt appear to be ready for a cut off point .
It only goes to confirm that their idea of financial independence didn't match the family's view.
Could that be why there were delays trying to find a solution in the first place.
I think Harry wrongly assumed that during that transition they would have had a period to allow them to settle in before it was all removed. Hence Meghan saying she was worried about Harry's protection being removed. Clearly there was a lack of communication or understanding. The entire "review" was truly pointless anyways. Nothing changed.

Just grateful they were able to figure it out and nothing happened as they were transitioning out their security situation. They had help in that regard and I am glad they did.
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Old 04-20-2021, 08:45 PM
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I think Harry wrongly assumed that during that transition they would have had a period to allow them to settle in before it was all removed. Hence Meghan saying she was worried about Harry's protection being removed. Clearly there was a lack of communication or understanding. The entire "review" was truly pointless anyways. Nothing changed.

Just grateful they were able to figure it out and nothing happened as they were transitioning out their security situation. They had help in that regard and I am glad they did.
I see now what you are saying. They maybe thought they could force the family's hand but it didn't work out.
Anyway , it is bed time for me.
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I think the biggest mistake the Sussexes made in their bargaining was moving to North America upfront. If they had stayed in the UK (and I'm not even saying Frogmore Cottage- if they really wanted something else, they could have rented for the year), I do believe they would have continued to receive public security for their year of review. From what I see, they could have still closed their Netflix deal from the U.K., and their Spotify contract. That would have given them a much less stressful start to their new life. They could have then moved to California after the year in review. (But hindsight is always 20/20).
No way. They were no longer working royals. They would have had the same issues only they would have still been in the UK and Meghan likely would have been even more miserable. There is a reason they paid back Frogmore Cottage. They wanted to remove all debts and rightfully so.

In the end it all happened the way it was suppose to, I guess. Better to just rip off the bandage. The review was just in name only.
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Old 04-20-2021, 08:56 PM
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Daddy never provided security - it was provided by the British taxpayer. If they had stayed in the UK they would probably have taxpayer funded security. They chose to leave. At some point, adults have to stop demanding Daddy fund their life choices.
Daddy has personal funding independent of the British tax payer.
The couple made it clear that they wished to step back not leave but they were met with resistance and repeated roadblocks. No one probably thought they were serious. With their backs against the wall they opted to leave for their well-being.
Whatever the scenario, Harry was born into his position- by virtue of being alive there are risks and threats. Security should've been provided.
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