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Old 04-19-2021, 04:03 PM
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The letter writing thing reminds me of how Charles and Philip had communicated for awhile only by letter. In a way, I think it’s a good thing; writing allows you to take your time to say what you want to say without emotions getting in the way.


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I agree that putting things in writing will make it easier to avoid misunderstandings. Unfortunately, this article makes it sound like Harry's communications have been only to justify why he publicized the family conflict and that he hasn't looked at it from his family's point of view. If that is true, I don't blame Charles for cutting off phone contact, especially after the Gayle King debacle.

I can also understand if it is true that William and Charles didn't want to meet with him alone. It's not promising right now but I hope time will help.
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Old 04-19-2021, 04:18 PM
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Saying something by letter can be a very good thing - I agree. No-one's going to interrupt and start yelling and shouting, and you can read the letter through and rewrite it if you feel you haven't said the right thing.


Agreed. I think letter writing can serve a very useful purpose.

The article reads that Harry was a bit taken aback about just how much his relationship with family (not clear who exactly) had taken a hit post Oprah. Supposedly anyway. Though I can well imagine that seeing everyone in person puts things in a different light.

I tend to take a lot of “sources say” with a grain of salt, but I have no trouble buying into this:

A source said: “One of the main issues with Harry and Meghan when they were part of the working family was their inability to understand how things worked. It’s been a lot simpler without them kicking off over why they couldn’t just do what they wanted.

“Things are a lot calmer.”

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I can also understand if it is true that William and Charles didn't want to meet with him alone. It's not promising right now but I hope time will help.

I must have missed that part, but if true, understandable. There’s been a huge breach of trust.
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Old 04-19-2021, 04:28 PM
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Whether Harry is staying or no, it is still not confirmed. I hope he does stay.
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Old 04-19-2021, 04:28 PM
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I must have missed that part, but if true, understandable. There’s been a huge breach of trust.
This may not be true but this is my source:
https://www.the-sun.com/news/2733944...-misconstrued/
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Old 04-19-2021, 04:36 PM
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This may not be true but this is my source:
https://www.the-sun.com/news/2733944...-misconstrued/
It was reported in the Mail, too, by Dan Wooton. Is he credible? Seems like some senior officials had spoken to him.
Personally, I think this news is credible, and that the Palace is fine with its release.
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Old 04-19-2021, 04:43 PM
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This may not be true but this is my source:
https://www.the-sun.com/news/2733944...-misconstrued/
Yes. Taking with a grain of salt as always but IF it's true I can see why they'd want to have a conversation together so that he can't claim one of them said one thing another said the opposite and so Harry can state his side clearly to both of them at the same time so everyone's working from the same conversation.

It certainly doesn't suggest any trust and I can understand why. I imagine that (again if true) that there were serious pronouncements about the consequences of this ending up on Gayle King's morning show tomorrow for one thing.

I don't personally think there's any justification for airing their dirty laundry in public like that, especially as we know know the family knew he wasn't going to live much longer when they shot it.

Given his attitude in the interview I'm not entirely surprised that he's (allegedly) shocked about the depth of anger and betrayal many in the family might be feeling. He apparently didn't realise what "financial independence" meant either and claimed to want a better relationship with his family 5 seconds after throwing them off a cliff in a burning bus.

That said, I do hope it was a start, if only because it's painful to have a massive rift in a family and to avoid any more interviews and drama. Not holding my breath though.
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Old 04-19-2021, 04:43 PM
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It was reported in the Mail, too, by Dan Wooton. Is he credible? Seems like some senior officials had spoken to him.
Personally, I think this news is credible, and that the Palace is fine with its release.
I don't know how reliable Wootton is but given the interview, I can believe that the family is a bit leery of talking with Meghan and Harry privately. They won't be able to avoid it forever though, so I think it will be a long time before they trust him with any private thoughts.
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I don't know how reliable Wootton is but given the interview, I can believe that the family is a bit leery of talking with Meghan and Harry privately. They won't be able to avoid it forever though, so I think it will be a long time before they trust him with any private thoughts.
Yes, but it says that William was there so that the conversation does not get misconstrued in the future. How can William's presence prevent misconstruing, I do not understand. In Harry's version of "us vs them," William was very much the "them."
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Old 04-19-2021, 04:51 PM
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Yes, but it says that William was there so that the conversation does not get misconstrued in the future. How can William's presence prevent misconstruing, I do not understand. In Harry's version of "us vs them," William was very much the "them."
I think it is a matter of if Harry gives another interview claiming that Charles said something that Charles didn't, there is a witness. I can't see Charles and William going on record, but they can put the truth out. It's more credible if both Charles and William are saying the same thing. Moreover, they can correct Harry in private, if necessary. I suspect Harry thinks he is telling the truth.
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Old 04-19-2021, 05:34 PM
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I thought Harry and Meghan were going to stay silent after the interview. Why are they keeping us in the loop of their private interactions with Harry's family - if we accept that the information really comes from people close to the Duke of Sussex?


We all saw the interview. Whatever I think of Harry and Meghan - and I make no secret of my opinion, - I never doubted that they felt wronged. I also don't doubt that the RF feels wronged.



I'd be content if they sort the things out among themselves without giving us the details. But I'm curious to know why, if the sources are indeed close to Harry and Meghan, they feel they need sources at all. They are free from the family that silenced them and if they want things out, they can well say so themselves. All this sources game achieves if putting them more into the spotlight which they claimed they wanted to avoid. Unless they are seeking the royal spotlight after claiming that they wouldn't. It is odd, the way they're keeping to the BP ways of dealing with press after complaining of it so much.
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Old 04-19-2021, 05:53 PM
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Doubt if he'll stay. and I doubt if they discussed Oprah. its bound ot be contentious and Im srue they dont want arguments to mar their short time togehter...when they should still be focussing on Philp and the queen
What would they talk about, Harry has his truth, and William and Charles have theirs
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Old 04-19-2021, 05:55 PM
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I'm just going to stick with what I actually saw and that was William, Kate and Harry talking to each other walking back from the chapel to the castle after the funeral service. I seriously doubt that *anyone* besides William, Harry and Charles knows what was said between them or what their feelings toward each other actually are. It's all speculative.

Actions beget reactions and so many actions by the Sussexes since January, 2020 have been detrimental to the way things were as a family. Having disagreements on how things go on the business side of things happen but there was so much that just threw the family, themselves, under the bus that it did affect the familial relationships. Harry and Meghan have totally walked away from the institution of the monarchy and it's "Firm" and that's a split, I believe, that cannot ever be mended in any way, shape or form. I do sincerely hope they can mend the familial rifts and be on good terms with each other but, as many have stated, the element of trust has disappeared and that will take a very long while to reestablish again. If ever.

Harry, being able to see and bit with his family, even for a short while, is an icebreaker but its still a long ways to go before that ice totally melts away.
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I think the point was for father and sons to talk together, alone, with NO courtiers or anyone around them. With all of them together, there is less of a chance of miscommunication - which is at the heart of this rift.

Here’s something very interesting and, IMO, positive. Charles, William, Harry and Kate talked for about 2 hours at Frogmore. I guess Harry must have felt like he was going to be tag teamed by his father and brother, but it’s fine that he wanted it at Frogmore. It’s a start, a good start. It will take time, but healing can happen. They just have to look at Charles’ relationships with his own parents.


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An insider said that Princess Eugenie and her husband Jack Brooksbank, who now live at Frogmore, “made themselves scarce as Harry, William, Kate and Charles hammered things out”.

They added: “Harry obviously felt outnumbered as there are three of them and only one of him so wanted it to be on his home turf.


“There is no way this is the end of the crisis in their relationships but it’s a good gesture and a nice way to take the first step towards healing.

“William, Kate and Charles all left after about two hours, which was long enough for the process of getting father and brothers talking again to start.”


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Agreed. I think letter writing can serve a very useful purpose.

The article reads that Harry was a bit taken aback about just how much his relationship with family (not clear who exactly) had taken a hit post Oprah. Supposedly anyway. Though I can well imagine that seeing everyone in person puts things in a different light.

I tend to take a lot of “sources say” with a grain of salt, but I have no trouble buying into this:

A source said: “One of the main issues with Harry and Meghan when they were part of the working family was their inability to understand how things worked. It’s been a lot simpler without them kicking off over why they couldn’t just do what they wanted.

“Things are a lot calmer.”
Harry seems kind of naive, to be honest. I’m not sure why he wouldn’t think that interview would create a lot of hurt and anger. In any case, even before the interview, it’s obvious there were issues...misunderstandings, miscommunication, and look where that lead.

A part of me thinks it’s probably a good thing that Harry is going back. Father and sons have had a good start, and now everyone can take a deep breath. They can still chat on Zoom, and honestly, I DO believe Harry will be back, maybe even Meghan.
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Old 04-19-2021, 06:49 PM
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RF sources should stop leaking all these information about the trio's meeting, talking for two hours, letter writing, etc.? To start healing in good faith, I think "sources" needs to be curtailed on all sides.
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I have learned more from all these royal sources than I ever learned from Gayle's comment about a conversation being "unproductive." My goodness.

They should worry less about her and start plugging up their own leaks. At least she was brave enough to say it with her chest and not hide.

Anyways the press seems to think Meghan's due date is in June. Maybe Harry told his family and that made its way to the media via sources. So if true, depending on when baby girl is born, we very well could see them all in the UK in the summer.

Harry would likely want to return for the statue reveal if it is not postponed.
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Old 04-19-2021, 07:28 PM
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I agree that putting things in writing will make it easier to avoid misunderstandings. Unfortunately, this article makes it sound like Harry's communications have been only to justify why he publicized the family conflict and that he hasn't looked at it from his family's point of view. If that is true, I don't blame Charles for cutting off phone contact, especially after the Gayle King debacle.

I can also understand if it is true that William and Charles didn't want to meet with him alone. It's not promising right now but I hope time will help.
I don’t think we’re talking personal letters between them. IMO, it will be professional, legally sanctioned, communication with the full expectation that it will be leaked. All parties involved are hopelessly naive if they do anything else.
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Harry and Meghan said a lot of stuff they should not have said in that Oprah interview, but I didn't think the "unproductive" comment by Gayle was anything to complain about. It said nothing.

I am not sure whether Harry is staying for his grandmother's birthday, but I think it might be better for all if he went home. The birthday celebrations - whatever form they take at this not only difficult (Covid restrictions) and very sad time would surely be a lot more relaxed for everyone if Harry is not present.
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I don't think Harry will reveal publicly when he is leaving. It is speculation IMO.
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Old 04-19-2021, 07:41 PM
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I have learned more from all these royal sources than I ever learned from Gayle's comment about a conversation being "unproductive." My goodness.
The fact that they talked for two hours seems to have come from palace sources but there is no information about the substance of the talks. On the other hand, the sources for the letter writing seem to be close to Harry. I agree there are leaks from the palace but there seem to be more from Harry and Meghan.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/147013...ilips-funeral/
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Harry and Meghan said a lot of stuff they should not have said in that Oprah interview, but I didn't think the "unproductive" comment by Gayle was anything to complain about. It said nothing.

I think the biggest problem is that anything was said- not the substance of what it was.

If Harry was really so naive that he couldn’t comprehend that taking a family dispute public was going to hurt and anger his family, he should have been crystal clear afterwards that saying anything further- anything- would be a huge mistake. He did it anyway.
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