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Old 04-18-2021, 02:36 PM
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What exactly is disrespectful about calling them Prince Harry and the Cambridges.

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Worst of all was the implication that they were referring to Charles and William being racist. I donít know that they meant that as Iím sure Harry at least knows itís not true, but by saying HM and Philip werenít the ones, everyone assumed it was either his father or brother. Then the fact that he doesnít think his father supports him - itís just like when Charles did the Dimbleby interview; his parents were deeply hurt. I do believe theyíll overcome this, but nonetheless, itís very personal.

I agree with your last point. I think she was probably being sincere in her gestures, but thereís no need to point it out...unless she felt a need to prove that she cares because she doesnít want people to think she doesnít.
I think its rather late to show "sincere" support gestures. They had a year in America to sort out their lives, they had escaped from the place where they were unhappy.. and yet they still clearly carried a load of angry grudges about the Palace and the RF as a whole and poured them all out and did it in such a way that they denigrated everyone in the family... and at the time they must have known that Philip was very ill and hadn't long to live... Even if they felt that they had legitimate grudges that wasn't the time to put them out...
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Old 04-18-2021, 04:28 PM
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Disappointed to read that it is reported that Harry will fly back tomorrow, and wonder if his doing so so close to his widowed grandmotherís birthday will set back any attempts that might have been made to mend relationships. Heís missed most of the last 18 months of his grandfatherís life and not knowing how much longer his grandmother will be around for or when travel without essential circumstances like these will really be possible, itís sad that he canít spare another week to be around for her birthday. The first events without someone hurt a lot and HM has the added sorrow of her birthday being so soon after she lost him. Meghan is pregnant but if the birth was imminent, there would surely have been no medical advice needed to rule her out of attending the funeral.

William, Kate and Harry yesterday reminded me of old times for a moment, but Iím now thinking it had to be that way so as for William and Harry not to overshadow their grandparents today.

Meghan came into the family and there was such hope for modernisation. Now I fear with the stepping back after so little time and Oprah that itíll have done the opposite and more will find themselves in the position of Margaret et al and told they canít have their first choice of spouse.

I could see most of the blame for the way things have turned out being put onto Meghan. Harry is one of their own and seemed uncomfortable in the interview (although as with any family some members are likely to be more objective about where the fault lies than others.)
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Old 04-18-2021, 04:29 PM
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The funeral really emphasized the contrast between Kate and Meghan. Kate, who has at least as much reason to be angry with Harry and Meghan as anyone else, subtly made an opportunity to encourage William and Harry to patch things up. Meghan, whose behavior is a large part of the reason for their strained relationship, found yet another way to make it worse. Granted, it's minor compared to everything she's done up to that point, and her intent probably wasn't to cause problems. But her intent was to make herself look good in the media, and as usual, she didn't look one single millimeter past that to consider whether it was appropriate or what impact it might have on others.
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Old 04-18-2021, 04:38 PM
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Harry and Meghan also have their own grievances. Kate and William visibly snubbed them at the service earlier this year.If Kate wants things patched up, it should be when Harry and Meghan are both there and she speaks to both of them. Hopefully there will be a chance down the road. Harry and William have not always gotten on pre Meghan and have their own falling outs. Harry also was the one who complained about his father during the interview. I don't know why the onus is put on Meghan, Harry was not happy with William and vice versa. I think the ones who are responsible for the strained relationships and the ones who can repair it are the brothers. I don't think Meghan should be blamed and she take the brunt of the criticism. Kate glaring at Harry and Meghan did not help matters any. There can be personality clashes but one of them should not be labeled the cause of it all. there is blame to go around.
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Old 04-18-2021, 04:44 PM
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What exactly is disrespectful about calling them Prince Harry and the Cambridges.
Agreed. We all do the same thing here.

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The funeral really emphasized the contrast between Kate and Meghan. Kate, who has at least as much reason to be angry with Harry and Meghan as anyone else, subtly made an opportunity to encourage William and Harry to patch things up. Meghan, whose behavior is a large part of the reason for their strained relationship, found yet another way to make it worse. Granted, it's minor compared to everything she's done up to that point, and her intent probably wasn't to cause problems. But her intent was to make herself look good in the media, and as usual, she didn't look one single millimeter past that to consider whether it was appropriate or what impact it might have on others.
I beg to differ. You can't compare the two women as it was not an equal playing field. If Meghan was at the funeral fine but she is not- she is heavily pregnant thousands of miles away in California.

Furthermore, forums and social media seems to be the only place outraged over "wreath-gate". I watched the funeral on the Daily Mail Live and they were only briefly shown alongside the other wreaths. It didn't detract from the funeral or any of its elements.
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Old 04-18-2021, 04:52 PM
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Meghan did also have a miscarriage last year and because she is in the late stages could not travel on doctor's orders. Plus COVID is still there. Not ordinary times. I don't know why the wreath was a problem, it came from the Sussexes, both of them.
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Old 04-18-2021, 04:53 PM
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Disappointed to read that it is reported that Harry will fly back tomorrow, and wonder if his doing so so close to his widowed grandmotherís birthday will set back any attempts that might have been made to mend relationships. Heís missed most of the last 18 months of his grandfatherís life and not knowing how much longer his grandmother will be around for or when travel without essential circumstances like these will really be possible, itís sad that he canít spare another week to be around for her birthday. The first events without someone hurt a lot and HM has the added sorrow of her birthday being so soon after she lost him. Meghan is pregnant but if the birth was imminent, there would surely have been no medical advice needed to rule her out of attending the funeral.

William, Kate and Harry yesterday reminded me of old times for a moment, but Iím now thinking it had to be that way so as for William and Harry not to overshadow their grandparents today.

Meghan came into the family and there was such hope for modernisation. Now I fear with the stepping back after so little time and Oprah that itíll have done the opposite and more will find themselves in the position of Margaret et al and told they canít have their first choice of spouse.

I could see most of the blame for the way things have turned out being put onto Meghan. Harry is one of their own and seemed uncomfortable in the interview (although as with any family some members are likely to be more objective about where the fault lies than others.)
Honestly, I was kind of pleasantly surprised that he stayed the extra day as I was concerned he might leave today. I would have liked him to have stayed a few extra days, but I guess that was really never going to be. I do hope that he and his father got to spend some time together.

No one ever knows when it will be the last time they see their loved ones, which IMO ought to at least start the healing process. Charles isnít a baby, and even though he has incredible genes, still you never know. Same could be said for everyone else, even William, whoís a young man.

Hopefully this wonít have been the last time we see Harry here; hopefully heíll bring his son and daughter with him, next time.
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Old 04-18-2021, 04:56 PM
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I think Harry and Meghan should both come with the children. Meghan should be welcomed also. Just my thoughts. It would not make or family unity among the clan if the wife and mother of the children does not come. Their son and daughter should go with their parents. Family is important for all. I think it is natural for a man to want to return to his pregnant wife and son. It would not be a good look for the family, if Harry leaves his wife at home and travels with a baby daughter and small son.
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Old 04-18-2021, 05:04 PM
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I think its rather late to show "sincere" support gestures. They had a year in America to sort out their lives, they had escaped from the place where they were unhappy.. and yet they still clearly carried a load of angry grudges about the Palace and the RF as a whole and poured them all out and did it in such a way that they denigrated everyone in the family... and at the time they must have known that Philip was very ill and hadn't long to live... Even if they felt that they had legitimate grudges that wasn't the time to put them out...
On the contrary, the couple has shown that their support gestures have been on-going. The couple didn't just start recently caring.
For example, Harry reportedly called and reached out to his father when it was revealed Prince Charles had coronavirus, we also know that Harry and William have been talking in collaboration with their mother's memorial statue project for this summer, Harry famously detailed how his late grandfather ended Zoom calls (lol), and in the interview the couple spoke about how they called the Queen when the late Duke was hospitalized.
So inspite of whatever issues the Sussexes have with courtiers or even family members- they never stopped being a family and they never stopped caring.
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Old 04-18-2021, 05:05 PM
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I beg to differ. You can't compare the two women as it was not an equal playing field. If Meghan was at the funeral fine but she is not- she is heavily pregnant thousands of miles away in California.

Furthermore, forums and social media seems to be the only place outraged over "wreath-gate". I watched the funeral on the Daily Mail Live and they were only briefly shown alongside the other wreaths. It didn't detract from the funeral or any of its elements.
Being thousands of miles away in California should should have made it easier, not harder, to avoid doing anything inappropriate or attention-grabbing. Kate at least had to sit through the ceremony and then walk back with cameras focused on her the entire time. All Meghan had to do was not issue a press release.

Obviously they didn't stop the funeral to announce "That wreath over there was sent by Meghan, done by the same florist she used for Archie's christening... " and then listed all the flowers. And I don't imagine any of the guests were aware of it at the time, since they all had better manners than to whip out their phones to check the media coverage. That doesn't change the fact that Meghan - who, as you said, wasn't even there - has managed make herself a centerpiece of media coverage of an event that had nothing to do with her, and that she didn't even attend. If that had happened without her doing anything because the media is obsessed with her, that wouldn't be her fault, and it wouldn't be fair to criticize her for it. But it didn't - it happened because she thought it appropriate to issue a press release (anonymously, for some reason) about her contribution to Philip's funeral while that funeral was happening.
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Old 04-18-2021, 05:08 PM
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Meghan did also have a miscarriage last year and because she is in the late stages could not travel on doctor's orders. Plus COVID is still there. Not ordinary times. I don't know why the wreath was a problem, it came from the Sussexes, both of them.
The wreath wasn't a problem - it was lovely, and I liked that it was so colorful. The press release about it was a problem, and the timing of that press release was an even bigger one. I don't think anyone on here has said Meghan should have attended.
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Old 04-18-2021, 05:08 PM
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I am not sure how "easy" it was for Meghan in the late stages of a pregnancy. It is subject to speculation; Zara was very visibly uncomfortable in her pregnancy with her second child, during the Sussex wedding. What Meghan needs to do now is to ensure her health and safety and that of her unborn child and on doctor's orders. I myself when I watched the funeral did not give any thought to the wreath story, I watched the service and left it at that.
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Old 04-18-2021, 05:14 PM
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On the contrary, the couple has shown that their support gestures have been on-going. The couple didn't just start recently caring.
For example, Harry reportedly called and reached out to his father when it was revealed Prince Charles had coronavirus, we also know that Harry and William have been talking in collaboration with their mother's memorial statue project for this summer, Harry famously detailed how his late grandfather ended Zoom calls (lol), and in the interview the couple spoke about how they called the Queen when the late Duke was hospitalized.
So inspite of whatever issues the Sussexes have with courtiers or even family members- they never stopped being a family and they never stopped caring.
And in spite of all this caring, Harry claimed someone in his family made racist remarks and that the family and Palace wouldn't get his wife help when she was suicidal....

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I am not sure how "easy" it was for Meghan in the late stages of a pregnancy. It is subject to speculation; Zara was very visibly uncomfortable in her pregnancy with her second child, during the Sussex wedding. What Meghan needs to do now is to ensure her health and safety and that of her unborn child and on doctor's orders. I myself when I watched the funeral did not give any thought to the wreath story, I watched the service and left it at that.
Since she didn't come, how was it difficult for her? She is in LA watching on TV.
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Old 04-18-2021, 05:16 PM
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Meghan did also have a miscarriage last year and because she is in the late stages could not travel on doctor's orders. Plus COVID is still there. Not ordinary times. I don't know why the wreath was a problem, it came from the Sussexes, both of them.
The wreath wasnít a problem. It was a thoughtful gesture and there was clearly a lot of thought put into it. The problem was not the wreath but the need to publicize it and share all the details. That was entirely unnecessary and was nothing short of self-serving.
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The wreath wasn't a problem - it was lovely, and I liked that it was so colorful. The press release about it was a problem, and the timing of that press release was an even bigger one. I don't think anyone on here has said Meghan should have attended.
Yes I too have yet to see anything on this site in which any poster stated that Meghan should have flown to the UK and attended the funeral.
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When Harry flies commercial does he have security with him? Buy the seat(s) next to him? And I wonder if the newspaper and tabloid headlines cause him to think about how much chaos his move to California and the interview has caused?
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The wreath wasnít a problem. It was a thoughtful gesture and there was clearly a lot of thought put into it. The problem was not the wreath but the need to publicize it and share all the details. That was entirely unnecessary and was nothing short of self-serving.
Maybe it's just me but the BBC didn't make a fuss over the wreath at all. They were focused on the funeral and were respectfully quiet during most of it and just basically was a window into the funeral proceedings. It's the American coverage and the tabloids that, IMO, seem to jump on the unnecessary tidbits and had blubbering and blathering talking heads throughout and made a fuss about Meghan and the wreath.

The stark difference between royal culture and celebrity culture stood out in its differences depending on who you turned to for information.
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To be honest, I believe that the Queen would have felt more comfort from the wreath from "Daisy" rather than the hand written note from Meghan. Those that were/are close to the family don't feel the need to publicize their condolences for any reason because they're for the family alone.

This is what makes the Sussex PR team releasing the information reek of it being done to generate publicity rather than done to actually console the family. For me, it's kind of a "so what" kind of story. Doesn't impress me in the least.
Like you, the leaking of the information of the wreath's details leaves me feeling cold. It just seems very self serving. I can't help thinking of a story I heard about Prince Philip. Where he told Catherine, when she married William, not to look at photographers at events. That they weren't what was important, the people there to see them were what what was important. More and more Meghan and Harry seem like look at photographers people.
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Well a few front pages are claiming Harry, William and Charles met up for almost 2 hours today (yesterday?). And according to the Telegraph there will be a summit held soon to discuss if “part time royals” can happen in the future.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...harles-prince/

So maybe what Harry wanted for himself might be possible for Louis, Charlotte, etc when they come of age.
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Maybe it's just me but the BBC didn't make a fuss over the wreath at all. They were focused on the funeral and were respectfully quiet during most of it and just basically was a window into the funeral proceedings. It's the American coverage and the tabloids that, IMO, seem to jump on the unnecessary tidbits and had blubbering and blathering talking heads throughout and made a fuss about Meghan and the wreath.



The stark difference between royal culture and celebrity culture stood out in its differences depending on who you turned to for information.


Itís not about just how much coverage the wreath actually got IMO. (Which is plenty now from what Iíve seen; Iíve seen TV and internet stories cover this.) Itís that Meghan herself felt the need to publicize the extent of her thoughtfulness as a funeral was beginning- of all times. In general- I donít think she should have done it all, but the timing made it worse. As another poster said- itís self- serving. Itís putting attention on herself. Itís what it tells me about her and her values.

Meghan apparently felt the world needs to know just what a thoughtful person she is. And they needed to know as a funeral was beginning. So, lots of people will have at least heard. It wasnít enough to actually just be thoughtful. Or for the family to know. No- EVERYONE needs to know how much effort she put into it. And Iím sure it did take time and thought. But...why say it at all. No one else did. Only her.
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