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Old 03-06-2021, 12:26 PM
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Isn't that the one where they were paid to comment on the interview that none of them has seen yet but they pretended they had? The tricksters who played this prank also mentioned donkeys and other things, which they got the RRs to respond to. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so shocking.
Yes that's the one, I just watched it. You are right in that it would be hilarious if not so shocking and I would add sad. These are real people not commodities. I was disturbed by them commenting on something they haven't seen pretending they had.
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Old 03-06-2021, 12:28 PM
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It might have been this article, which is a report in The Sun from Lady Colin Campbell.

https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/10...olin-campbell/
I have trouble believing this. Lady Colin Campbell is not the most reliable of sources.
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Old 03-06-2021, 12:31 PM
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I have trouble believing htis. Lady Colin Campbell is not the most reliable of sources.
Oh, absolutely not, no :) And neither is The Sun, so a double credibility whammy :)
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Old 03-06-2021, 12:39 PM
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Yes that's the one, I just watched it. You are right in that it would be hilarious if not so shocking and I would add sad. These are real people not commodities. I was disturbed by them commenting on something they haven't seen pretending they had.
It's a huge story I think - people making their living from royal reportage caught red-handed pretending to have access to a reliable source ie the interview and then commenting on it. It calls into question how widespread the practice is and how rigorously they check the validity of their sources (in this case, not at all).
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Old 03-06-2021, 01:07 PM
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yep - and it is not just the Sussex reporting - all the nonsense that the royal experts have throwing about - on everyone. Its like vultures. And include Meghan's favorites in this as well. The youtubers however also didn't tell you about the experts that rejected their offer. However I am more likely to forgive Youtubers then journalists.


Also they are just talking about what we have seen in the teasers, which is exactly what we are doing. So unless Meghan has a come to God moment in the interview - the justs of the interview has also been spilled.
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Old 03-06-2021, 01:10 PM
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It's a huge story I think - people making their living from royal reportage caught red-handed pretending to have access to a reliable source ie the interview and then commenting on it. It calls into question how widespread the practice is and how rigorously they check the validity of their sources (in this case, not at all).

But is this for real or some sort of joke by the supposed interviewers? It looks suspiciously like old interviews. Have the makers just come up with new questions that fit in with old footage & then blended it all together?

Donkey sanctuaries? Covid vaccines? Really? Who's fooling who here?

It all stretches credulity. I'd like to see these alleged interviews. If it is not what it purports to be then these two have only succeeded in riling up people as the comments on you tube & twitter show. Talk about feeding into peoples' confirmation bias.
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Old 03-06-2021, 01:47 PM
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something i don't understand is that when they stepped down last year they did so because they said they wanted privacy and they also spoke about the media and how unfair they were to them. those were the key reasons cited.

now, it turns out that part of the problem according to them was that the palace leaked 'falsehoods' against them. was this always the case, they just didn't want to say it as such when they made the decision to leave but now are comfortable doing so? did they come to the 'realisation' (whether true or not) that this was happening after they stepped down, and they thought the media was inventing the 'falsehoods' but then realised it was the palace? (i'm not a believer in a smear campaign i must say, so i am portraying this as it would be felt by H&M)

it is all most odd. i really don't think the 'firm' would engage in such low techniques to discredit them - they are after all family and according to the latest press releases 'much loved members'. why would they do this against them but then the queen calls them to ask what archie wants for xmas? it really doesn't make any sense.
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Old 03-06-2021, 01:57 PM
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Except they never claimed it was for privacy. That is what the media has pushed. They wanted to control who they gave access to in their private and professional life. That is why they said they no longer wanted to work with the royal rota.

They were never going to be hermits and never claimed that. They except that their privacy is respected and frankly who doesn't? No one wants people looking into their windows and have drones flying over their yards. But they have no issue talking to the media to support their causes.
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Old 03-06-2021, 02:33 PM
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TBF I don't think they said they wanted privacy - they wanted to build their own relationships with the media in a way that wasn't compatible with the RF's open media policy.

They wanted to work with certain media and exclude others while the RF as a public institution works with all media.

the wish of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex to live a more independent life as a family, by removing the supposed ‘public interest’ justification for media intrusion into their lives. from sussexroyal.com
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Old 03-06-2021, 02:55 PM
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TBF I don't think they said they wanted privacy - they wanted to build their own relationships with the media in a way that wasn't compatible with the RF's open media policy.

They wanted to work with certain media and exclude others while the RF as a public institution works with all media.

the wish of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex to live a more independent life as a family, by removing the supposed ‘public interest’ justification for media intrusion into their lives. from sussexroyal.com
I honestly can't remember if they said they wanted privacy at that time, but they have filed several lawsuits alleging invasion of privacy.
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Old 03-06-2021, 03:39 PM
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More information on the Sunday Times, written by Roya Nikkhah. This time on the conflict between Sussexes and Palace staff before the wedding. The idea that Meghan was unsuited to the role as senior working royals was touched on and how the Palace staff bend over backwards for her. Despite a lot of briefing from staff, Meghan still "allegedly" don't understand her role as well as the monarchy.

How Meghan became the unmerry wife of Windsor
The honeymoon was over for Meghan even before the wedding according to royal watchers who looked on aghast as the duchess’s dreams met reality at the palace
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...dsor-q0td0js6m

Here is the archive link that has the full article:
https://archive.vn/voXkU#selection-1109.0-1127.65
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Old 03-06-2021, 03:41 PM
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Oh yeah ego. Egos at war. There might be no innocent but what Patrick wrote about the monarchy is horrendous! It's not classy, it's just like a rant. Also it shows a belief Meghan was better than the Firm which is a terrible look. Jessica M. - a known bully Meghan probably had to cut off.
I hate the WOKE comments who hate Kate for being a doormat and Meghan as a genius. Tigi were very basic and Meghan was no Grace Kelly. Meghan as a president - I saw headlines like this.
Doria stayed silent. I just feel like in a perverse way they want to be humiliated because they had to know they were firing shots, co-writing Finding Freedom or they're stupid and their PR team isn't the strongest. They want to find good PR, money, be surrounded by celebrities and politics. All they can talk about and all anyone cares about is their royal status. I wonder what happens when the Oprah is done and bullets are used. Also I believe her co-stars, not hairdressers etc posts are approved by Meghan and co-stars want a bit of fame and future connections.
Also can anyone else see that some portals are vary of taking sides and supporting Meghan? After all they want to be on good terms with the palace since we'll see the new king(s), Cambridges' kids when Sussex are in the shadows.
My last point - why is Katherine blamed for not caring for Meghan? For a feminist she throws shade at women. Harry I believe isn't blameless and honestly he, living all his life in this, made a terrible choices.
Ok this is the last. The firm will protect you but you have to be willing to be in the shadows for a bit and step down for your wrongdoings. Which makes sense. Don't make headlines and the case goes away. Not the best way but here we have a war. Casualties only.
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Old 03-06-2021, 03:44 PM
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I honestly can't remember if they said they wanted privacy at that time, but they have filed several lawsuits alleging invasion of privacy.
Yes against people flying drones over their private property and taking pictures of them, again, on private property. That is not the same as never wanting a public life. If your privacy was violated then you would be likely pursue that as well. They won those suits for a reason. Laws were broken.

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More information on the Sunday Times, written by Roya Nikkhah. This time on the conflict between Sussexes and Palace staff before the wedding. The idea that Meghan was unsuited to the role as senior working royals was touched on and how the Palace staff bend over backwards for her. Despite a lot of briefing from staff, Meghan still "allegedly" don't understand her role as well as the monarchy.

How Meghan became the unmerry wife of Windsor
The honeymoon was over for Meghan even before the wedding according to royal watchers who looked on aghast as the duchess’s dreams met reality at the palace
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...dsor-q0td0js6m
Considering she calls Meghan an "interloper" who wants to be Beyonce, states she didn't have friends at her wedding, and claims she hosted a shooting party (after endless articles about how she banned him from them). I'll pass on it.
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Old 03-06-2021, 03:53 PM
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Yes against people flying drones over their private property and taking pictures of them, again, on private property. That is not the same as never wanting a public life. If your privacy was violated then you would be likely pursue that as well. They won those suits for a reason. Laws were broken.
To clarify, I am not faulting them for all the lawsuits but didn't they claim invasion of privacy, in addition to copyright violation with the letter publication. My feeling is that if they willingly reveal information about their personal lives and relationships with their families, they shouldn't complain about privacy being violated.

Obviously, Archie should have complete privacy protection and as long as they are not in a public place, they should be able to relax without worrying about photographers.
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Old 03-06-2021, 03:57 PM
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To clarify, I am not faulting them for all the lawsuits but didn't they claim invasion of privacy, in addition to copyright violation with the letter publication. My feeling is that if they willingly reveal information about their personal lives and relationships with their families, they shouldn't complain about privacy being violated.

Obviously, Archie should have complete privacy protection and as long as they are not in a public place, they should be able to relax without worrying about photographers.
That doesn't even make sense. Just because I walk down the street and say hello to you doesn't mean you get to break into my home and ask for tea. Everyone has a right to privacy.

Consent is a thing and it is important.
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Old 03-06-2021, 03:59 PM
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More information on the Sunday Times, written by Roya Nikkhah. This time on the conflict between Sussexes and Palace staff before the wedding. The idea that Meghan was unsuited to the role as senior working royals was touched on and how the Palace staff bend over backwards for her. Despite a lot of briefing from staff, Meghan still "allegedly" don't understand her role as well as the monarchy.

How Meghan became the unmerry wife of Windsor
The honeymoon was over for Meghan even before the wedding according to royal watchers who looked on aghast as the duchess’s dreams met reality at the palace
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...dsor-q0td0js6m

Here is the archive link that has the full article:
https://archive.vn/voXkU#selection-1109.0-1127.65

I couldn't read the article behind the paywall, but, if the honeymoon was over even before the wedding. why didn't she call it off?
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Old 03-06-2021, 04:04 PM
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Have you tried the second link - the archive?
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Old 03-06-2021, 04:05 PM
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That doesn't even make sense. Just because I walk down the street and say hello to you doesn't mean you get to break into my home and ask for tea. Everyone has a right to privacy.

Consent is a thing and it is important.
I don't think I implied that. I am saying that if they are willing to publicly discuss their private life, they can't later claim that reporting about their private life is off limits.

For example, Meghan's friends disclosed the existence of the letter in an effort to make Thomas Markle look bad. The paper didn't have a right to publish the letter, but that doesn't mean that Meghan can insist they don't write about the letter because Meghan is the leaked the letter in the first place. In other words, if tomorrow they talk about a private matter, then reporting on that matter is fair game, even if the reporting isn't sympathetic to Meghan and Harry.
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Old 03-06-2021, 04:06 PM
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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 2: December 2020-

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More information on the Sunday Times, written by Roya Nikkhah. This time on the conflict between Sussexes and Palace staff before the wedding. The idea that Meghan was unsuited to the role as senior working royals was touched on and how the Palace staff bend over backwards for her. Despite a lot of briefing from staff, Meghan still "allegedly" don't understand her role as well as the monarchy.



How Meghan became the unmerry wife of Windsor

The honeymoon was over for Meghan even before the wedding according to royal watchers who looked on aghast as the duchess’s dreams met reality at the palace

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...dsor-q0td0js6m



Here is the archive link that has the full article:

https://archive.vn/voXkU#selection-1109.0-1127.65


Ouch. The author didn’t get it right that Meghan had no friends at the wedding. Maybe she meant family- since Doria is the only known family member to attend.

But- one thing that I do buy into- the aide that said it was “drama, drama,drama” with them- and it wasn’t a good working environment. I bet. Meghan was unhappy, wasn’t the right fit for the job. She didn’t want to do the job she’d signed up for. Harry would then be unhappy. Plus- all I’ve seen from these two is drama. Loads of public drama. I can only imagine behind the scenes.

I am not saying the behavior rose to the level of bullying. I don’t know. But I can well believe it wasn’t a pleasant experience for a lot of the staff. Working for 2 miserable people who don’t have a tight reign on their emotions must have been awful.
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It might have been this article, which is a report in The Sun from Lady Colin Campbell.

https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/10...olin-campbell/
I don't believe in this article much. I do not believe that Meghan wants to run for president of the United States of America. It is true that no news about Meghan amazes me.
I also disagree with the author when she says that Harry is weak to one day be able to leave Meghan. Harry has already shown that he is capable of doing what he wants.
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