The Duchess of Sussex: Family and Background

[csw]

Originally Posted by cepe

No - opening page states
"On 27 November 2008, the retired persons of independent means immigration category was closed to new entrants. This means applicants:

• cannot enter the UK in this category
• already here in a different category cannot switch into retired persons of independent means "

Good catch. Thanks

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by Lady Reem

@Royaldancer ...Lived with him right up until till she left for college after high school?? I’m sorry but that Priddy video footage proves otherwise

Also, that man is so inconsistent with his tall tales from one interview to the next. Study all his interviews properly this time around. His stories are full of contradictions Plus I find it incredibly hard to believe this man’s version of events regarding Consular Personnel hand-delivering an official scroll to Doria of the Queen’s Instrument of Consent to H&M’s marriage. On what planet is that document anything to do with the parent(s) of somebody marrying into the BRF that Consulate Officials are dispatched to make a personal delivery?

Probably Doria's home was Meghan's official address in the US and Doria had the permission to handle Meghan's post. Thus the Consular Personnel brought the scroll to the bride's residence as it has been custom. Liek the scroll containing permission for prince Albert Edward, The Prince of Wales to marry Alexandra Princess of Denmark in the 1880s surely was hand-delivered to Amalienborg Palace....

[Somebody]

There might indeed be alternative options (not depended on Meghan). However, it looks like this specific option ended in 2008 (and can only be extended nowadays):

On 27 November 2008, the retired persons of independent means immigration category was closed to new entrants. This means applicants:

• cannot enter the UK in this category • already here in a different category cannot switch into retired persons of independent means

People who are already in the UK as a retired person of independent means can apply:

• to extend their stay up to a maximum period of 5 years • for indefinite leave to remain

Dependants of a person with leave in this category can enter the UK providing they meet the entry requirements

[hel]

Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

About the claim Dad made about not getting a copy of the Instrument of Consent: how would he know Doria was given a copy by reps from the British consulate? It would have been reported if she did and I don't she called him and told him. Also, here is the Instrument of Consent

https://www.royal.uk/instrument-consent

The image of the Consent was all over the news and social media, yet Dad claimed the words "My Lords" was in the document. That phrase is not found in the I of C. If. Dad is spinning tales don't say things that can be fact checked.

The wording that he's quoting is from the minutes of the March Privy Council meeting in which the Queen provided her assent.

http://privycouncil.independent.gov....ess-Part-1.pdf

It makes no sense that a scroll would be made of that particular piece of government administration.

Worth noting, the Instrument of Consent was actually signed with the Great Seal in May, not in March.

[Pranter]

Originally Posted by Winnie

Maybe she just doesn't want to move. Not all parents want to move closer to their children when they marry. We have our own nice independent lives with personal friends. We raised our independent children to follow their dreams while we kept ours. Visits when we want, ok. Change our entire lifestyle, maybe when sick or starting to need physical or mental help, fine. But, unlike 15 years ago, today instant communication thru emails, texts, sky cams, etc. daily is wonderful and still loving while keeping independence. That is what we always wanted for our children, for them to follow their dreams and be happy. I am sure Meghan and her mom are still doing just that and both happy in their own skin while loving each other completely.

This is true until the grandkids come along then many folks want to be as close as they can so they can spend time with them as they grow up. That's how it was for us. Prior to the grandkids we did our own thing.....now I can't imagine having to live across the country from the grandkids. ..only seeing them a few times a year.


LaRae

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by cepe

Also found this (under application for family visa)

Your child must be living in the UK. One of the following must also be true:
1. Are a British citizen
2. Be settled in the UK (they have ‘indefinite leave to remain’ or proof of permanent residence)

3. if you’re applying in the UK, they’ve lived in the UK for 7 years continuously and it would not be reasonable for them to leave

Only #2 could apply but obviously depends on Meghan's Visa status and we do not known that definitively.

However, Doria doesn't meet the requirements for the parent visa as per the following requirements:

Your child must either:
be under 18 on the date you apply
have been under 18 when you first applied for the visa and not live an independent life
Your child is living an independent life if, for example, they’ve left home, got married and had children.

Meghan is clearly living an independent life and doesn't need her mom to be around (next to not being under 18; nor did Doria apply when she was under 18).

[Lady Reem]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

Probably Doria's home was Meghan's official address in the US and Doria had the permission to handle Meghan's post. Thus the Consular Personnel brought the scroll to the bride's residence as it has been custom. Liek the scroll containing permission for prince Albert Edward, The Prince of Wales to marry Alexandra Princess of Denmark in the 1880s surely was hand-delivered to Amalienborg Palace....

And yet Meghan was already here living in the U.K. and engaged to be married long before that document was issued. She was an adult not a child under Doria’s care. Moreover, prior to moving over, she was based for almost 7 years in Canada. I just don’t see the logic in the scenario you presented plus Thomas Markle’s whining is to do with Doria supposedly having received an official copy of the Instrument of Consent, meant for her keep, NOT Meghan.

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by cepe

No - opening page states
"On 27 November 2008, the retired persons of independent means immigration category was closed to new entrants. This means applicants:

• cannot enter the UK in this category
• already here in a different category cannot switch into retired persons of independent means "


Also found this (under application for family visa)

Your child must be living in the UK. One of the following must also be true:
1. Are a British citizen
2. Be settled in the UK (they have ‘indefinite leave to remain’ or proof of permanent residence)

3. if you’re applying in the UK, they’ve lived in the UK for 7 years continuously and it would not be reasonable for them to leave

Only #2 could apply but obviously depends on Meghan's Visa status and we do not known that definitively.

Meghan could hire her as her nanny and claim that the unique relationship is the important point on wanting to hire her and then there is a good chance for Doria to get a working visa for the UK. There are so many possibilities... The government might give her a diplomate's visa and passport like I'm sure Meghan has, otherwise she couldn't travel with Prince Harry that easily. Constantine and Anne Marie of Greece and their family have a Danish diplomate visa and passport, so they can live in London.

[cepe]

This is a link to part of the Gov website which answers the questions - "Are you eligible"

Give it a try and see what you think.

https://www.gov.uk/settle-in-the-uk/y

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by Lady Reem

And yet Meghan was already here living in the U.K. and engaged to be married long before that document was issued. She was an adult not a child under Doria’s care. Moreover, prior to moving over, she was based for almost 7 years in Canada. I just don’t see the logic in the scenario you presented plus Thomas Markle’s whining is to do with Doria supposedly having received an official copy of the Instrument of Consent, meant for her keep, NOT Meghan.

AFAIK, if you are american citizen, you have to have a known address in the country so official documents can be delivered to you. That could be a lawyer's office as well. It doesn't matter where you actually live, it is for official business and has to be in the US. Of course HM could have chose to give the papers to Meghan and Harry over tea, but if the story is true at all, I guess it was because of that.



I have US friends and while they worked at the US Army in Germany, so the US authorities knew exactly where they were, they still had to give authority to her parents along with their address to receive certain documents.

[JuliannaVictoria]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

AFAIK, if you are american citizen, you have to have a known address in the country so official documents can be delivered to you. That could be a lawyer's office as well. It doesn't matter where you actually live, it is for official business and has to be in the US. Of course HM could have chose to give the papers to Meghan and Harry over tea, but if the story is true at all, I guess it was because of that.



I have US friends and while they worked at the US Army in Germany, so the US authorities knew exactly where they were, they still had to give authority to her parents along with their address to receive certain documents.

I agree with you here. While living in Germany for two years doing a Master's degree, my official residence was in Berlin, however, I had to maintain a U.S. address, or have a U.S. address contact info. It would be the same for Meghan, even if she was moving overseas indefinitely. She is not a British citizen yet, and would need to maintain a U.S. address, if only for that reason, and her mother's address would have been more than suitable.

I'm also not stating what Tom Sr. said is true or not, BUT only that Meghan still has financial and legal responsibilities in the U.S. which would mean she has to maintain a legal U.S. mailing address. Her mother seems the likely choice.

[hel]

But wouldn't the requirement for a US address apply to US government documents?

Why would the British government be required to follow US rules in the matter of delivering official documents?

[cepe]

it seems to me that the person who wrote the article about Doria moving to the Uk has done less research than the people on this forum.

[Muhler]

Originally Posted by ACO

Hello Magazine is officially over the Markles. They say they won't be writing about them anymore.
They don't say they won't be writing about the Markles.

https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalt...new-interview/

As far as I can tell from the article Hello will not be writing more about the more sensitive details of this new interview.
They don't say they won't be writing more about the Markles.

I would indeed be very surprised if a magazine that specialize not least in royals should stop writing about a major (and ongoing!!) news story.
Some magazines actually do, but they are not aimed at an international audience.

The latest tirade by Thomas Markle is merely exposing him even more as a very childish, immature and self-centered person.
If he has indeed said to Harry that it would be better if he was dead, that nails it.
He is a man with issues. Only children, people suffering from dementia and egocentrics would say something like that.
And considering how eager he is to say he would never hurt M&H, he sure is busy doing just that. - And earning well, so why not give people the full melodramatic show?

- And you think this is about as low as it can get? Oh no!
I can easily imagine a scenario, where Thomas Markle is committed to hospital (doctors after all have to adhere to confidentiality and remain silence.) We will see daily press meetings with a Samantha Markle, (barely being able to conceal her glee) announcing how her critically ill daddy is calling for Meghan to come and visit him on his death bed, and bring Harry - so he can give them their blessing before he expires.
- That he happens to live on will be attributable to a miracle brought on by the (very temporary reconciliation...)
Can you hear the violins?

[Muhler]

Originally Posted by csw

I wonder if Doria might be able to settle in the UK as a retired person of independent means: https://assets.publishing.service.go...eans-v12_0.pdf

Presumably that can be arranged?

[Marlo]

Editor-in-Chief of HELLO tweeted, "I am very proud of @hellomag’s stance when it comes to stories like this. Read here why we put the feelings of Harry and Meghan first..."

https://twitter.com/Rosie_Nixon/stat...65543514103809

[JuliannaVictoria]

Originally Posted by hel

But wouldn't the requirement for a US address apply to US government documents?

Why would the British government be required to follow US rules in the matter of delivering official documents?

I'm not stating what Tom Sr. said is correct or not, but only that Meghan is required to maintain a legal address in the U.S. for some reasons, such as legal and financial reasons.

As for the British government, you are correct. The maintenance of U.S. domicile is for U.S. government only. Once a U.S. resident or citizen relocates out of U.S. territories, anything having to do with the new place of residence is dealt with their new residence. They would only need to have a U.S. address for again legal and financial responsibilities, i.e. voting, etc. if they are still a legal resident.

It's completely different if she were to relinquish her U.S. citizen. That's a different story all together.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by hel

The wording that he's quoting is from the minutes of the March Privy Council meeting in which the Queen provided her assent.

http://privycouncil.independent.gov....ess-Part-1.pdf

It makes no sense that a scroll would be made of that particular piece of government administration.

Worth noting, the Instrument of Consent was actually signed with the Great Seal in May, not in March.

I, for the life of me, cannot fathom where Tom, Sr. got the notion that he would even receive a copy of this Instrument of Consent. He didn't even call it what it really is but rather an "engagement announcement". Even worse, it was reported to be a valid story by a *British* tabloid that should have known the difference. Especially if they had reported on the document back when it was released.

I honestly believe that the only people that would have been given the document with all its carefully done and beautiful artwork would be Harry and Meghan as it pertains to them. Its not an generic wedding announcement nor is it an invitation or is it something everybody got but its a legal governmental document required by the Queen and her privy counsel to give assent to this marriage according to the Royal Marriage Act. Without this document, Harry's marriage would not have been recognized as valid for him to remain in the line of succession, be a Councilor of State and probably a few other things to boot.

Thomas Markle, Sr. showed his ignorance when talking about this matter. Not only ignorance but total confusion as to how things in the UK work. He sees what he wants to see and every little thing is now a slight to him. He obviously isn't willing to learn either. I'm expressly disappointed that a *British* paper (even if its a tabloid) that should have known better, proceeded to print this garbage as if it were in fact true.

Stories coming from Thomas Markle, Sr.'s mouth are getting to be from so far out in left field from a galaxy far, far away that the man has zero chance of any kind of credibility to his name and once credibility is gone, so goes respect for him as a person. He will never be able to "fix" his image. Ever.

[csw]

Originally Posted by cepe

it seems to me that the person who wrote the article about Doria moving to the Uk has done less research than the people on this forum.

Very true.

Reading the government links, it doesn't seem to me that she fits any of the categories unless she becomes dependent on Meghan and can't get affordable similar care in the US. There may be other options too. Perhaps she can visit for 6 months and go back to US for 6 months.

[Osipi]

If these stories of Doria perhaps moving to the UK persist, next up in line will be Tom, Sr. insisting that he should be given the same opportunity. That's the ticket. Move Tom to the UK and ensconce him in a palace somewhere, give him a royal title where he'll be treated as the royal father-in-law he is and perhaps even an honorary seat in the House of Lords where he can be a mouthpiece for his daughter, Samantha who we all know is a gen-u-ine humanitarian and activist that should be listened to.

Eh, the way the man is going now with his grossly exaggerated sense of self importance, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.