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Old 08-05-2018, 05:52 PM
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Maybe some would change their tune as you suggest yet I personally would never back any meeting between someone who has repeatedly betrayed me again and again all for money and attention on the world stage, that right there would destroy any chance of a meeting ever. And if that person who was the betrayer past on in life, so be it.......you move on with your life as it is the only life you have and that happened to me.....someone was so cruel and hateful to do what they did to a child and made life hell, break away and learn to live your own life and they pass on and not one tear ever fell for that parent ever to this every day. It takes total betrayal by someone to take that strong a stand in life.....for as I learned what we as individuals have is just this one time around and must make the very best of our life first........I sincerely hope Meghan know that and what a sacrifice it would be to have such a meeting with a parent who BETRAYED her time and time again.....Mental health is also one of the very reason a person needs and must take care of themselves first in life and that is a very hard lesson to learn.....but it can be done!

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It was only 2 years ago she posted this message to her Instagram. Would be a shame if things can’t be repaired between them.

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That was then and this is now, and times change and sometimes you can't go back all because of what someone did to you to make you leave them behind, this is not on Meghan, this is on Sr, and Sam and Jr......they betrayed her, she did not betray them ever........they lied, they took money for interviews, they spoke of personal info, they threatened, they are the only ones responsible for this whole mess, not Meghan here. I am sick that some think this is Meghan's fault......HOW, please explain to me how this is the fault of a girl who ask them to be quiet, not talk to the media, and they Sr does this BEHIND her back......give me a break here.....
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Old 08-05-2018, 06:02 PM
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You are right in that this is a situation that is not the ideal--but wanting and wishing it to be different isn't enough. It is very sad, but it is what it is.
I was an advocate for Meghan's dad until the GMB interview--and the info that he ignored Meghan's attempts to reach out to him right before and after the wedding. The only one who can fix this relationship is really Tom Markle Sr., if he turns himself around and stops talking to reporters.
We know that Meghan and Tom Sr. love each other very much. We know that Meghan would like her dad to be part of her life and family. They just have to sit down and talk things through. Tom have to stop talking to the media about their problems, because the media have no business getting involved with their personal relationship.

I just hope things are worked out. There shouldn’t be any petty drama getting in between this family. Meghan need the support of both her parents and Harry and Tom should be establishing a good relationship with each other. Tom will be a grandfather to those Sussex babies in the future and I know he'll want to be a present grandad.
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Old 08-05-2018, 06:12 PM
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We know that Meghan and Tom Sr. love each other very much. We know that Meghan would like her dad to be part of her life and family. They just have to sit down and talk things through. Tom have to stop talking to the media about their problems, because the media have no business getting involved with their personal relationship.

I just hope things are worked out. There shouldn’t be any petty drama getting in between this family. Meghan need the support of both her parents and Harry and Tom should be establishing a good relationship with each other. Tom will be a grandfather to those Sussex babies in the future and I know he'll want to be a present grandad.
I agree with all you've said, it is awful when a family is torn apart. I just don't see how it is possible to work things out unless Dad chooses a different path. Maybe Meghan & Harry could make him understand the situation if he doesn't and forgive him if he changes, but that is a big IF.

As far as reconciling with Samantha--I don't think that will ever occur as Samantha doesn't want that and she has been pretty clear about her feelings about Meghan over the past 2 years. She has been truly hateful.
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Old 08-05-2018, 06:33 PM
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The Mirror is putting out more details on this "family reunion"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mir...n-13037689.amp

Meghan allegedly instructed palace staff to call Dad. If this is true this shows she still doesn't trust him or she would have called him herself. I still think the meeting is a bad idea but it looks like she's going to call the shots. With KP staff involved it's on the record what transpires. Location would be set by the palace to lessen the chance the tabloids will be bugging the room. Dad may be searched for audio or video devices and also have his cell phone confiscated before talks begin. If dad gives an interview to Piers or anyone, or it gets back to the half sibs and they talk Dad will be cut off for good. Dad can forget future royal grandchildren and not count on a Sussex child take a Markle family name.
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Old 08-05-2018, 06:38 PM
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I do think that a face-to-face meeting should have happened before the engagement was announced. Especially since at that point the intention was for Tom Markle to be part of the wedding; they even asked him to join them in announcing the engagement.

I can't help suspecting that Markle tried to parlay that (His participation in the wedding) into certain conditions - conditions that Meghan had no intention of fulfilling.

Maybe it concerned a blanket invitation for other family members, maybe it involved financial support...I don't know.

But I do believe some form of extortion was part of it.
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Old 08-05-2018, 06:56 PM
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Honestly, I think it is a stretch saying that we know these two people "love each other very much" .... we don't know that. There is no way we can know that. It is best to let the parties involved make these decisions.
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Old 08-05-2018, 06:57 PM
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@Mirabel - I don't know about the engagement announcement but if Dad demands money at this alleged meeting he crosses into extortion. If he doesn't want the Miranda warning read to him he better not try.
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Old 08-05-2018, 06:57 PM
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That was then and this is now, and times change and sometimes you can't go back all because of what someone did to you to make you leave them behind, this is not on Meghan, this is on Sr, and Sam and Jr......they betrayed her, she did not betray them ever........they lied, they took money for interviews, they spoke of personal info, they threatened, they are the only ones responsible for this whole mess, not Meghan here. I am sick that some think this is Meghan's fault......HOW, please explain to me how this is the fault of a girl who ask them to be quiet, not talk to the media, and they Sr does this BEHIND her back......give me a break here.....
How right you are ! Of course !
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Old 08-05-2018, 07:02 PM
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The Mirror is putting out more details on this "family reunion"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mir...n-13037689.amp
Yeps. That's the ticket. Alert the Mirror to all the details. Why don't I think its credible at all? Hmmmm.....

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Old 08-05-2018, 07:04 PM
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We know that Meghan and Tom Sr. love each other very much. We know that Meghan would like her dad to be part of her life and family. They just have to sit down and talk things through. Tom have to stop talking to the media about their problems, because the media have no business getting involved with their personal relationship.
No, we don't know that. Tom's action show that he loves himself far more than his daughter. It could be that he is incapable of showing the love that might be somewhere deep down. Meghan so far indeed showed that she cares (her own words!) about her father by repeatedly forgiving him for his stupid actions and still wanting him to be part of her wedding. And currently, she clearly doesn't want him in her life or he would have been able to contact her directly and she would be talking to him regularly.

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I just hope things are worked out. There shouldn’t be any petty drama getting in between this family. Meghan need the support of both her parents and Harry and Tom should be establishing a good relationship with each other. Tom will be a grandfather to those Sussex babies in the future and I know he'll want to be a present grandad.
I think most of us hope that things work out but not because of all the blackmailing but because I would wish that for any family. I don't see how Meghan needs the support of a man who has shown no respect for her boundaries nor is willing to follow her requests that she set in place to support her in this journey. Normalizing the situation somewhat would be great but I don't see him ever having an important role in her support system (he is currently the one she needs to be protected from!). In other situations, it would of course be great if family members support you when entering a new life but unfortunately Meghan is not that lucky.

If he truly wants to be a present granddad he should start with the grandchildren he has. I am afraid he mainly is interested in them because of their father and because they will be in line to the British throne.

But as you said yourself, it's all up to Meghan and not to either one of us. So, maybe we should leave out the 'should' this and 'have to' that.
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Old 08-05-2018, 07:35 PM
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Honestly, I think it is a stretch saying that we know these two people "love each other very much" .... we don't know that. There is no way we can know that. It is best to let the parties involved make these decisions.
Before all this mess got out of hand, both Tom and Meghan have spoken very lovingly about each other. We do know the mutual love is there, but of course parents and children have their ups and downs. That’s just the facts of life.

People have to put their own anger over the Markle Debacle to aside and let any form of meetings take place. The only ones that can calm the waters for a more peaceful family future is Tom and Meghan.
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Old 08-05-2018, 07:39 PM
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We know that Meghan and Tom Sr. love each other very much. We know that Meghan would like her dad to be part of her life and family. They just have to sit down and talk things through. Tom have to stop talking to the media about their problems, because the media have no business getting involved with their personal relationship.

I just hope things are worked out. There shouldn’t be any petty drama getting in between this family. Meghan need the support of both her parents and Harry and Tom should be establishing a good relationship with each other. Tom will be a grandfather to those Sussex babies in the future and I know he'll want to be a present grandad.
Please tell me how you or anyone knows just what Meghan is thinking? I do not know what she wants to do and it is Her decision and some forget here one very important FACT.......she has someone in her life that has lived through this time of betrayal and hate, her HUSBAND and if anyone is an influence on her that would be Harry first and foremost.........she will want to make the very best decisions for herself and her marriage going forth........

Maybe some here do not understand betrayal or the lack of TRUST between people for they might not have experienced that in life. Meghan has experienced that starting before her marriage by Sam and then Jr and now her father.....I would not wish that man to be anyone's father on this earth, would anyone here? Just take a very long look at this other children and how he treats them, Meghan is all he cares about and it shows all the time......why, she married a member of the BRF that is the only reason he wants contact with her...not love that a parent has for a child for he has shown no love for Meghan and why can;t people see that?
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Old 08-05-2018, 07:41 PM
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People have to put their own anger over the Markle Debacle to aside and let any form of meetings take place. The only ones that can calm the waters for a more peaceful family future is Tom and Meghan.
People don't have to do anything as people have absolutely nothing to do with the situation at all. All people can do is look at things from the outside looking in and comment and have opinions on it all. What happens, happens.
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Old 08-05-2018, 07:42 PM
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Letter to Dad, delivered by palace lawyers. You have made it crystal clear that you do not love or respect me. I accept and will say good-bye. If you change your mind and accept my terms, let me know, through the lawyers. Meg
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Old 08-05-2018, 07:54 PM
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Before all this mess got out of hand, both Tom and Meghan have spoken very lovingly about each other. We do know the mutual love is there, but of course parents and children have their ups and downs. That’s just the facts of life.

People have to put their own anger over the Markle Debacle to aside and let any form of meetings take place. The only ones that can calm the waters for a more peaceful family future is Tom and Meghan.
Nobody is doing anything to prevent Tom and Meghan from meeting (well, except for Tom himself, the tabloids who work with him and anyone who is setting him up against his own daughter). So, I don't see what role 'people' could have in all of this.


Before all this mess happened Meghan and her dad didn't think it important enough for Tom to meet Harry, so not a sign of them having a close relationship at all (they might have had at some point in the past but that's not a reason for people who don't know them to force them into meeting each other because he is blackmailing her. He clearly wasn't that important in her life but suddenly wants to be very important just because she became a royal duchess... and is willing to make her life as hard as possible. Not so loving...
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Old 08-05-2018, 07:57 PM
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Samantha's story keeps changing. Her publicist, Rob Cooper and the Sun's Dan Wootton are friends.
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Old 08-05-2018, 08:31 PM
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I agree with many of you and Osipi. Trip to U.S. is Rumour. Just that a rumour. If it were a secret trip then we wouldn't hear about it.
Meghan is trying to get pregnant and doesn't need negative Markle debacles dogging her every thought. I firmly believe in striving for happy harmonious families. But what we have seen from the Markles is that they don't want this. Very sad situation. No one here would want their private life and thoughts splashed all over the front pages.
I would prefer to see our newly weds keep to themselves and carry on with their duties and hopefully start a family very soon.
Once settled into a routine then they can see about dealing with Dad.
The silent treatment I believe is best for now.
And yes I would love to see Doria move to the UK when Harry and Meghan are blessed with a little one. Even if it is only for a month or two. A new Mum needs that nurturing help from her own mum.

Just my opinion folks.
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Old 08-05-2018, 08:34 PM
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Samantha's story keeps changing. Her publicist, Rob Cooper and the Sun's Dan Wootton are friends.

Wait, Sam has a publicist????? Oy vey.
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Old 08-05-2018, 08:40 PM
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Nobody is doing anything to prevent Tom and Meghan from meeting (well, except for Tom himself, the tabloids who work with him and anyone who is setting him up against his own daughter). So, I don't see what role 'people' could have in all of this.


Before all this mess happened Meghan and her dad didn't think it important enough for Tom to meet Harry, so not a sign of them having a close relationship at all (they might have had at some point in the past but that's not a reason for people who don't know them to force them into meeting each other because he is blackmailing her. He clearly wasn't that important in her life but suddenly wants to be very important just because she became a royal duchess... and is willing to make her life as hard as possible. Not so loving...
Oh, I think her father did think it important, absolutely no doubt in my mind that is where all this came from. The fact that Meghan didn't think it important to introduce her fiance speaks volumes.

He was important enough for her to send him Father's Day posts from her Instagram account and various other mentions right up until the day of the wedding. Or was all that just a facade to keep the outside world from knowing how broken their relationship was and had been for years?
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The most fortunate thing about Meghan's father initially being too cowardly to look Meghan, Harry, the Queen, etc in the eye after getting caught staging photos is that he never met Harry or had any actual interaction with the Royal family. That's the trump card Meghan and Harry currently have, but once they give it up it's gone forever. Right now the only actual scandal is the British tabloids exploitation of her family. Meghan meets with her father and she legitmatizes and validates him and all future comments he makes to the media. Italso opens up claims he was paid off for his silence, which the media would then turn into an actual scandal. Misuse of tax payer funds Eve 8f they aren't technically tax payer funds is what gets
the Royals in actual scandal. It's the cover up that always gets people in trouble. There's reason the media is pushing for a meeting because otherwise the story is dead. Anyone wanting Meghan and Harry to meet her father has to justify why that's worth the risk of giving up the trump card.
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