The Duchess of Sussex: Family and Background

[Dman]

Originally Posted by Osipi

Right about now, anything and everything tried would result in things getting worse. Even far worse than if nothing is done.

What scenario do you think would actually work? What would you recommend being done that assures things of not getting worse?

Listen,

I know I’m alone on the forums in thinking that Mr. Markle and Meghan and Harry should sit down and talk things out and come to some understandings, but it’s the only way I can think of calming the Markle Debacle down and putting it in the past.

Now perhaps these talks could involve Sam and Tom Jr., but I’m just focusing on Meghan’s dad at the moment.

Of course I could be totally wrong here.

I admit that the party meeting under one roof could be completely useless. But I truly believe a face to face meeting between Tom, Meghan and Harry is very much needed. They could spend some good quality time together in private and just talk about the issues that’s causing this mess. This meeting could take place where Mr. Markle lives or in the UK.

At least let’s give this face to face meeting a try.

[Lady Nimue]

Originally Posted by Dman

Listen, I know I’m alone on the forums in thinking that Mr. Markle and Meghan and Harry should sit down and talk things out and come to some understandings, but it’s the only way I can think of calming the Markle Debacle down and putting it in the past.

Now perhaps these talks could involve Sam and Tom Jr., but I’m just focusing on Meghan’s dad at the moment.

Of course I could be totally wrong here. I admit that party meeting under one roof could be completely useless. But I truly believe a face to face meeting between Tom, Meghan and Harry is very much needed. They could spend some good quality time together in private and just talk about the issues that’s causing this mess. This meeting could take place where Mr. Markle lives or in the UK. At least let’s give this face to face meeting a try.

What's causing 'this mess' are the tabloids and money. That is not going to change anytime soon. (Prepare for the long haul, get used to it). This is not a function of what goes on between the Markles and Meghan (though the tabloids are loving that scenario as Piers Morgan is demonstrating).

The tabloids want Meghan to dance a jig, and keep on dancing to their tune. It's a no-win because it's not about 'fixing' anything. The only solution will be an injunction and I'm pretty certain the tabloids are making dead certain the line is not crossed to hurt their cash cow.

[Osipi]

How in the world can something like you're suggesting even be a possibility when there is ample reason to believe that even should that cozy, family get together happen, there is the distinct possibility that one of that cozy, family get together has proven time and time again he's a wolf in sheep's clothing and there are packs of his fellow wolves eager to relate to the public each and every statement uttered in that cozy, family get together.

What is seriously missing from this scenario is that in order for it even to be a cozy, family get together, all parties involved would need to *trust* each other. Trust is earned and not a right. Betrayal of trust shatters it into a gazillion pieces that can't be put back together again as a whole. Meghan and Harry, at this time, have absolutely no reason whatsoever to *trust* her father in any sense of the word. He's proven that time and time again.

[Rudolph]

Dman, you’re wasting your time. You obviously aren’t on the same page as everyone else, and no matter what you say it’ll be wrong.

Meghan is not to talk to her dad. Period. Dissenting opinions need not apply.

[M. Payton]

Lady Nimue
Your comment brought something to mind, the tabloids in the past had Harry's mother dancing to their tune without her knowing how to dance to her own tune so to speak, she gave interviews, things got leaked to the media that the whole affair between husband and wife became a horror story for the entire world, both Harry and William learned those lessons in life the very deep and difficult way the media operates.....they lessons are implanted in them to this day and are taken very seriously as we have seen.

Meghan is her own person and the media is trying to *force* her hand into doing something that would back fire on her in a second......

Just look at Meghan yesterday in all those pictures, what I saw a very happy, centered, well adjusted, deeply in love and very well accepted within the BRF and the friends of the BRF also. Meghan knows who she is and what she has and no way in hell is giving this up for a talk with family that can never be trusted again for THEY have proven her that.......Meghan reached the pinnacles of her life and will go even higher with Harry in their works together to help those that need it........I hope I read her right that she is one strong, tough and intelligent lady who knows her own mind and will keep it centered on her and Harry's life together.....as it should be and what their vows meant to each other.

One very important lesson in life about one word only...........TRUST

TRUST can be gained in life in drops of time and then lost in life in buckets of time all because of being .....BETRAYED by those that claim they love you because ..............I sure hope Meghan has learned that lesson in life for it will save her much grief in life...

[Marlo]

Originally Posted by Rudolph

That’s not Roya’s article though.

You might want to re-read Roya's article. Where do you think she got the information from? She got it from Coleman-Rayner's article. Andrew Morton is the source.

[Osipi]

Y'know Rudolph, I would be more than happy to have something happen that resolves this conflict between Harry and Meghan and her father and that things could go into the future with Tom, Sr. being the proud dad and grandfather and being part and parcel of their lives happily ever after. Differences and family feuds and hurt feelings and estrangements do no good for the soul and I'm rather a pacifist at heart and would more than welcome a happily ever after.

*From what we know of the situation that exists*, there doesn't seem to be a concise and plausible and effective solution to a private problem in a family that the tabloids have latched onto to create a war with and rake in the green dollars. We can only form opinions on the reality that we see and go from there.

Where it all will go and what will happen next, none of us know. Even my crystal ball and my runes refuse to tell me and I keep drawing the blank tarot card that remains blank.

[Dman]

All I’m saying, these folks have to meet and say some few syllables to each other or matters will get worse.

It was a mistake for Mr. Markle and Harry to not have met after the engagement announcement. That meeting should’ve taken place by now. The summer is here. The royals are off. Take this downtime to meet. Have a sit down with some cake and coffee or tea and talk.

If talks fail, then there’s nothing can be done. Over the phone won’t cut it. Face to face talks can go a long way.

[M. Payton]

Okay you stated ......*Matter will get worse*

So I ask ...*How will matters get worse*?

Are the Markle's going to storm KP or BP with guns blazing, is the monarchy going to disappear all because the media and the Markle's are not getting their own way, is Parliament going to ban Meghan from living in the UK, is the media going to shut down the BRF for good........what, how are matters going to be worse?

More interview, more tweets, more lies, more slime, more threats, more what?

Just an honest question here that is all......

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Dman

Listen,

I know I’m alone on the forums in thinking that Mr. Markle and Meghan and Harry should sit down and talk things out and come to some understandings, but it’s the only way I can think of calming the Markle Debacle down and putting it in the past.

Now perhaps these talks could involve Sam and Tom Jr., but I’m just focusing on Meghan’s dad at the moment.

Of course I could be totally wrong here.

I admit that the party meeting under one roof could be completely useless. But I truly believe a face to face meeting between Tom, Meghan and Harry is very much needed. They could spend some good quality time together in private and just talk about the issues that’s causing this mess. This meeting could take place where Mr. Markle lives or in the UK.

At least let’s give this face to face meeting a try.

I do think that a face-to-face meeting should have happened before the engagement was announced. Especially since at that point the intention was for Tom Markle to be part of the wedding; they even asked him to join them in announcing the engagement. That's where the main mistake was by Meghan and Harry. All later grave mistakes seem to be on the part of her father. If he somehow shows remorse and verifiable changes his behavior that might be a basis for talks in the future.

In the current situation it is far more likely to blow up in their face than to mend anything. As I said previously, Meghan is the one who is best able to judge whether there is at least a small chance of it being successful. If it would be, I think she'd try.

If she knows in advance it is completely useless and just provides more ammunition to the Markle family and therefore to the tabloids the current policy of completely ignoring him is probably the best - as I don't really see how it could get 'worse' when doing nothing. It is bad and it will remain bad and prolonging and worsening the ordeal by giving the tabloids more ammunition to write about every little detail of some meeting gone wrong for months to come is not helpful at all.

[Osipi]

Something else that may prove to be an asset to keep in mind. Most everything we know about any of the e(strange)d relationship between Meghan, her father and half siblings have all been generated and gleaned from the media which, of course, has its own agenda in all of this.

We have no clue or any kind of an inkling of Meghan's feelings in all this or any solutions they're tossing about or what they plan to do. We, effectively, have been "frozen out" in this regard as much as the Markles and the press have been.

Its actually none of our business to begin with when we think about it.

[soapstar]

At the end of the day, this is Meghan's decision. None of us know how she really feels, or what is going on behind the scenes regarding her family. If she feels that meeting her father and working on their relationship is the best solution, then so be it. Folks may not like it, but it's not our relationship. This is between Meghan and her dad.

[duchessrachel]

Originally Posted by Tarlita

Meghan could always meet up with her mum Doria in New York or somewhere else on the east coast rather than fly all the way to California. Now wouldn't that put a spoke into P.Ms plans. Not to mention the Markles plans, if they didn't know about it before hand.

This just makes me think. I know Doria is her own person and has her own life, but I would just love it if she moved to England to be near her grandchildren when Meghan and Harry have children. Wouldn't that be wonderful? Then Meghan and Doria could spend all the time the want together without the press and their prying eyes taking notes everytime she goes to California to see Doria and doesn't go to Mexico to see Tom, Sr. That would really put a kink in the press and the Markles attempts to "shame" her in that respect.

Originally Posted by Osipi

That's a high apple pie in the sky hope. Do you honestly think there is a way this could happen and resolve things peacefully at this time like mature adults? I'm not seeing it at all.

Speaking of high apple pie in the sky hopes, there's a verse to the lyrics of that song that remind me of Thomas Markle, Sr. right about now.

Once there was a silly old ram
Thought he'd punch a hole in a dam
No one could make that ram, scram
He kept buttin' that dam

The man also has high apple pie in the sky hopes.

I agree. There is nothing to resolve. Meghan and Harry tried to help her father deal with the media attention and he threw it back in their face. From Tom, Sr. own mouth, he said they offered to come see him, but he told them not to. Then he hired a photographer to take pictures of him getting fitted for a suit. Harry and Meghan forgave him. Then he threw that in their face and began to collude with the press behind their back and sold them out. Meghan and Harry have done nothing wrong. When they realized that he did not want help and only wanted to sell them out, they cut off contact. In the position they are in in the British Royal Family, they can't have a close relationship with someone who is not trustworthy or dependable. He has proven he is a loose cannon and could easily twist any conversation they have or even make up a lie about something that was said in their conversations. If she does decide to talk to him, it will not be private for the reasons listed above. Tom, Sr. won't like that so talking to him will just make things worse. If Tom, Sr. can't stand up and be the father he is supposed to be, there will be no relationship. Tom Sr, Samantha, and Tom Jr. have made their own uncomfortable bed. They are going to have to lie in it. Just my opinion.

[Dman]

Originally Posted by soapstar

At the end of the day, this is Meghan's decision. None of us know how she really feels, or what is going on behind the scenes regarding her family. If she feels that meeting her father and working on their relationship is the best solution, then so be it. Folks may not like it, but it's not our relationship. This is between Meghan and her dad.

I agree. We have to let them work this out in the way they see fit. I see the positive side of a meeting and talking.

[ladongas]

Originally Posted by Dman

I agree. We have to let them work this out in the way they see fit. I see the positive side of a meeting and talking.

I, too, think that an attempt at rapprochement must be made. If the father and daughter did, indeed, have a reasonable relationship before this, then repairing it may be possible. If my elderly parent suddenly became unreasonable, I would want to find out the reasons for it myself. Having a short (and well-chaperoned)
meeting between Meghan (and Harry) and Markle Sr. might be enough to cool the situation off. Taking the high road can’t make Meghan look bad, and she will feel better for it.

Many children have forgiven their parents- and vice-versa- much worse things than indiscreet rambling to the press.

[Lady Reem]

Originally Posted by duchessrachel

I agree. There is nothing to resolve. Meghan and Harry tried to help her father deal with the media attention and he threw it back in their face. From Tom, Sr. own mouth, he said they offered to come see him, but he told them not to. Then he hired a photographer to take pictures of him getting fitted for a suit. Harry and Meghan forgave him. Then he threw that in their face and began to collude with the press behind their back and sold them out. Meghan and Harry have done nothing wrong. When they realized that he did not want help and only wanted to sell them out, they cut off contact. In the position they are in in the British Royal Family, they can't have a close relationship with someone who is not trustworthy or dependable. He has proven he is a loose cannon and could easily twist any conversation they have or even make up a lie about something that was said in their conversations. If she does decide to talk to him, it will not be private for the reasons listed above. Tom, Sr. won't like that so talking to him will just make things worse. If Tom, Sr. can't stand up and be the father he is supposed to be, there will be no relationship. Tom Sr, Samantha, and Tom Jr. have made their own uncomfortable bed. They are going to have to lie in it. Just my opinion.

This is a man who publicly defends Samantha’s atrocious 2yr bullying. And even blames Meghan for it. No wonder he never spoke out to defend Meghan against this cruelty all that time.

Everyone is different but I’d find it hard to embrace a proven liar of a man who publicly insults & belittles my mum. A man who has no scruples dragging a long deceased woman into his mess in order to manipulate.

Let’s not forget that this is someone who courted the media. He contacted TMZ according to them. And he did that in the week leading up to the wedding and made it all about him.

[American Observer7]

Originally Posted by Dman

All I’m saying, these folks have to meet and say some few syllables to each other or matters will get worse.

It was a mistake for Mr. Markle and Harry to not have met after the engagement announcement. That meeting should’ve taken place by now. The summer is here. The royals are off. Take this downtime to meet. Have a sit down with some cake and coffee or tea and talk.

If talks fail, then there’s nothing can be done. Over the phone won’t cut it. Face to face talks can go a long way.

Most of us would prefer Meghan not speak to her father again. That is where I am now. However, Thomas Markle is 74, and suppose something happens to him and they have not spoken or made peace? Do we really want that guilt and anguish for her? Think about it! Seriously!!

I am thinking maybe she needs to go see him, she and Harry and let him know things have changed between. Just be kind but lay it on the line firmly.

[Zaira]

Originally Posted by soapstar

At the end of the day, this is Meghan's decision. None of us know how she really feels, or what is going on behind the scenes regarding her family. If she feels that meeting her father and working on their relationship is the best solution, then so be it. Folks may not like it, but it's not our relationship. This is between Meghan and her dad.

Meghan knows her dad so if she decides to meet with him and he shuts up and respects her pleas? Excellent! That would be the best outcome.

If she meets him and he still acts a fool, well then she tried and that is all you can do. Although I suspect many here would somehow change tune and find fault if she did meet up with him...

[Rudolph]

It was only 2 years ago she posted this message to her Instagram. Would be a shame if things can’t be repaired between them.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Djso0hYUYAA3nvf.jpg

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by Dman

Both -Father and daughter- should be talking to each other. I could care less about Sam and Tom Jr., but at least Mr. Markle and Meghan can help calm things down between them.

You are right in that this is a situation that is not the ideal--but wanting and wishing it to be different isn't enough. It is very sad, but it is what it is.
I was an advocate for Meghan's dad until the GMB interview--and the info that he ignored Meghan's attempts to reach out to him right before and after the wedding. The only one who can fix this relationship is really Tom Markle Sr., if he turns himself around and stops talking to reporters.