The Duchess of Sussex: Family and Background - Page 71

Madame Verseau · #**1401** 07-31-2018, 07:34 PM

I still think Celebrity Big Brother is going to Sam the old heave-ho and not put her on the show. The press is turning on the Markles and the show risks taking a ratings hit by putting her own. The Dooleys were dumped as "wedding correspondents"; the same could happen here.

Osipi · #**1402** 07-31-2018, 08:10 PM

From what I've read, it seems like CBB is heading into its final season and then going off into the sunset to a house far, far away. They may figure as its the last season, what have they got to lose and go big with who they bring "home".

All participants are slated to be those that have been caught up in media storms and Samantha thoroughly fits that bill. We'll just have to wait and see what happens. Its not on my agenda to wait with bated breath as I don't care for the "reality" brand of shows anywhere but I'm sure our UK viewers will keep us informed on updates.

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duchessrachel · #**1404** 07-31-2018, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ACO

I think the interest in Thomas definitely picked up recently because no one expected this from him. Now that he has exposed himself the shift has been against him. I keep seeing articles putting out his clear emotional abuse. Charlie Proctor surprising just put out an article.

The interst in the others has died. No one listens to the Dooley or Samantha. Thomas was the shock and I’m sure we have move of that 9 hour interview to come. But after this? I think it’s done. What more can he say?

But no doubt the next Sussex milestone will bring them out again.

I agree we will see Part 2 of that interview the next time Meghan has an engagement.

Marlo · #**1405** 07-31-2018, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by duchessrachel

I agree we will see Part 2 of that interview the next time Meghan has an engagement.

I think we will see more of that interview on Meghan's birthday.

ACO · #**1406** 07-31-2018, 10:48 PM

For sure! Her birthday is Saturday, so just in time for the Sunday covers.

Fros · #**1407** 08-01-2018, 01:25 AM

I think before their strategy was to see Meghan's reaction and to see if she breaks so they would release the stories just before her engagements.

When they see she isn't letting of the strain show and saw that her appearances quickly wiped out their disgusting articles and changed the news cycle to her engagement leaving very little time for the public to remember ber what the article was.

Now the game seems to be to try to capture and remain in the news cycle the longest. If they release it just after her engagements they can capture the new cycle for weeks and have their articles leave a bigger impression because an appearence from her detracts all attention from the article.

American Observer7 · #**1408** 08-01-2018, 07:01 AM

I wish Ms. Doria would talk to Meghan's father and explain to him that it is not just because he has said a few critical words about the RF. It's all the recent interviews and him being paid for them and doing it without talking to them first and revealing personal conversations with Harry in the media. Meghan doesn't trust her dad now.

Since he doesn't get it, maybe the other parent should explain it and make it clear to him and tell him bluntly to just shut up.

ACO · #**1409** 08-01-2018, 07:39 AM

I don't want Doria anywhere near this man. They have attacked her as well. She doesn't need that in her life and anything she says they will twist and use against her. This mess is common sense. He knows he is wrong, he just does not care. So it is best they all do as they are doing and just ignore him.

AdmirerUS · #**1410** 08-01-2018, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by American Observer7

I wish Ms. Doria would talk to Meghan's father and explain to him that it is not just because he has said a few critical words about the RF. It's all the recent interviews and him being paid for them and doing it without talking to them first and revealing personal conversations with Harry in the media. Meghan doesn't trust her dad now.

Since he doesn't get it, maybe the other parent should explain it and make it clear to him and tell him bluntly to just shut up.

What about anything we seem to know about this family makes you think that Doria could "tell him bluntly" and that he would change his behavior?

Everything I have read about him and seen from him leads me to believe he may have once been a stand up kinda guy, but he is now weak, attention-seeking and irredeemable.

Princess · #**1411** 08-01-2018, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by American Observer7

I wish Ms. Doria would talk to Meghan's father and explain to him that it is not just because he has said a few critical words about the RF. It's all the recent interviews and him being paid for them and doing it without talking to them first and revealing personal conversations with Harry in the media. Meghan doesn't trust her dad now.

Since he doesn't get it, maybe the other parent should explain it and make it clear to him and tell him bluntly to just shut up.

He might run (for money for sure) to the next willing reporter stating
1. he was threatend by Doria
2. the Duchess is afraid because the BRF does not allow her to talk to him
3. nobody has the right to tell him what to say
(you may complete this list)

I guess he pretty much has plenty of "explanations" in order to embellish a simple request

Kataryn · #**1412** 08-01-2018, 09:50 AM

Since I realised how "classically" my mother abused me and how my first choice for a husband wonderfully fit in with that (I even let a, at looking back, wonderful man go because he "cared too much for me" - how crazy is that? Well, parental abuse!) I tried to help others with this trauma, so have some experience.

I am so glad that Meghan has Harry. That she is well protected as a member of the RF. That she (like Diana, though Diana didn't want it) is probably offered the best therapeutic help available in Britain to get through that. That there is Charles and Camilla who can help her on having had their own experiences with harassment. That HM likes her and might be able to give her a sense of where her life and her personal feelings are within the world's happenings - and that in a nice way.

For me it feels as if Harry found "his" version of what he loved in Diana - the charisma, the love, the caring, the problems (! Yes, and now he is old enough to do something about it!!) and the incredible potential for happiness Diana couldn't find but IMHO carried with her like a beacon. I so hope they will be happy forever.

Osipi · #**1413** 08-01-2018, 10:35 AM

Those of us that have experienced abuse will first and foremost be the ones that tell you that its not that simple to just walk away from it. It becomes part and parcel of what you expect to be treated like and becomes learned behavior that takes a whole lot of work to combat and walk away from. It also makes us stronger as a person and, I believe, more compassionate and caring for the people we do love and care about.

Both Harry and Meghan have similar backgrounds with family dysfunction and its something they can empathize with each other on. Meghan sharing her life with Harry has done wonders for him that no therapist could ever hope to achieve and I imagine that right now with what Meghan is going through, Harry is her leaning post, her sounding board and port in storm.

I just wish that Samantha would see that her twisted ways of trying to break them up is creating the opposite effect and makes their bond even stronger in the long run. Along with Tom, Sr., they're not just attacking Meghan now, they're attacking HarryandMeghan as a united team and to quote what is said at a wedding "“What God has joined together let no man put asunder.”

I wish happiness ten fold for the Markles. If they find true happiness, there'd be no room to create unhappiness for other people. They, however, have to realize that is what is missing from their lives first.

M. Payton · #**1414** 08-01-2018, 11:00 AM

Might I say that your comment was *just Brilliant* my dear, Brilliant indeed! And we all know that learning and working each day is how we can achieve a better understanding of ourselves and that there helps others in this world.

There is nothing that draws a couple closer then the harassment that other do to them such as Sr and Sam are doing to Harry and Meghan.....

AlowVera · #**1415** 08-01-2018, 11:07 AM

The UK media are pushing Meghan to meet and communicate with someone who clearly will betray her trust for money and a platform. If Meghan is forced to meet with that person how can she be protected. If she meets with him or calls him we know the first stop after the meeting will be to visit his friends at GMB or the tabloids. I suspect he will want them to have another wedding so he can have his demented place in history.

Osipi · #**1416** 08-01-2018, 11:24 AM

If you read the Royal Family and the Media thread, Richard Palmer has stated that they are keeping the press further away from Meghan now than they were before to allow her to "adjust to her royal role". I happen to think there's a strategy unseen behind this. Its being done to prevent the media from shouting out questions to her that she may not want to answer and capture her expression when asked to build a "response" article. "Meghan scowls when asked about her father" kind of thing.

They're protecting Meghan as much as they possibly can while allowing her to continue to do what she does. The backlash from the media is expected as they want to hear what she says, capture her expressions and generally everything and anything they can get their grubby hands on. This tells me that the PTB acknowledge that along with Meghan's e(strange)d family, the media has been playing its part in this drama also and won't give them an inch.

To me, this is a definitive move because of the situation at hand. Words aren't necessary.

jacqui24 · #**1417** 08-01-2018, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Osipi

Those of us that have experienced abuse will first and foremost be the ones that tell you that its not that simple to just walk away from it. It becomes part and parcel of what you expect to be treated like and becomes learned behavior that takes a whole lot of work to combat and walk away from. It also makes us stronger as a person and, I believe, more compassionate and caring for the people we do love and care about.

THIS. And people need to realize that it's not that simple. It's not a black and white situation.

There are two things that some people don't realize unless they go through it that I've personally found very difficult to deal with:

1. It's not all or nothing. No one wants to have abusive parents. And when you do, it also doesn't mean you don't love them. That's what makes it hard. This isn't a stranger that's hurling insults at you and you can just give them the middle finger and get on with your day. A lot of people don't walk away immediately or even try to find a way that can allow that person in their life in a limited capacity with boundaries because there are other good things about this person. In a lot of ways, an abusive relationship with a parent is even more difficult to navigate than any other relationship. Most of them aren't all evil. They have good moments and they do build a bond. The severity of each case is different and that why it's up to the person to decide if they have to completely walk away or carefully navigate a solution that has boundaries. And that's why I've always deferred to whatever Meghan wants to do with her father. Although it's clear that as long as he keeps talking to the press, there is no way they can come to any kind of reconciliation because he's not respecting any boundaries. And that's the key for those that are able to maintain some contact, boundaries and knowing when to walk away and not let it affect you.

2. Children who has had to walk away from parents often carry a lot of guilt that takes years to work through. That's why I posted the article earlier this week regarding guilt. And that's why it's very upsetting to see some people like Ingrid Seward say Meghan should suck it up and call her dad despite being publicly flogged by him. She clearly has had the good fortune of not having to deal with toxic parents. This isn't just isolated to this incident either. I've often heard that in society, and it is so unfair to guilt someone like that for simply wanting to lead a healthy life. Yes, I know that's my parent, and I already carry the burden of not having a parent that I could trust and rely on growing up. No one wants to just cut their parents out of their lives, and believe me it's a difficult decision to come to as it is, but sometimes it's the only way to have any form of decent life. No one need any more guilt trips from people who are there and didn't suffer the pains they did.

BTW, we also need to keep in mind that if this was a boyfriend doing this type of crap today, no one would be telling Meghan to get back with him. Abuse from a parent is no different. She shouldn't be told to treat it differently. It's a disservice to the public for people like Ingrid Seward to publicly issue a statement like that. Highly inappropriate after all that's transpired.

Lastly, I never thought it's amazing for someone to succeed because they've come from privilege. Don't get me wrong, it's still koodus to them and a nice story. But what always inspired was becoming successful IN-SPITE of what they were born into.

AlowVera · #**1418** 08-01-2018, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Osipi

If you read the Royal Family and the Media thread, Richard Palmer has stated that they are keeping the press further away from Meghan now than they were before to allow her to "adjust to her royal role". I happen to think there's a strategy unseen behind this. Its being done to prevent the media from shouting out questions to her that she may not want to answer and capture her expression when asked to build a "response" article. "Meghan scowls when asked about her father" kind of thing.

They're protecting Meghan as much as they possibly can while allowing her to continue to do what she does. The backlash from the media is expected as they want to hear what she says, capture her expressions and generally everything and anything they can get their grubby hands on. This tells me that the PTB acknowledge that along with Meghan's e(strange)d family, the media has been playing its part in this drama also and won't give them an inch.

To me, this is a definitive move because of the situation at hand. Words aren't necessary.

The press wants their gotcha moment which is why they scour twitter searching for stories like they did with the trip to Ireland. KP wants to give her room to grow and learn without the over-analyzing. During the first engagements they practically destroyed her for over hugging and signing a piece of paper.

I would like to see KP actually include small interviews in addition to pictures. Using social media could allow them to communicate verbally to their audience.

Regarding those people and their drama, the press are loving this and use it to get their digs in, blaming Meghan for the abuse, infantalizing the abuser and ignoring evidence that could help shut down the on going cycle of abuse story. Markle Sr. is being paid by the UK media to harass his daughter and create content for them. It is wrong no matter who this is happening to.

fortimo · #**1419** 08-01-2018, 12:48 PM

Is this true?? Her halfbrother wrote this letter to Harry?? Poor Meghan...
https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...-letter-159208

Osipi · #**1420** 08-01-2018, 01:03 PM

That letter was widely reported back when In Touch released it before the wedding. I believe that Tom, Jr. also cried crocodile tears and penned a second letter pleading and begging for an invite to the wedding. He was also photographed outside of Windsor Castle in the lead up to the wedding but nothing more than that. The man flip flops a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpPK8deuAH0