The Duchess of Sussex: Family and Background - Page 68

Princess · #**1341** 07-31-2018, 04:08 AM

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To me that seems unlikely. I think that Meghan sincerely thought her father was going to come over for her wedding. I wouldn't call it saving face when all of it is blowing up (as was to be expected if the intention truly was for him NOT to attend). Whether mr Markle himself truly intended to attend is a different question; he might not have been consistent... he probably truly wanted to attend and play one of the main roles at the wedding and meet all those important people/royals but on the other hand was terrified of doing so.

He has been offerend a quite inconspicous way out of the papped pictures, but he decided to go his own way, whoever told him to ignore the offer by KP (I can only speculate who that person was).

Another question: what about his other grandchildren? Is he in contanct with them on a regular basis?

Osipi · #**1342** 07-31-2018, 04:26 AM

Catching up here after a good long sleep. As far as Samantha crying "victims!" and lashing out that she and her father are being mocked and flogged, there's the old saying that goes "If one person calls you an ass, you can pretty much ignore it and get on with things. When it seems everyone around you is calling you an ass, its time to go out and buy a saddle." They also need to invest in saddle soap. Law of cause and effect tells us if you dish it out, you best be prepared to have it all come back in your face.

Its becoming clear to me also that Tom, Sr. is blaming the royal family for the "silent treatment". I think he honestly thinks that Meghan is not *allowed* to speak to her father and that the Queen, the royal family and the PTB in the palace are putting a gag on her. He sees them manipulating Meghan just as he is trying to do. Why else would he think that when he talks to his daughter finally, they'll get a giggle out of it. I think the man honestly believes that Meghan is his daughter and by being that, he's got a sense of power over her and she should still do his bidding no matter what his behavior is.

I've also seen in various places that there is a rumor of Meghan heading to the US on her own to visit "family and friends" and Samantha is calling for her to sit down with her father and work things out. I do not know as a fact whether Meghan is going to the US or not (its very possible) but I can almost guarantee that a quiet sit down with Tom, Sr. is not going to happen. It cannot be forced. No matter where Meghan goes, the security around her will guarantee that no one will have access to her unless she wills it. With this rumor even in place, all tabloid eyes will be following Tom, Sr. to see what happens and that right there would prevent a "quiet" sit down in private and be splashed all over the front pages the next day.

The Markles are not people that are able to read the handwriting on the wall that is there in big, bold letters. Their egos prevent them for seeing that they, themselves are at the root of the problem and Samantha is enjoying every last bit of publicity she can garner from anyone. I'd be willing to bet my last T-bone smothered in portobello mushrooms that its her intention to keep this going for as long as she can. Meghan doesn't matter. Meghan never mattered to her really, she's a mean to an end to be used and abused for her own purposes. She's blatantly called Meghan a "social climber" among other things. Samantha is vividly showing the world how this is done by stepping on someone else to climb.

It wasn't all that long ago that we were discussing just how Meghan would be able to fit in and adapt to life in the royal family and in the UK and be accepted by the British public as a whole. As we look back now with 20/20 hindsight, I think we can honestly see how the Markle clan has made it easier for her. The Markles, being so nastily aggressive to destroy her, have caused her new family and her new adopted country to pull in the ranks and surround her with support and claim her as one of their own. Every black cloud has its silver lining if one looks for it.

Lady Reem · #**1343** 07-31-2018, 04:47 AM

Even if Meghan hadn’t got a role on Suits and moved to Canada she’d still be the good natured person she is. She was doing good deeds as a youngster and teenager and I truly believe she benefited greatly from having a brilliant primary role model in her mother Doria Ragland. Without her mum’s positive input & influence to balance things out Meghan could easily have ended up just as nasty and entitled as Sr, and his eldest two offspring Samantha & Jr.

She’s turned out to be a strong adult woman who won’t tolerate rubbish/abusive behaviour from certain relatives in spite of what she must have endured whilst spending time around the vicinity of these people as a youngster.

Materialism/money isn’t always everything but a good character goes a long way...

Osipi · #**1344** 07-31-2018, 04:58 AM

I think Doria picked the absolutely most brilliant nickname for her daughter that should could have. "Flower". Meghan, through Doria's constant watering and feeing and weeding and caring for her growth through life, really blossomed into a beautiful woman. Inside and out.

I do have to, though, give some credit to the Markle side of the family for how she turned out in her adult life. Perhaps the best thing they could have done for her is to show her how *not* to be and reject their influences.

Lady Reem · #**1345** 07-31-2018, 05:12 AM

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I think Doria picked the absolutely most brilliant nickname for her daughter that should could have. "Flower". Meghan, through Doria's constant watering and feeing and weeding and caring for her growth through life, really blossomed into a beautiful woman. Inside and out.

I do have to, though, give some credit to the Markle side of the family for how she turned out in her adult life. Perhaps the best thing they could have done for her is to show her how *not* to be and reject their influences.

The possessiveness over her from that side is just creepy. No one OWNS Meghan, not Sr, not Samantha or whoever. She is not chattel. He is not her ‘massa’.

M. Payton · #**1346** 07-31-2018, 05:31 AM

The one thing I have always thought of was what was so bad in that house that made Doria want to leave and take Meghan with her while she was just a toddler? There was bad vibes in that house that drove her out and she then could make a life for her daughter herself as she saw what she did not want for Meghan. Doria had the foresight to leave and that saved Meghan, helped Meghan to become the fabulous young woman she is today.....Meghan certainly has the family now that she did not have before........Harry found his soulmate and that is a done deal as far as I can see........

Osipi · #**1347** 07-31-2018, 05:48 AM

The state of affairs of the household when Meghan was a wee one is something we will never know although we've been given glimpses into it. It does seem that Doria and Tom were able to maintain a congenial relationship afterwards and both contributed to raising Meghan.

Samantha and Tom, Jr. went on with their lives and probably never gave much thought to Meghan or her mother much after the divorce went through but as Meghan rose to prominence in her acting career and then met and married Harry, like bugs coming out of the woodwork, they saw an advantage Meghan could provide for them and used it to the fullest.

After a lifetime of knowing the Markles, I don't think that their behavior has come as too much of an unexpected shock to her. They were her father's first family and probably not ever more than that.

Cabbage05 · #**1348** 07-31-2018, 07:00 AM

My personal opinion and this is just my opinion - but I don`t think this marriage will last for the reason of her family is going to be the one to put the nail in her coffin so too speak - that to me is what they are aiming for - buy putting her business out there for the world to know - like on TMZ was talking about that Megan lied on her resume and that she put down she was a stripper - her family will never go away and there is nothing she can do about it but just move on

Kataryn · #**1349** 07-31-2018, 07:18 AM

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My personal opinion and this is just my opinion - but I don`t think this marriage will last for the reason of her family is going to be the one to put the nail in her coffin so too speak - that to me is what they are aiming for - buy putting her business out there for the world to know - like on TMZ was talking about that Megan lied on her resume and that she put down she was a stripper - her family will never go away and there is nothing she can do about it but just move on

The BRF has weathered harder stuff, worse betrayals and broken trust. So Meghan finds herself in good company. As for the negotiations of Markle sr. with Harry and his family - I doubt we will ever learn the whole truth about this but I think Markle sr. tried to get money out of Meghan for his silence/attendance at the wedding, good behaviour etc. from the beginning and when he did not get it, he pulled out of the wedding and made true on his threads and what happens now? Not much. Meghan is supported by her new family and her husband in her silence, the Markles are cut off and after a time, noone will even remember them.

Just like the whole talk about Diana, Charles and Camilla has stopped, not completely, but enough that most people are bored - the question if Camilla will be queen is such a rhetorical now. If the government did not do anything about that till now, they haven't got enough time now as the queen is so old and Camilla will be queen immediately after Elizabeth's death. And it's known that the next king wants her to be his queen, so what? Same with the Markles - they are cut off and the future news about Meghan will be about HRH The Duchess of Sussex, her life and her new family. She only needs to to the "Catherine" - look beautiful, be warm-hearted, helpful to others and never put a foot wrong and everything will be forgotten sooner than later.

Cocoasneeze · #**1350** 07-31-2018, 07:21 AM

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My personal opinion and this is just my opinion - but I don`t think this marriage will last for the reason of her family is going to be the one to put the nail in her coffin so too speak - that to me is what they are aiming for - buy putting her business out there for the world to know - like on TMZ was talking about that Megan lied on her resume and that she put down she was a stripper - her family will never go away and there is nothing she can do about it but just move on

I completely disagree. Her 'family' don't know her business to put it out there. There's nothing to tell, what they haven't already told. Besides that, I actually think this will bring Meghan and Harry closer. Meghan is being abused by her half siblings and father, and that will bring the protective side out of Harry.

I think it did hurt Meghan to cut her father out of her life, I think she has Harry's full support either way. I also think, that Harry and Meghan pay less attention to what the markles do and say, than the markles or even us think, i don't think they even read their interviews or tweets, they have staff to do that. If there's legal issues, they have lawyers to deal with that. Basically, the markles are like an annoying gnat to them at this time, nothing more. Jmho.

Lady Reem · #**1351** 07-31-2018, 07:29 AM

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My personal opinion and this is just my opinion - but I don`t think this marriage will last for the reason of her family is going to be the one to put the nail in her coffin so too speak - that to me is what they are aiming for - buy putting her business out there for the world to know - like on TMZ was talking about that Megan lied on her resume and that she put down she was a stripper - her family will never go away and there is nothing she can do about it but just move on

I suspect the lawyers may well have to step in at some point. The horrid trio are already proven liars with extremely dysfunctional lives. Just study the relationship history each have had with their own individual immediate family. Very revealing...

And no, I seriously doubt H&M will ever allow that lot to come between them, and this is a couple that have had everything thrown at them these past two years. And yet they still stand strong together. So long as they maintain that distance & boundaries put in place to protect them from the overreach of the ghastly Markles they should be fine.

Cabbage05 · #**1352** 07-31-2018, 07:29 AM

I think if her family can just keep quiet for 5 minutes just 5 minutes is all anyone is asking right at this moment

Osipi · #**1353** 07-31-2018, 07:40 AM

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I completely disagree. Her 'family' don't know her business to put it out there. There's nothing to tell, what they haven't already told. Besides that, I actually think this will bring Meghan and Harry closer. Meghan is being abused by her half siblings and father, and that will bring the protective side out of Harry.

I'm with you that the Markle family has absolutely no power to do anything to bring Harry and Meghan down or even to cause a hair's width of a gulf between them. They are blowing smoke by the bucketfuls and the more they bleat and contradict themselves and make themselves out to be more "important" or "knowledgeable" than they are, the more they're discrediting themselves. These people may have grabbed the attention of the local villagers that know of Harry and Meghan but they're still facing the moat filled with piranhas looking for a good meal with the drawbridge up and an impenetrable portcullis that leads into the castle. Let's face it, these people have absolutely no real intelligence or wits about them to do any real damage whatsoever. It is said that a fool and his money are soon parted. Now we know how some fools get their money in the first place.

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I think it did hurt Meghan to cut her father out of her life, I think she has Harry's full support either way. I also think, that Harry and Meghan pay less attention to what the markles do and say, than the markles or even us think, i don't think they even read their interviews or tweets, they have staff to do that. If there's legal issues, they have lawyers to deal with that. Basically, the markles are like an annoying gnat to them at this time, nothing more. Jmho.

Although I don't believe that Meghan is totally thrown for a loop by her father's behavior, I can imagine it does hurt profoundly that he's stooped this low and intends to keep it up. Her only course of action is not to respond to this behavior in any way, shape or form. She may sincerely love her father and mourn the loss of the relationship between them but knows what she needs to do to protect herself, her husband and her new family from (direct from Piers Morgan's mouth) vultures that are circling.

The Markles, themselves, may honestly believe that these interviews and tabloid headlines are a way to get a message across to Meghan but the truth of the matter is that she's not listening. She knows better than to subject herself to the gutter press and those gutter people the tabloids love to exploit.

The Markles are very clearly on their own at this point as most of them have been from the very beginning. Meghan, along with her new family is a class act whereas her e(strange)d family is a freak sideshow.

jacqui24 · #**1354** 07-31-2018, 07:48 AM

The thing with these people is that they’ve got NOTHING else going on in their lives. It’s sickening how they’ve dedicated their lives to publicly flog a woman who can’t respond. Especially Samantha. She’s only in her 50s. Whatever happened to life goals and accomplishments? Her obsession with a woman she hasn’t seen in a decade and the daily need to lash out about that woman is unhealthy to say the least.

And btw, I do have to point out the BS with media once again. If we think back to when the relationship first can out (I know it feels like a lifetime ago), it was Doria that was hit the hardest. Remember the Straight Outta Compton and thug stories about the African American side of Meghan’s family? And Samantha was actually given credibility for her vile comments about her half sister that had no basis. It’s sickening to see that Doria has to prove herself worthy while the other side was given creditibility until they proved themselves to be complete fools in some corners. If we really want to talk about unfair, it’s always been towards Doria.

Osipi · #**1355** 07-31-2018, 07:57 AM

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The thing with these people is that they’ve got NOTHING else going on in their lives. It’s sickening how they’ve dedicated their lives to publicly flog a woman who can’t respond. Especially Samantha. She’s only in her 50s. Whatever happened to life goals and accomplishments? Her obsession with a woman she hasn’t seen in a decade and the daily need to lash out about that woman is unhealthy to say the least.

The part I've put in bold, IMO, is what fuels the Markles even more. I think they honestly do believe that Meghan *can't* respond to them at all and they have the way ahead free and clear to say and do what they want. Tom, Sr. seems to believe the Queen and all the PTB are enforcing a "code of silence" on Meghan and prohibiting her from speaking out. This isn't so.

Somehow, and in some way, I really wish that the lesson could be driven home to them that Meghan doesn't *want* to acknowledge that she even knows these people let alone have a battle of wits with unarmed people. I wish they would come to believe that as far as Meghan is concerned, they're nobodies worth paying attention to and that they're wasting not only their breath but also their lives on this vendetta.

O-H Anglophile · #**1356** 07-31-2018, 08:05 AM

One of several articles turning on Tom Markle--

https://www.thecut.com/2018/07/megha...nterviews.html

Lady Reem · #**1357** 07-31-2018, 08:13 AM

Samantha badmouths both Meghan and Doria on twitter in the most denigrating manner, knowing mother & daughter can hardly respond. Thomas Markle siding with Samantha and openly backing that behaviour that’s gone on ever since H&M’s relationship came to light and even blaming Meghan for it has to be one of the most disgusting parental displays I’ve ever seen. That’s a betrayal I’d never forgive, he’d be disowned.

acdc1 · #**1358** 07-31-2018, 08:31 AM

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My personal opinion and this is just my opinion - but I don`t think this marriage will last for the reason of her family is going to be the one to put the nail in her coffin so too speak - that to me is what they are aiming for - buy putting her business out there for the world to know - like on TMZ was talking about that Megan lied on her resume and that she put down she was a stripper - her family will never go away and there is nothing she can do about it but just move on

The royal family as a whole, as well as specific members (Harry included) have dealt with far worse than this, and have always handled it discreetly with grace and integrity. This is no doubt painful for Meghan and I'm sure has not been easy, but I think she has a strong ally in Harry and in the BRF. I don't think that this will tear the marriage apart. Both she and Harry are built of tougher stuff than that.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if attorneys have to get involved if Thomas Sr. and the siblings keep speaking out and acting out, especially once they have children. The BRF gets very protective and proactive when there are children who may be affected in a situation.

Osipi · #**1359** 07-31-2018, 08:44 AM

I do have to admit to having sympathy for a section of people that right now seem to be bearing the brunt of all the Markle mayhem that abounds. The staff at Kensington Palace.

It has become the norm that at the end of any "Markle" related article, at the end is the disclaimer that they had contacted KP who refused to comment. Those workers at KP that are contacted must be murmuring "no comment" in their dreams right about now.

loonytick · #**1360** 07-31-2018, 09:19 AM

The more Sr. talks, the more he comes off as the kind of dufus who takes a "you can't tell me what to do" attitude into every aspect of his life, even if it means things fall down crumbling around him. Especially since that's the kind of direction his mind goes in regards to Meghan: "she's not acting the way I would because she's letting other people tell her what she can and can't do."

If that's at the core of his personality, I have to wonder if there were efforts to introduce Harry to him earlier that fell apart because he wasn't willing to deal with Harry's security needs. As many have pointed out here before, Harry could have certainly found a way to get to Mexico to meet Sr. on his own terms--but that could only have happened if Sr. was willing to let security check out his place, post a bodyguard, etc. or alternately meet them at a location they'd determined was secure enough. But that would mean Sr. letting them have some authority over his movement or in his home, and I'm getting the feeling he's a prideful man who would take that as an attack on his self-sufficiency or self-determination rather than seeing how reasonable it is for a royal to take precautions.