The Duchess of Sussex: Family and Background

[O-H Anglophile]

I don’t know if it will last, but the lengthy DailyMail interview seems to have caused a lot of people to turn on Tom Markle. He’s being criticized now more than sympathized with in my news feed.

[Cocoasneeze]

Originally Posted by jacqui24

I've always branded him as foolish. I don't think he thinks more than one step at a time. He's upset, so he's going to lash out and look for a quick fix that will make him feel in control for a short period of time. And the ability to talk is the only thing he has control over these days.

Some people will never learn the best thing to do at times is do nothing at all.

I actually think he's more calculated than thinking just one step ahead. Each interview he's given lately has had a threat included. In the sun interview, he said he hoped it would be his last interview. In this one he promised to unload on Meghan and the RF. I think he KNOWS that Meghan is done with him, and he's angry, he wants to put her in her place, remind her she owes everything to. But after that, what does he want?

As for his lottery win, I personally don't care how he made his money. My issue is him claiming, that he alone paid for Meghan's education, he did everything alone, and Doria paid nothing, did nothing. And I'm assuming some other posters are disagreeing with this claim too, not necessarily his lottery win.

[duchessrachel]

Originally Posted by Lady Nimue

The saddest thing will be if this onslaught does eventually break Meghan and Harry. That a point is reached where enough is enough. That will not be because of the Markles themselves, but because the media refuses to stop enabling the Markles. Its the media who are creating this drama, not the Markles per se. That's the great pretense the media is hiding behind. The media can pretend they are reporting 'the news', but that's not what they are doing. They are stirring a pot. The media attention is clearly creating chaos in the psyches of these people. Back off! But they won't, and in the end, a sweet story may end badly. I will blame the media in full for what eventuates. Nasty, nasty, nasty!

I really don't think it will. Harry grew up in the War of the Wales and has had to deal throughout the years with drama surrounding his parents marriage. I feel that Meghan has had to deal with behavior from her family like this before, although not being played out in the media. I really hope Harry and Meghan are not reading any of this stuff in the media and are happily oblivious as much as is possible. I am sure they get report from whomever has that job, but I hope it is just a simple, "well Tom Sr. has talked to the media again"

[XeniaCasaraghi]

Originally Posted by O-H Anglophile

I don’t know if it will last, but the lengthy DailyMail interview seems to have caused a lot of people to turn on Tom Markle. He’s being criticized now more than sympathized with in my news feed.

Everytime this person speaks someone on this board insists the tide is turning against him, and in a few weeks more interviews are being published about him. I stopped counting how many people have claimed the tide is turning against him or Samantha.

[jacqui24]

Originally Posted by Cocoasneeze

I actually think he's more calculated than thinking just one step ahead. Each interview he's given lately has had a threat included. In the sun interview, he said he hoped it would be his last interview. In this one he promised to unload on Meghan and the RF. I think he KNOWS that Meghan is done with him, and he's angry, he wants to put her in her place, remind her she owes everything to. But after that, what does he want?

The fact you are asking what does he want after that is precisely why I think he's only thinking one step at a time. Including going back on his word on that being his last interview. Because that instant gratification wore off. If he actually thought about it, he would've been much smarter about this whole thing. I don't think he has an end goal in sight. It's certainly not to get his daughter talking to him again, because if it was, he would've kept his mouth shut. And if he wanted to make a lot of money off of it, complaining that his daughter won't talk to him just showed that he has no access. It's a man with a bruised ego throwing a temper tantrum. The tiring thing about people that have such thin skin and low self-confidence is that superficial wins are only temporary. The problem is ultimately from within.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Cocoasneeze

I'm still trying to figure out, what Mr Markle's goal is when he gives these interviews. He cannot honestly think, that after he trashes Meghan, Doria, Harry, the Queen, Meghan and Doria some more, that he will get a call from Meghan inviting him for a tour at BP. He clearly said, that he doesn't agree with Meghan not wanting him to talk about her private life to the press. Does he really expect Meghan to suddenly be fine with it, and him giving interviews about her? What does he expect to achieve?

To be honest, at this point I don't think even Tom, Sr. knows what he wants out of all of this. He's whining because Meghan won't talk to him due to the evil, nasty and powerful royal family and their protocols and out of the other side of his mouth he's stating he doesn't care what they think and he's going to do as he pleases regardless.

Perhaps he depends on Samantha to tell him what he wants and what he deserves? He's been pretty adamant about being able to state whatever he pleases about Meghan to the press and to me, it sounds like he's parroting words Samantha has also spoken about "freedom of speech".

One thing though is expressed with clarity. He's stated he's wanted to "set the story straight" and improve his image. He is rightly showing the world his true image and his true character and it ain't pretty.

[ACO]

I think public opinion definitely has changed for Thomas. Many people used to defend him. That has drastically changed. That said, that won't change the media from publishing his words. As long as he talks they will listen and print it. He is her father and until he goes too far (and he just might the way he is escalating) they will present the story. I don't fault them. It is news.

[jacqui24]

Originally Posted by Osipi

Perhaps he depends on Samantha to tell him what he wants and what he deserves? He's been pretty adamant about being able to state whatever he pleases about Meghan to the press and to me, it sounds like he's parroting words Samantha has also spoken about "freedom of speech".

THIS. She's his favorite child for now because she's coddling him and telling him he's right and nothing is his fault and they should all respect him and talk to him. Obviously for her own reasons, but she's telling him what he wants to hear nevertheless. He was pretty quick to turn on her before as well. Mark my word, only matter of time before that relationship blows up.

[duchessrachel]

Originally Posted by XeniaCasaraghi

It had always struck me as ironic that there is an anti bullying campaign going on yet the media gets away with bullying famous people. They are trying to destroy her and I'm tired of the fact that nobody from the legit media will call these people out.

THIS!!! I know there is freedom of the press, but with freedom comes responsibility. Some of the legitimate British media need to start calling out the bullying by these tabloid rags for what it is.

[jacqui24]

Originally Posted by XeniaCasaraghi

Everytime this person speaks someone on this board insists the tide is turning against him, and in a few weeks more interviews are being published about him. I stopped counting how many people have claimed the tide is turning against him or Samantha.

I don't think anyone is saying DM and such won't capitalize on him, but more and more the opinions of what he's saying is turning on him. There are far fewer people saying today Meghan should contact her dad and do more for him than when the stage photos first came out.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by duchessrachel

I really don't think it will. Harry grew up in the War of the Wales and has had to deal throughout the years with drama surrounding his parents marriage. I feel that Meghan has had to deal with behavior from her family like this before, although not being played out in the media. I really hope Harry and Meghan are not reading any of this stuff in the media and are happily oblivious as much as is possible. I am sure they get report from whomever has that job, but I hope it is just a simple, "well Tom Sr. has talked to the media again"

I would tend to think that going through this together with Harry's experience with the press surrounding his mother all those years ago, he's would be a stalwart rock for Meghan to lean on. If anything, I would hazard a guess that these experiences with her e(strange)d family would only draw them closer together along with support and comfort from Harry's family.

I'm sure they're advised of what the family gets up to but hopefully they have so much more in their lives to focus on that neither of them dwell on it. Perhaps they're even getting to the point now where nothing the Markles do or say surprise them anymore. I'd hope so at least.

[duchessrachel]

Originally Posted by Cocoasneeze

In this 9 hour interview, Mr Markle clearly said, that he knows Meghan wouldn't have been happy about him talking about her desire to have children. He didn't care, he talked about it anyway.

Mr Markle has clearly said, what he wants, in the many interviews he's given. He wants pomp and glamour, he wants to meet the Queen, a tour at the BP, he wants to be able to talk to the press about Meghan, he wants to make money out of the royals. He wants Meghan to contact Samantha and treat her better. He wants access to the grandchildren that aren't even born yet. He won't listen to anyone, who opposed any of this.

And he will talk more. He's now angry, and will lash out more. His blackmailing strategies didn't work, so he will reveal information about Meghan and her private life. He will drag Doria more. He's angry that Doria is getting praise, and that Meghan isn't falling in line with his demands.

All of this is really sad. He was worried about about how he was being presented in the press so he staged photographs. He should have just put on those nice wedding clothes and walked Meghan down the aisle, and he would have had everything he says he wants. However, everything he is doing is destroying any chance of him having that. He makes no sense to me. I don't think he knows what he wants.

[Cocoasneeze]

Originally Posted by jacqui24

The fact you are asking what does he want after that is precisely why I think he's only thinking one step at a time. Including going back on his word on that being his last interview. Because that instant gratification wore off. If he actually thought about it, he would've been much smarter about this whole thing. I don't think he has an end goal in sight. It's certainly not to get his daughter talking to him again, because if it was, he would've kept his mouth shut. And if he wanted to make a lot of money off of it, complaining that his daughter won't talk to him just showed that he has no access. It's a man with a bruised ego throwing a temper tantrum. The tiring thing about people that have such thin skin and low self-confidence is that superficial wins are only temporary. The problem is ultimately from within.

This is very true. It would be somewhat easier, if he had some sort of goal, then there would be an end in sight. But with his reactionary mentality, there's no end anywhere near.

What caught my eye in this interview, was when he said, that Harry and Meghan told him, that he didn't need to apologise about the paparazzi set up. According to him, later on a palace aid called him to ask, if he needed help writing an apology. He went on and on about his own interpretation about what the aid was really saying, instead of just offering assistance if he needed it. I think he does this all the time. He draws his own conclusions from simple, clear situations or words, turns them into insults, and becomes offended.

[jacqui24]

Originally Posted by Cocoasneeze

What caught my eye in this interview, was when he said, that Harry and Meghan told him, that he didn't need to apologise about the paparazzi set up. According to him, later on a palace aid called him to ask, if he needed help writing an apology. He went on and on about his own interpretation about what the aid was really saying, instead of just offering assistance if he needed it. I think he does this all the time. He draws his own conclusions from simple, clear situations or words, turns them into insults, and becomes offended.

Yea, that just didn't make sense. Harry and Meghan's aide isn't going to tell him he needs to apologize. That isn't their call. It's Harry and Meghan's.

[Ish]

Posts discussing the backgrounds of other members of the royal family have been deleted. Let’s keep this on the topic of Meghan’s family.

[Missjersey]

If he’s given a platform, he’s just going to spew an ever changing tale...

[MichelleQ2]

Originally Posted by Cocoasneeze

I'm still trying to figure out, what Mr Markle's goal is when he gives these interviews. He cannot honestly think, that after he trashes Meghan, Doria, Harry, the Queen, Meghan and Doria some more, that he will get a call from Meghan inviting him for a tour at BP. He clearly said, that he doesn't agree with Meghan not wanting him to talk about her private life to the press. Does he really expect Meghan to suddenly be fine with it, and him giving interviews about her? What does he expect to achieve?

I think Mr Markle is in so far over his head he has know idea how this is going to end. It just seems the more he speaks the more it is about him and the less about his daughter. If given the choice between 30min with his daughter and 30min with the Queen - it saddens me to say he would chose the Queen .

[wyevale]

The saddest thing will be if this onslaught does eventually break Meghan and Harry.

I cannot imagine it will do so.. After all 'external threats' [and what are assorted embittered Markle's NOW] have a tendency to bind couples in love closer together, not break them apart..

[Tarlita]

Two reporter's from the Daily Mail travelled to Rosarita Beach and spent 3 days there and 9 hours spent interviewing TM. And they didn't really get much out of him, except to rile him up so he blurts out; " I'm about to unload!"
He must be really cranky in hindsight that after 9 hours of chatting with these people, he didn't get paid for it. Daily Mail says they did not pay him.
I'm not sure I believe DM. There had to be something in it for him.

[Osipi]

Unless.... that 9 hour interview has garnered enough to plot on spacing the release of what Tom, Sr. has said in those 9 hours over time. Perhaps what we've just recently seen released for the Mail on Sunday (I believe) is just the first installment with more to follow. Perhaps he's already "unloaded" on Meghan and the BRF and the Fail is just waiting for the go ahead to print it?

Perhaps a stipulation to giving this extensive interview to the Fail was to assure Meghan and the reading public that Tom, Sr. was not *paid* for it. He seems to want to assert his right to say whatever he pleases when he wants to state it but wants Harry and Meghan to know he's not getting paid for it or "cashing in" on them. Perhaps he thinks that its making a profit is what is irking Meghan and the BRF. Perhaps not. Strangely enough, his oldest daughter has come out right before Tom, Sr. stating she feels its her right to milk this connection for all its worth if its offered to her.

There are so many conflicting strategic moves by these people that its hard to figure out where they're coming from. Perhaps they'd do well working for the CIA? No enemy could ever get a real bead on them. That's for sure.