The Duchess of Sussex: Family and Background

[M. Payton]

I got a news feed from the Mirror where Sam states she talks to her dad every day......that says it all right there who is driving this family into hell and back.....Sam is the culprit behind this entire debacle all because of her hate and jealousy over Meghan.....I honestly believe Sam is trying to destroy Meghan's life in every sense of the word.......and Father and Jr are following her game plan......what next, since they have no info to talk about, they are totally in the dark as to what is going on in Meghan's life with her husband and the firm.....they have NOTHING to give......does anyone think they are going to hop a plane and crash KP or BP ...........I don't think it will go that far.........I hope!

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by Dman

but Mr. Markle isn’t going to the media about his strained relationship with Meghan.

Originally Posted by Tarlita

We the members on this board forgave Markle snr at the beginning, believing him to be naive about the media and how they use people. He made many more mistakes leading up to the wedding any many of us on this forum were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
But he has since then consistently shown his true colours and admitted what he is all about, hence most of us distrust him completely now.
Perhaps if this thread were read through from the beginning you will see this.

My apologies for any bad spellings from my tablet and it's wretched auto correction. If I lived near an ocean it would be sitting at the bottom of it.

I totally agree with Tarlita. I defended Meghan's dad before the wedding. I really thought Tom Sr was just overwhelmed by the whole situation and made some mistakes in judgment. But he has gone way beyond mistakes in judgment and what he has been doing recently has no defense.

Dman, what do you mean Tom Sr isn't going to the media--he most certainly is!

[jacqui24]

Originally Posted by M. Payton

I got a news feed from the Mirror where Sam states she talks to her dad every day......that says it all right there who is driving this family into hell and back.....Sam is the culprit behind this entire debacle all because of her hate and jealousy over Meghan.....I honestly believe Sam is trying to destroy Meghan's life in every sense of the word.......and Father and Jr are following her game plan......what next, since they have no info to talk about, they are totally in the dark as to what is going on in Meghan's life with her husband and the firm.....they have NOTHING to give......does anyone think they are going to hop a plane and crash KP or BP ...........I don't think it will go that far.........I hope!

Let's not let Tom off the hook. While Samantha has her obvious issues, Tom is at fault for listening to whoever strokes his bruised ego. And really, that's what's at play here. While Samantha is guilty for the hate she spews, Tom is entirely culpable for his own actions. He does have a choice not to listen to his older daughter. Even his comments about Doria reeked of jealousy that he doesn't get the same treatment. What he fails to see is that had he kept his dignity, he would've been treated the same way.

BTW, this article also confirmed what I've always said about both parents being treated equally and given proper protection when necessary. Tom did say they wanted to provide additional security, but he wasn't home. As for that matter being dropped later, well he barely waited for his daughter to come back from her honeymoon before he went behind her back with Piers Morgan.

[ACO]

Samantha is vile but Thomas is just like her. In fact he is worse. The older children are bitter for a reason. They hate Meghan for a reason. It is because he ignored them as children, only to come back in their lives their teenage years with a new baby sister he dotting on. Then when Meghan hit her teen years it all went to hell between them. Their relationship obviously been a series of ups and downs but now it is destroyed. His anger toward Doria mirrors Samantha.

[sndral]

All of what has unfolded certainly explains her invitation to Sandringham for Christmas prior to marriage and Harry’s comment about the family she never had. Fortunately it seems her in-laws accept and support her.
I didn’t read the articles - how much did Markle, Sr. get paid for his 9 hours with the Daily Fail?

[jacqui24]

Originally Posted by sndral

All of what has unfolded certainly explains her invitation to Sandringham for Christmas prior to marriage and Harry’s comment about the family she never had. Fortunately it seems her in-laws accept and support her.
I didn’t read the articles - how much did Markle, Sr. get paid for his 9 hours with the Daily Fail?

They did make clear they didn't pay for this interview. I do believe him when he says he's trying to correct "his image". I just find his view on things to be lacking of the overall picture.

I still thought Sandringham was a surprise as I expected her to be on a flight back to LA to be with Doria, but perhaps there were other reasons that we weren't privy to.

[Missjersey]

Originally Posted by ACO

Samantha is vile but Thomas is just like her. In fact he is worse. The older children are bitter for a reason. They hate Meghan for a reason. It is because he ignored them as children, only to come back in their lives their teenage years with a new baby sister he dotting on. Then when Meghan hit her teen years it all went to hell between them. Their relationship obviously been a series of ups and downs but now it is destroyed. His anger toward Doria mirrors Samantha.

..smouldering with rage

[Lady Nimue]

Yikes! Too nasty for words, but the following post from Madame Verseau popped out at me.

Originally Posted by Madame Verseau

Has anyone noticed when Daily Mail did the story that Tom Sr faked the heart attack and Sharon Osbourne said he had a drinking problem there is no threat of a defamation suit? I think they realize if they go to court their pasts will be scrutinized a lot more so they are staying silent.

Sharon Osbourne? How would she know? Though maybe she sees the signs of a drinking problem from life experience, and can spot it from a mile away. If she is right, suddenly it all makes sense, not so? The son has a drinking problem. Maybe even Samantha does as well, though her issues seem far more layered.

Originally Posted by Cocoasneeze

And yet earlier after the wedding he claimed, that he has never asked Meghan for anything, because he's well off, but if he did, she'd help him right away.

He keeps on changing his story all the time, just like Samantha.

This is parental abuse. He's using the media to bully and abuse Meghan.

He doesn't know what he's doing or saying (I think). I think he may have fallen off the wagon at some point in the lead up to the wedding, especially as the prospect of walking Meghan down the aisle loomed. Something snapped around then. Maybe he started drinking. Who knows?

What is clear is that human decency begs that the media back off. They need to stop enabling seriously unbalanced people. Everyone recognizes it for what it is. Its pretty bad.

The saddest thing will be if this onslaught does eventually break Meghan and Harry. That a point is reached where enough is enough. That will not be because of the Markles themselves, but because the media refuses to stop enabling the Markles. Its the media who are creating this drama, not the Markles per se. That's the great pretense the media is hiding behind. The media can pretend they are reporting 'the news', but that's not what they are doing. They are stirring a pot. The media attention is clearly creating chaos in the psyches of these people. Back off! But they won't, and in the end, a sweet story may end badly. I will blame the media in full for what eventuates. Nasty, nasty, nasty!

[CTchic]

Apparently he did this for free. However because he said some sinister things regarding Diana and Doria, he is itching for a reaction which would be a phone call from Meghan which he would record and sell to the highest bidder. That is my theory.

[Tarlita]

I just went back to read Ingrid Sewards story. And all i can say is that like her Magazine -- Majesty -- she is at least a month out of date.
Ingrid really needs to catch up on what daddy dear has been saying to TMZ the Daily mail and Good Morning Britain.
Then she will see that he has admitted being offered help from Meghan and Harry and he refused. As well as admitting to many other things.

[ACO]

Originally Posted by CTchic

Apparently he did this for free. However because he said some sinister things regarding Diana and Doria, he is itching for a reaction which would be a phone call from Meghan which he would record and sell to the highest bidder. That is my theory.

This man talked to The Mirror for 3 days. It was around 9 hours. This was just the beginning. No doubt they will post more and I expect a piece on her birthday.

[JuliannaVictoria]

Originally Posted by CTchic

Apparently he did this for free. However because he said some sinister things regarding Diana and Doria, he is itching for a reaction which would be a phone call from Meghan which he would record and sell to the highest bidder. That is my theory.

DING, DING, DING! You win the prize for the day. Precisely what his aim is at this point.

[Sturf]

Meghan certainly gave her father plenty of credit. I think now I can speculate that a lot of the positives of his parental involvement when Meghan was a child came out of competitiveness with Doria. And obviously there is ego stroking as well that a parent receives when they have a high achieving child like Meghan. There is also a pattern of behavior. I used to be skeptical of Andrew Morton writing that the reason there is no record of her father actually winning the lottery is because he had a friend claim it so that he could hide the winnings from Doria, but the friend ended up cheating Markle out of most of the lottery money anyway. But now that clearly matches the behavior we've seen since the pap photo scam. There was a quote give to People Mag from a Meghan source that Meghan has been frustrated over the years by her father's inability to take any responsibility for his actions. I don't doubt the legitimacy of that quote either now.

[CTchic]

It was with the Daily Mail. Samantha did an interview with The Sunday Mirror as per the front page.

It is a theory but this dude clearly has his links with the tabloids now. These same tabloids have been working over time to hurt and humiliate Meghan ever since she came on the scene. He is not a loving father but a self entitled narcissistic sperm donor.

[Missy-]

Originally Posted by CTchic

It is a theory but this dude clearly has his links with the tabloids now. These same tabloids have been working over time to hurt and humiliate Meghan ever since she came on the scene. He is not a loving father but a self entitled narcissistic sperm donor.

Oh my, so all those years that Meghan said she had a great relationship with her father SHE WAS LYING? Gasp

[Lady Nimue]

Originally Posted by CTchic

It is a theory but this dude clearly has his links with the tabloids now. These same tabloids have been working over time to hurt and humiliate Meghan ever since she came on the scene. He is not a loving father but a self entitled narcissistic sperm donor.

I am starting to think there is an intentional effort to remove Meghan. She is just not 'one of us', what is the phrase that is used? There is an actual phrase (in British society) that is used to denote someone 'outside the pale'. The media will not go after her themselves but have found members of her family willing to do the nasty deed. The media can step aside as though blameless, saying: 'look at this'. Playing into hate and bias.

I agree with someone: this is only the beginning. There will be no let-up unless some sort of legal injunction comes into play. Otherwise, daily upset, and I cannot believe the royals will be happy with it. What a tragedy.

[Missy-]

Originally Posted by CTchic

Apparently he did this for free. However because he said some sinister things regarding Diana and Doria, he is itching for a reaction which would be a phone call from Meghan which he would record and sell to the highest bidder. That is my theory.

I doubt seriously his motivation at this point is to be in contact with his daughter, that ship has sailed. Now he's milking the doting daddy act for all it's worth and crying all the way to the bank.

[Lady Nimue]

Originally Posted by Marlo

"I am starting to think there is an intentional effort to remove Meghan".

Who is trying to remove her?

Good question. Random comment on my part. Looking at the press, and the willingness to give headlines to a clearly troubled family. There is no scandal, even. It's just over-heated gossip, the worst kind of over-the-fence animus. Why give it such play? Maybe because Meghan is not respected the way an 'English Rose' would be. Just a thought.

[Rudolph]

Originally Posted by Lady Nimue

I am starting to think there is an intentional effort to remove Meghan. She is just not 'one of us', what is the phrase that is used? There is an actual phrase (in British society) that is used to denote someone 'outside the pale'. The media will not go after her themselves but have found members of her family willing to do the nasty deed. The media can step aside as though blameless, saying: 'look at this'. Playing into hate and bias.

I agree with someone: this is only the beginning. There will be no let-up unless some sort of legal injunction comes into play. Otherwise, daily upset, and I cannot believe the royals will be happy with it. What a tragedy.

PLU. People like us?

[Lady Nimue]

Originally Posted by Rudolph

PLU. People like us?

Yes, that's it: People Like Us. PLU.