The Duchess of Sussex: Family and Background

[Osipi]

Thank you so much, m'friend, for doing that for me. I really appreciate it immensely. Podcasts and I just don't work together at all and the fault in that lies with my not so very cooperative ears. Then again, its easier for me to shut things out I don't want to hear.

One thing that stood out for me is that Emily make it a point to clarify that although Tom spoke with The Sun, it had absolutely nothing to do with her. That right there says something about her character and her professionalism as being a royal reporter. No matter where you go, there are always those that are less altruistic than others it seems.

Once again, thank you!

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by XeniaCasaraghi

Now Meghan hasn't had contact with Samantha since she was 10? I thought she hadn't seen her since her mid 20s.

Meghan isn't 10 yrs old in this photo--

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2...1932047958.jpg

Who is Samantha Grant? Meghan Markle's half-sister revealed amid family row | Daily Mail Online

[jacqui24]

Originally Posted by Osipi

One person comes to mind that needs it spelled out for them. Thomas Markle, Sr. Which is why I named him as a shining example of "obtuse".

That's because he's not objective.

Originally Posted by XeniaCasaraghi

Now Meghan hasn't had contact with Samantha since she was 10? I thought she hadn't seen her since her mid 20s.

No, they haven't seen each in 10 years. She's seen Samantha since she was 10.

[Fros]

Originally Posted by AdmirerUS

Emily washes her hands: the Tom interview was The Sun but not Emily's team. Then she tells how Meghan has not spoken to Dad since days after the wedding. She decided not speak to him and cut him out. So is that driving him to talk to the press, or he simply an idiot or is he enjoying the fame and shaming the Royal Family. They conclude to have any hope of ever hearing from her, Tom needs to shut up. Samantha is also manipulative.

Emily has stated in at least two podcasts that Meghan only spoke to her dad once after the wedding. She has said this before and after the GMB with Tom Sr. came out.

But in the GMB interview he didn't say anything about Meghan and Harry cutting off contact in fact he stated he hasn't told them about the interview and hopes they don't mind him doing it. They were still in contact with him when he went in for the GMB interview.

After the GMB interview that's when he started the new round of interviews saying he can't get in touch with Meghan. He himself has said they cut off contact to him after the GMB.

I think Emily really believes her source but keeps repeating faulty information saying they only spoke once after the wedding but Tom Markle himself said it was only after the GMB interview that he was completely cut off.

[jacqui24]

Originally Posted by Fros

Emily has stated in at least two podcasts that Meghan only spoke to her dad once after the wedding. She has said this before and after the GMB with Tom Sr. came out.

But in the GMB interview he didn't say anything about Meghan and Harry cutting off contact in fact he stated he hasn't told them about the interview and hopes they don't mind him doing it. They were still in contact with him when he went in for the GMB interview.

After the GMB interview that's when he started the new round of interviews saying he can't get in touch with Meghan. He himself has said they cut off contact to him after the GMB.

I think Emily really believes her source but keeps repeating faulty information saying they only spoke once after the wedding but Tom Markle himself said it was only after the GMB interview that he was completely cut off.

I wonder if it was Tom Sr. that cut off contact before the GMB interview? He was trying to keep this big secret from them.

[Osipi]

Frankly, I don't think Tom even realized that he was "cut off" until he tried to use Meghan's phone number and found out it was no longer in service and that the liaison at KP would not respond to him. Tom's attitude during the GMB interview was that he hoped Meghan and Harry wouldn't be upset with him for "setting his story straight". Since then, its snowballed and the more Tom doesn't hear from Meghan, the more frustrated he gets and the more he turns to the media in hopes of somehow reaching her.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." This definitely applies to Tom, Sr. right now.

[Fros]

I don't think he cut off contact. Even in that GMB interview he kept going on and on about being a footnote in history and wanting to meeting the Queen.

If I am remembering the interview correctly he seems to have tried to use the 1st part of the interview to set the record straight and get his side of the story out. It was the second part of the interview where he started talking about private conversations about Trump and Brexit that probably sent KP on red alert.

People like this they really don't know their boundaries and when Harry and Meghan forgave him for the staged photo stunt, he probably saw the GMB as no different and thought they would simply forgive him again.

The difference is it was right before their tour to Ireland and Trump's visit and broke the golden rule not to discuss royals and their political views.

That was the most damaging part for the royals because it undermined them and limit their capacity in that role and their future work IF Harry hadn't been cautious about his words.

I think that's when they truly realized how much of a dangerous loose canon they were dealing with.

If the attacks had been only been personal attacks on Meghan or if he said his side of the story and stopped it there, there is a good chance they might have forgiven him again.

Going after Harry and the royals and possibly damaging their roles in their institution. M&H probably felt continued contact would feel like an endorsement of his comments against the Queen and the Royal family or he was too big a risk now to deal with.

[Pranter]

Originally Posted by Osipi

Thank you so much, m'friend, for doing that for me. I really appreciate it immensely. Podcasts and I just don't work together at all and the fault in that lies with my not so very cooperative ears. Then again, its easier for me to shut things out I don't want to hear.

One thing that stood out for me is that Emily make it a point to clarify that although Tom spoke with The Sun, it had absolutely nothing to do with her. That right there says something about her character and her professionalism as being a royal reporter. No matter where you go, there are always those that are less altruistic than others it seems.

Once again, thank you!

They also discussed her father's claims to being in the hospital with his heart before the wedding and that reporters across the board could not find any evidence of this and insist he was at his home (they evidently were there outside it) during this time.

Also mentioned that after he did this 3 hour interview and said he was not going to talk to reporters again the next day he's back talking to reporters.


LARae

[M. Payton]

Wow........I just got a news feed about Tom Markle Jr and some letter he wrote to HM asking for a title for his father and to let Meghan see him before it is to late.......holy cow......could not believe what I was reading. I am not sure how to post links here....not a tech person the computer so it came to me from some company called Radar Online, never heard of them before so wondering how that came up.......he is back to joining the party it seems. If anyone can find it or see it maybe then it can be read or crossed off the list of junk news!

[ACO]

Originally Posted by O-H Anglophile

Meghan isn't 10 yrs old in this photo--

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2...1932047958.jpg

Who is Samantha Grant? Meghan Markle's half-sister revealed amid family row | Daily Mail Online

According to Samantha’s daughter, Meghan went to Samantha’s graduation and that was the 1st time are met her aunt. That’s her hand that’s cut out. So that pictures was the 1st time in many years Meghan has seen Samantha. After that another decade passed. So I think it’s safe to say Meghan hasn’t really had a relationship with Samantha since she was a child.

[MaiaMia_53]

Originally Posted by XeniaCasaraghi

Now Meghan hasn't had contact with Samantha since she was 10? I thought she hadn't seen her since her mid 20s.

Exactly. That stuck out for me too, because unless the photo of Meghan attending Samantha's college graduation circa 2008 is photo-shopped, then Meghan hasn't had contact with Sam since Meghan was in her mid-20s. That would mean their last tangential contact was 10 years ago, which is what has also been bandied about in the media.

If indeed the 'I was 10-years-old when I last saw her' comment came from Meghan, perhaps she's forgetting about her brief attendance reportedly with her Dad, at Sam's graduation. I can forgive Meghan forgetting about Sam's graduation in 2008 because it's likely that very little of Meghan's early contact with Samantha and Tom Jr was pleasant. Or Meghan may be discounting her appearance at the graduation celebration as being part of having any kind of direct intimate contact with Samantha. Even as a child of 10, Meghan surely did not have major one-on-one relationship interaction with Samantha, due to their huge difference in ages, as well as due to Samantha's vitriolic personality.

In 2008, Meghan was a struggling actor in Hollywood. Once Meghan achieved success in Toronto on Suits circa 2011 - 2015, I have a feeling the envious knives came out from Sam and Tom Jr in spades, resulting in a heating up of their manipulative behavior and attempts by them to shame Meghan privately within the family. Despite her success on a cable tv series, Meghan, during those years, was not a high profile public personality married into the British royal family. Thus, there were no tabloid journalists breaking down Sam's and Tom Jr's doors for negative stories and family photographs.

[Osipi]

I did find the link to what you were talking about, sis, and to me, Radar Online is about as reputable as the Daily Fail and other tabloids. It may be something that's meant to create "shock and awe" and further the Markle campaign but like the rest of the crapola that is being dished out by these people, it isn't worth the bits and bytes it takes up online. Sensationalism at its best is what I'd brand it as.

You have to know its a "shock and awe" site when it entices you to sign up to get the top 10 scandals to be had.

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...d-royal-title/

[jacqui24]

Originally Posted by Fros

Going after Harry and the royals and possibly damaging their roles in their institution. M&H probably felt continued contact would feel like an endorsement of his comments against the Queen and the Royal family or he was too big a risk now to deal with.

That's going a bit far. The members of royal family has forgiven others for their indiscretion in the past. Hardly seen as endorsement of anything. Meghan isn't contacting him because she's upset. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by MaiaMia_53

Exactly. That stuck out for me too, because unless the photo of Meghan attending Samantha's college graduation circa 2008 is photo-shopped, then Meghan hasn't had contact with Sam since Meghan was in her mid-20s. That would mean their last tangential contact was 10 years ago, which is what has also been bandied about in the media.

If indeed the 'I was 10-years-old when I last saw her' comment came from Meghan, perhaps she's forgetting about her brief attendance reportedly with her Dad, at Sam's graduation. I can forgive Meghan forgetting about Sam's graduation in 2008 because it's likely that very little of Meghan's early contact with Samantha and Tom Jr was pleasant. And Meghan may be discounting her appearance at the graduation celebration as being part of having any kind of direct intimate contact with Samantha. Even as a child of 10, Meghan surely did not have major one-on-one relationship interaction with Samantha, due to their huge difference in ages.

In 2008, Meghan was a struggling actor in Hollywood. Once Meghan achieved success in Toronto on Suits circa 2011 - 2015, I have a feeling the envious knives came out from Sam and Tom Jr in spades, resulting in a heating up of their manipulative behavior and attempts by them to shame Meghan privately within the family. Despite her success on a cable tv series, Meghan, during those years, was not a high profile public personality married into the British royal family. Thus, there were no tabloid journalists breaking down Sam's and Tom Jr's doors for negative stories and family photographs.

Where are people getting this hasn't seen her since 10 years old business?

Originally Posted by M. Payton

Wow........I just got a news feed about Tom Markle Jr and some letter he wrote to HM asking for a title for his father and to let Meghan see him before it is to late.......holy cow......could not believe what I was reading. I am not sure how to post links here....not a tech person the computer so it came to me from some company called Radar Online, never heard of them before so wondering how that came up.......he is back to joining the party it seems. If anyone can find it or see it maybe then it can be read or crossed off the list of junk news!

Radar Online isn't reliable AT ALL. They've posted pictures of topless women claiming it was Meghan several times. However, it wouldn't surprise me if this was true. Remember Tom Jr.'s other letters? Yea.

[Osipi]

With the tabloids, they're more concerned about getting that "shock and awe" impact to their readers so that they're drawn in rather than strive for journalistic accuracy in their reporting. That's why they're never considered reputable or credible sources.

[Curryong]

RadarOnLine is a downmarket so-called entertainment site in the US which, early in Harry and Meghan's romance, amused itself by putting up obviously fake nude photos of Meghan on their site. They also specialise in fake 'shocking' news about royals and celebrities. I'm not going to bother to link them.

However, just as Tom Snr's 'go-to' conduit is TMZ, so is RadarOnLine to his son. I believe it was RadarOnLine that put up Tom jnr's letters to his lawyers online early this year when he was trying to get in touch with Meg, before the wedding invites went out.

I have read Tom's scribblings in his open letter too. He wants Meghan to contact her father 'before it's too late' (he and Samantha seem to believe their father is about to cark it right now, before his next Macca's meal.) Tom says the family is frightened that Meghan is 'going to die like Diana'. He also asks the Queen to give his father a title ('he would be so proud') and, magnaminiously, says Doria should get one too! It would be comical if it wasn't so irritating.

[Osipi]

Meanwhile back at Windsor Castle, when informed of this latest rant by Meghan's half brother, the Queen calmly looks over to Philip and quips "Those silly people!" and picks up the daily racing forms.

[MaiaMia_53]

Exactly!

Originally Posted by M. Payton

Wow........I just got a news feed about Tom Markle Jr and some letter he wrote to HM asking for a title for his father and to let Meghan see him before it is to late.......holy cow......could not believe what I was reading. I am not sure how to post links here....not a tech person the computer so it came to me from some company called Radar Online, never heard of them before so wondering how that came up.......he is back to joining the party it seems. If anyone can find it or see it maybe then it can be read or crossed off the list of junk news!

Oh boy. They all seem out of a crazy cartoon. This from Tom Jr. after he previously wrote to Prince Harry pleading with him to abandon Meghan and call off the wedding. I think we are seeing contradictory and manipulative behavior from Markle Sr, Markle Jr, and Samantha. Perhaps they all suffer from an unfortunate personality trait or mental deficiency.

[M. Payton]

Originally Posted by jacqui24

Radar Online isn't reliable AT ALL. They've posted pictures of topless women claiming it was Meghan several times. However, it wouldn't surprise me if this was true. Remember Tom Jr.'s other letters? Yea.

I did not mean to start something or upset anyone here, I do not know one reliable or reputable source from another except the DF which has great pictures and I learned that here. Never heard of this Radar Online till now....and hopefully never again.....

[Fros]

Originally Posted by jacqui24

That's going a bit far. The members of royal family has forgiven others for their indiscretion in the past. Hardly seen as endorsement of anything. Meghan isn't contacting him because she's upset. Simple as that.

I think in my comment it might have come off as a cold hard business decision which wasn't my intention. It was of course a very personal decision because Meghan was very upset. I meant it was a real wake up call for both of them that Tom Sr.'s only true concern and priority is himself.

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by Osipi

Meanwhile back at Windsor Castle, when informed of this latest rant by Meghan's half brother, the Queen calmly looks over to Philip and quips "Those silly people!" and picks up the daily racing forms.

Oh my goodness, what a PERFECT response!