The Duchess of Sussex: Family and Background

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Tarlita

She could probably write very good fiction. At least that would be a good outlet for her. Being bitter and focused on one person all the time can't be good for her health.

I imagine that anyone who will buy Samantha's "In The Shadow Of The Duchess" will quickly realize that next to this book, Andrew Morton deserves a Pulitzer Prize and a Nobel Prize for Literature. This is another venture of Samantha's that I don't think is going to end well for her.

[Tarlita]

Yep I agree. It is pointless being a misery guts all your life.

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by Tarlita

A prugelknabe sounds about right! The mods can't get you for that one. Ha ha.

I believe the contestants are isolated while in the "house". But once eliminated I guess they get to go home. Have never watched the show only seen the advertisements for it. I really don't understand why anyone would watch it. I believe the demographic would be under 30s.
The guys are always buff beefcake suntanned types.
You know the sort who spend more time in front of a mirror than a woman. That's the impression of the show I get anyway.

Maybe some of the men meet your description but some previous contestants have been Verne Troyer, Dennis Rodman, and Gary Busey.
From the list of people that have been on the celebrity version of the show in the past, it seems to be a mix of people whose celebrity is waning, newer minor celebrities looking to boost their 15 minutes of fame and people who make their living by appearing on reality TV programs.
I think they are guaranteed a certain amount of money initially and win more by staying and then ultimately winning. I guess there is a strategy to the “game” that some are very good at playing. That’s the extent of my knowledge.
Some of my nieces and nephews are fans of the U.S. show and discuss it.

[AlowVera]

Originally Posted by Osipi

Its the game plan. Its all Meghan's fault. Its all on Meghan that she made a success out of her life and is going on to bigger and better things. Its all on Meghan that she is relegating her estranged (with the emphasis on strange) family to the back alley. Its all on Meghan if their father dies.

Their own family dysfunctions are inconsequential to the narrative. None of them have a stable, working relationship within the family itself and who knows, perhaps they're even perceiving it all as bringing the family together for a common cause. Tom, Jr. even seems to have taken advantage of his own father by ambushing him into making it look like there was a "reunion" of sorts.

The Blame Meghan narrative is why the media are paying this person money. She doesn't need current information, she just needs to go after Meghan.

[loonytick]

I'll admit it, I watch the US Big Brother. It's trashy, but...

I've seen just enough of the UK Big Brother to know that the rules are different (I think the public votes contestants out, whereas the people in the house have the vote in the US) but that what the producers are trying to create in terms of interaction between participants is the same.

In all versions, they're put into a "house" (really living quarters that have been built inside a massive TV studio) and allowed no communication with the outside world until they're off the show, which can be quite a while if you're the winner. It's a pressure cooker situation with little relief. The producers issue various challenges, tasks, rewards and punishments that are designed to keep everyone on edge and perhaps spur disagreements or shifts in loyalties.

I can see why producers might be tempted--she's the type who would bring the drama! But Sam's disability would really complicate things. There are all sorts of challenges she simply couldn't participate in.

I think it would be profoundly messy and a very bad thing for her to be on the show. But there might be a slight silver lining to that very dark cloud. It would probably cement her reputation as, well, a mess and a joke. And it would be interesting to see what Sr. does while she's not able to whisper in his ear.

[Tarlita]

Big brother that I have seen snippets of here in Australia are generally of young good looking people usually under the age of 35. There possibly have been episodes of older folk on these shows, but I haven't really noticed.

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by Tarlita

Big brother that I have seen snippets of here in Australia are generally of young good looking people usually under the age of 35. There possibly have been episodes of older folk on these shows, but I haven't really noticed.

Maybe that is true of the version with non-celebrities.

[jacqui24]

I used to watch Big Brother when I was little (think back to season 5 for US). It used to be a bunch of young people plus a couple of older people in the house, and they get into all kinds of shenanigans. The games to win competitions often require endurance, both physical and of the mind. I just can't see Samantha could get used to this. And if she can't do interviews about Meghan with up to date attack, I'm afraid she might go into meltdown mode.

[Marlo]

I don't believe the big brother rumor. Two weeks ago, Samantha said it was fake news. She likes the attention.

Got this from another forum.

It will cost soooooo much money to get her to London. Flight for her and her boyfriend, a nurse, extra insurance due to her medical condition, doctor on standby, and other expenses. She is such a liability.

[Tarlita]

If only Sam could put all that mental energy into something positive and do something nice. Focus on the positives of life, rather than being negative all the time, she would be a much happier person.

[AlowVera]

Originally Posted by Marlo

I don't believe the big brother rumor. Two weeks ago, Samantha said it was fake news. She likes the attention.

Got this from another forum.

Seems to me the whole "call daddy" tweets and "blame Meg if doddy dies" tweets where a way to garner attention to perhaps show the producers how messed up she is. they only cause a ruckus when they need something. Shame Meghan into calling Sr. which proves they have current access. Record the phone call and sell it to the highest bidder would give her more leverage in whatever she is doing.

[Winnie]

Originally Posted by Tarlita

If only Sam could put all that mental energy into something positive and do something nice. Focus on the positives of life, rather than being negative all the time, she would be a much happier person.

But you must realize that to people like Samantha this is a beautiful positive mental energy. She sees nothing negative about wanting to destroy someone that she has hated for decades. Her mass jealousy of Meghan being a model [which she wanted to be but failed at] and then when Meghan became famous for her role in a popular [with the youth] TV show having people adored Meghan while Sam's own family stayed clear of her was something annoying her. Jealousy and hatred are two very powerful emotions. Neither one is a sound mental state. Tom Jr. always said that Sam was a pain in the behind from day one to all in family and I truly believe him.

I still believe Samantha need massive mental help from a professional in a controlled environment for many years to help her. Her parents must have seen this warped personality trait years ago. I realize that mental health wasn't something that many families admitted to 50 plus years ago, but I am sure the signs were all there. Shame she has such a wasted life and must try to become rich destroying others. JMHO

[M. Payton]

I was talking to a professional just last week about anger, rage and revenge, one thing stuck me in the conversation is that when someone (Sam and her father) are so hell bent on getting the attention of Meghan that someone usually uses another person to get at the person whose attention they want, oh my did a thought come to me quickly about this situation, no one in the Markle family so *far* has gone after Doria, she is almost like a vanishing person in this whole debacle here which is good for her as I think she is an outstanding mother and human being. If the Markles wanted to, really really wanted to get Meghan to talk to them, then they would be bashing her loud and clear and that would bring Meghan and Harry and KP and anyone else in the royal family out of the palace for sure......yet not happening so far and hope it never does. This I am beginning to believe is just a way for them to make money and get attention as they are so lacking in self esteem and confidence to actually do something positive with their lives.....so Meghan dear stay quiet and behind that moot with the drawbridge up.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Osipi

Best solution in my book is:

Meet Thomas Markle, Sr. at the airport and treat him as the father of The Duchess of Sussex should be treated. Serve him with a restraining order prohibiting him from being anywhere near the vicinity of Meghan's person or any person of the British Royal Family.

He breaks that, grounds for arrest and deportation. Simple.

how would this be treating him "as the father of the Duchess of Sussex should be treated?"

Originally Posted by Tarlita

If only Sam could put all that mental energy into something positive and do something nice. Focus on the positives of life, rather than being negative all the time, she would be a much happier person.

Im sure she does not see it that way...

[Muhler]

My wife told me about a common psychological condition. I'm not a professional, so I'll call it "projection" for a lack of better term.

It is basically that some who suffer from adversity/unhappiness in life, one way or another, project that on someone else.
That person is then blamed for everything that is bad in life, even going to irrational lengths.
It's something that extremely common on the Net, especially on "flame-sites".

In this case Samantha may project all her misfortunes in her life, perceived or real, rational or not on one person: Meghan.
Meghan is basically evil incarnated, she is the one to blame for everything. Even on a subconscious level.
Samantha needs Meghan to avoid taking a good luck at herself. You understand what I mean? As long as she has Meghan, whom she can loathe, her misfortunes are not really her fault, and it's also a way to feel better.
It's a way of deflecting the arrows pointing at yourself.

It's a very common condition, in varying degrees. And perhaps we all possess it to some degree. I.e. it's a psychological defense mechanism, where by we blame someone else for general misfortunes, so we at least for a period don't blame ourselves.
It's a coping mechanism that makes things simpler.

Interestingly quite a few suffer from a reversed projection so to speak.
That is they pin everything that is good, and every good hopes they have for the future on one person.
That's also a psychological defense mechanism. Where you in a hard, complicated and cruel world select one person, who at least is thoroughly good, kind and blameless. You pin your hope and desire that there is something good out there on one person. - Which you become a devoted fan/follower of and you cannot and you will not see any flaws in that person.
Of course no such person exist, and in many cases they disappoint their devoted follower deeply, who may very well in such cases turn 180 degrees and positively hate the person they have previously adored!

If Meghan was abducted by aliens tonight, never to be seen again, Samantha might very well rejoice - for a time... Then she would have to find another one to loathe, in order not to, psychologically speaking, look at herself in the mirror.

- It's a deeply complicated but immensely interesting subject and I hope I made sense.

[MaiaMia_53]

I think how you explain that makes a great deal of sense.

Originally Posted by ACO

Samantha was definitely ranting, just not on twitter. She went television instead to trash talk Meghan.
https://youtube.com/watch?feature=yo...&v=g5G61Nn1UzY
Samantha does not look well. Her obsessive hatred has to be taking a toll on her.

I believe that's true too. Hatred and bitterness gets no one anywhere. Samantha will have a lot to answer for when she meets her maker. Seemingly Samantha thinks she can make a living feeding off of Meghan's fame and success in life. This path Samantha has willingly taken is far far beyond her being able to get off of it now.

The first thing Sam wanted to do when she heard about Harry dating Meghan was to break up their relationship. That was a ridiculous enterprise, but she kept at it until she realized it wouldn't work, but that there was huge money to be made ragging on Meghan for the tabloids. Briefly Sam tried to change her tune to faux half-baked conciliatory, crazily thinking she could somehow get close to Windsor Castle for the wedding. All of Sam's strange behavior smacks of serious mental health issues.

Originally Posted by Cocoasneeze

It really does look like this hate campaign she runs on Meghan is taking a toll on her. Samantha is ... never going to admit, that she's been running on hate Meghan ... but she's only lying to herself. 99% of all comments I've read are completely against her, everywhere.

Originally Posted by Tarlita

If only Sam could put all that mental energy into something positive and do something nice. Focus on the positives of life, rather than being negative all the time, she would be a much happier person.

So true. The question is, 'Why is there no one such as a doctor able to step in and provide mental health care for someone who is clearly unstable?' And, 'Why does our culture continue to reward this type of illogical, backbiting behavior which is clearly being enacted for monetary gain?'

The awful tabloids should point blank ask Samantha why she's so obsessed with the Duchess of Sussex, and completely unconcerned about repairing relationships with her own three children? Sam's two older children, she was apparently deemed unfit to raise. The youngest child had to seek solace and care from her grandmother after being emotionally abused by Sam.

That Sam is said to have received some type of college degree dealing with mental health care, I find rather astonishing.

Originally Posted by Cabbage05

... her moms side of the family who was also not invited to the wedding have remain silent unless they are just waiting for the right time to tell there stories

As I mentioned earlier, Meghan's Uncle Joseph (Doria's older half brother) did speak to the Daily Fail and sold pictures immediately after the engagement announcement. I suppose he was waiting until Prince Harry popped the question to maybe make more money and/or to ensure that M&H's relationship was permanent. In any case, Joseph said positive things about Meghan and he has kept fairly quiet since. Knowing he had no relationship with Meghan, he knew he would not be invited to the wedding.

OTOH, I've heard rumors that Meghan did invite her younger uncle, Alvin Joffrey Ragland, and his wife to her wedding, along with Ashleigh Hale (Sam's older estranged daughter). Supposedly these family members sat icognito in the nave at St. George's Chapel. If true, seating arrangements were probably made that way in order to protect their privacy and to cut down on the possibility of Sam seeing Ashleigh during the broadcast and making rude comments to the media.

[AdmirerUS]

There is enforced mental healthcare in the US only when someone is a danger to self or/and others. Simply being a mean person does not get you there.

Imagine all the people that would have to be treated every day if we enforced care for the verbally cruel on social media. We'd lose half the workforce!

[ACO]

Originally Posted by Muhler

In this case Samantha may project all her misfortunes in her life, perceived or real, rational or not on one person: Meghan.

Meghan is basically evil incarnated, she is the one to blame for everything. Even on a subconscious level.
Samantha needs Meghan to avoid taking a good luck at herself. You understand what I mean? As long as she has Meghan, whom she can loathe, her misfortunes are not really her fault, and it's also a way to feel better.

It's a way of deflecting the arrows pointing at yourself.

I have always felt this way. Samantha has hated Meghan since the day she was born. Many people in her life, including her own daughter and mother, have confirmed it.

Thomas Markle didn't raise Samantha and Tom Jr. He came back into their lives when they were teens. And when he did he brought along a new girlfriend turned wife in Doria and that produced Meghan. So they watched their father do for Meghan what he never did for them as children.

In her mind she has been competing against Doria and Meghan for Thomas' love and affection. Even now he still made it clear he cares for Doria after all these years. That GMB interview left no question she ended the marriage, not him.

So that is how it started and how the jealousy and hatred has festered. We see it in how Samantha has to talk up Thomas like he is some God in order for him to pay her attention and yet he is whining to whoever will listen that Meghan is ignoring him. He still picking Meghan (even at a distance) over Samantha.

So she will hate Meghan (and Doria) until her last breath though her issue should lay 100% on her father.

[AlowVera]

It seems to me that both father and half sibling wanted to sabotage the wedding. Contrary to popular belief they did plan on the father being in the wedding. The father said that they told him to just get on the plane, contrary to the fake image of Sr. getting measured in a back alley.....Meghan set things up for him in Beverly Hills. Harry set up a friend to act as his helper, they had several suits set up for him. Had he not went along with the half sister he would be enjoying the halo affect that Doria is experiencing.


I firmly suspect that the reason why they cut off contact with SR. is because he leaked the honeymoon in Jasper story to his favorite gossip site. After that hit the news that was all Harry and Meghan needed to know about him. I'm sure Sr. knew his contact days where numbered so he then went completely rogue.

[MaiaMia_53]

Originally Posted by AdmirerUS

There is enforced mental healthcare in the US only when someone is a danger to self or/and others. Simply being a mean person does not get you there.

Imagine all the people that would have to be treated every day if we enforced care for the verbally cruel on social media. We'd lose half the workforce!

Ah well, it's not really funny. And Samantha Markle's behavior extends well beyond simply "verbally cruel on social media."

Originally Posted by AlowVera

... I firmly suspect that the reason why they cut off contact with SR. is because he leaked the honeymoon in Jasper story to his favorite gossip site. After that hit the news that was all Harry and Meghan needed to know about him. I'm sure Sr. knew his contact days where numbered so he then went completely rogue.

This is interesting. I haven't heard about that. Where did you find this confirmed or gossiped?