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Old 07-16-2018, 08:40 PM
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Very easy to do Dman when you have been betrayed time and time again over and nothing changes for she is a grown woman now and living her own life........as each of us does.........just because a person is a parent does not make them a good or great parent, actions speak so much louder then words so...and lots of us have learned that the hard way in life.....
You guys have to let go of your own anger over the situation and realize this about a parent and daughter. It’s not easy. Period. Folks keep underestimating the fracture within the Markle family.

Either Mr. Markle will have to make his way over to London or Meghan will have to go over to him. They will have to straighten this situation out or it will continue to play out in the media.

Also, it’s not good that Harry and Mr. Markle haven’t met. They’ve talked over the phone, but a meeting face to face should’ve taken place long ago.

My heart is with Meghan. Just don’t want to see them establish their family life on shaky ground.

Obviously, Palace officials helping him isn’t working. This should be handled much more personally.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:55 PM
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I’m not angry Dman. Having a meeting doesn’t guarantee Mr. Markle’s silence. If anything, meeting his demands only guarantees a larger demand from him the next time-JMO.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:58 PM
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You guys have to let go of your own anger over the situation and realize this about a parent and daughter. It’s not easy. Period. Folks keep underestimating the fracture within the Markle family.

Either Mr. Markle will have to make his way over to London or Meghan will have to go over to him. They will have to straighten this situation out or it will continue to play out in the media.
Why? Meghan and Harry don't have to do anything and frankly people need to stop implying it is on them. This is public because Thomas Markle wanted it to be to gain his own 15 minutes so folks can stroke his ego. I get that it is complicated but I also get that sometimes it is what it is and people just have to move on. Too many want to force this relationship on Meghan. If it is not healthy (and it clearly isn't) then she has to do what is best for her own mental health. The entire Markle family are estranged for a reason.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:08 PM
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If Meghan has decided to cut contact with her father, I have no doubt it's what's best for her. And that's what she needed to do. All of this should be a private matter, but the markles have decided to make it public, use the press to make demands on Meghan, and some of the press are screaming with happiness about it.

As for Meghan meeting with Mr Markle face to face and making it clear, that he needs to zip it. That's not what Mr Markle wants. He made his demands clear. He wants to make a profit out of Meghan. He wants her to get over it, arrange a meeting NOW, roll out the red carpet, and arrange a meeting with the Queen. He said this all clearly. He won't stand Meghan demanding him to be quiet. He won't stand for a quiet, private meeting anywhere. He wants a fanfare, a very public hero worship ceremony and nothing less will do.
I believe you are right ....and I would add that he would probably want the half siblings included in a meeting with the Queen.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:14 PM
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Meghan us doing what is best for Meghan whether people on here like it or not. Now it makes perfect sense why Harry has never met him.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:24 PM
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Why? Meghan and Harry don't have to do anything and frankly people need to stop implying it is on them. This is public because Thomas Markle wanted it to be to gain his own 15 minutes so folks can stroke his ego. I get that it is complicated but I also get that sometimes it is what it is and people just have to move on. Too many want to force this relationship on Meghan. If it is not healthy (and it clearly isn't) then she has to do what is best for her on mental health. The entire Markle family are estranged for a reason.

I'm not getting why people are trying to force Meghan into an emotionally abusive relationship. Whatever you think of it, this is not a healthy relationship.
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:56 AM
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:50 AM
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Having watched clips of Thomas Snr, I have come to the conclusion that my original 'read' of him was incredibly wide of the mark. He claims he sees Megan's pain but then reiterates his demand to see HM. What has that got to do with his daughter?

The thing is that we are only hearing from the increasingly malevolent Markle clan. We do not know both sides but, in the face of this cringeworthy publicly I cannot help but believe that Megan's silence and Harry's for that matter, has the full support of the BRF.
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Old 07-17-2018, 07:02 AM
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I think Meghan is facing a choice between her father and her husband, and it's obvious she will choose Harry.

If she is in contact with her father, he will betray her trust, making difficulties for her and the BRF.

(I find it very hard to even comprehend a family behaving the way the Markles have. Maybe because I had the most wonderful parents, and this sort of thing makes me wish I'd told them so more often.)

I just don't get how someone who ought to be the most supportive person for his daughter could do this.
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Old 07-17-2018, 08:47 AM
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I think Meghan is facing a choice between her father and her husband, and it's obvious she will choose Harry.
Personally I don't think so. I think Harry would support her whatever she chose to do. If she wanted to keep in contact with Mr Markle, he would support her, trying to set boundaries, and if, as it appears she has, she wants to cut contact with Mr Markle, she has Harry's full support too.

Personally I don't think this behaviour is new to Mr Markle. I think he has for a long time been a bit of an unreliable, entitled and manipulative man with Meghan. He imho has often pitted hs children against each other. Just this time it happened so publicly, on such a colossal level, that Meghan had enough. Selling her private info against her wishes, scheming against her, not answering her calls or texts, but contacting TMZ instead were the thing that broke the camel's back. Jmho of course.
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Old 07-17-2018, 08:48 AM
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Thomas saying that Harry needs to just "Get over it" says a lot. He is putting that Father vs Husband thing out there and he will lose every single time. The changed number proves that.
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Old 07-17-2018, 08:54 AM
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Thomas saying that Harry needs to just "Get over it" says a lot. He is putting that Father vs Husband thing out there and he will lose every single time. The changed number proves that.
I think that was one of the worst aspects of these interviews. He removed Meghan's own voice and choice, and made this Harry's choice, which I very strongly doubt it was. He pretty much did it throughout the whole interview. It's either the palace or Harry forcing Meghan to cut contact, she's not her happy bubbly self because of the life style she's forced to live and the clothes she's made to wear. No where in there did Meghan have a choice.
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:03 AM
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Personally I don't think so. I think Harry would support her whatever she chose to do. If she wanted to keep in contact with Mr Markle, he would support her, trying to set boundaries, and if, as it appears she has, she wants to cut contact with Mr Markle, she has Harry's full support too.

Personally I don't think this behaviour is new to Mr Markle. I think he has for a long time been a bit of an unreliable, entitled and manipulative man with Meghan. He imho has often pitted hs children against each other. Just this time it happened so publicly, on such a colossal level, that Meghan had enough. Selling her private info against her wishes, scheming against her, not answering her calls or texts, but contacting TMZ instead were the thing that broke the camel's back. Jmho of course.
I am beginning to see that connection too. We are seeing it now. First he was like "my eldest daughter is the worse" now its "Meghan should have mended bridges in the family for the wedding because she is an actress (???????)" and then back again toward "Sam is making things worse" but no wait! It is really Meghan that is in the wrong and now I may die but no one cares.

Its dizzying. I think its entirely plausible that her supported Meghan in many ways as a child, teen and young adult, but that he also played games at the same time. Perhaps the years right before the engagement they were in a good place relationship wise because I do think Meghan had some level of trust toward her dad to have him involved in the wedding and to have told him she was dating Harry before it was public. And he kept that to himself. I really find him the most perplexing person in the royal world right now. So many different stories and contradictions from him and about him.

I also found it strange that after her teens/college, we have have seen no pics of Meghan with her dad. Even the pics he sold () are from her childhood. From her instagram, she visited him in MX in May 2016 and spent Thanksgiving with both her parents in 2016, I believe, in LA.

Meghan still called her dad and tried to see him after the stunt he pulled at the wedding (according to him) and Harry supported her, so I do not think she simply rolled up shop the way some people portray it. I fully believe her dad's actions are a complete betrayal of trust in a way that not even her former best friend's and siblings could be. If the decision was made to finally cut ties after the GMB interview, it came from Meghan and Meghan alone IMO.
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I think that was one of the worst aspects of these interviews. He removed Meghan's own voice and choice, and made this Harry's choice, which I very strongly doubt it was. He pretty much did it throughout the whole interview. It's either the palace or Harry forcing Meghan to cut contact, she's not her happy bubbly self because of the life style she's forced to live and the clothes she's made to wear. No where in there did Meghan have a choice.
He is doing that because in his own mind he can't accept the fact that Meghan has cut him off herself. To him the only way she would do that if it she was being forced therefore to him this is Harry's fault and Meghan is miserable and forcing smile or whatever nonsense he was spewing. It is classic deflection.
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:20 AM
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I have read many years ago by royal correspondents that the Royal family are very good at and quite ruthless at cutting someone out of their lives if they feel betrayed. No warning or wanting an explanation. Just no more personal contact. It appears that this may have happened here with her father saying he can no longer contact his daughter.
Also Royal schedules are usually set up well in advance. It is not unusual for them to have a full diary six months in advance. So if Meghan had really wanted the time to visit her Dad with Harry then that would have been pencilled in a long time ago. And I would have thought a visit with her Dad would have happened by now.
So perhaps Meghans intention was always to keep a long distance relationship with him. And now that he has shown he can't be trusted then all communication has shut down.
I guess he will annoy Doria for a contact number. My heart goes out to Meghan she just wants what we all want. Genuine love and a family to raise and be part of. I hope she gets her wish.
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You guys have to let go of your own anger over the situation and realize this about a parent and daughter. Itís not easy. Period. Folks keep underestimating the fracture within the Markle family.

Either Mr. Markle will have to make his way over to London or Meghan will have to go over to him. They will have to straighten this situation out or it will continue to play out in the media.

Also, itís not good that Harry and Mr. Markle havenít met. Theyíve talked over the phone, but a meeting face to face shouldíve taken place long ago.

My heart is with Meghan. Just donít want to see them establish their family life on shaky ground.

Obviously, Palace officials helping him isnít working. This should be handled much more personally.
You can't handle things with an extortionist and an emotional abuser. The most they can do is bring in a third party mediator. Markle has all the privilege that Meghan and her mother do not have. In spite of his repeated actions to the contrary the media cries out that he is the victim when his actions say the opposite. Meghan has to do everything she can to protect her OWN sanity especially when the UK media sides with the privileged abuser. This is their game and they have decided that no matter what Meghan will be the loser.
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Old 07-17-2018, 10:06 AM
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I think Mr Markle should stop speaking publically and just write his daughter an old fashioned letter or two to keep private contact open. Whether or not Meghan trusts enough to respond, or how, will be up to her and her response may change over the years. Mr Markle has brought about a very non private way of communicating; it seems very odd to me.
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Old 07-17-2018, 10:57 AM
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I do not understand him why does he keeps going to press? Does he has dementia? The fact that he said her cell phone number does not work any more, means now that she is Royal got a new number for several reasons, and she probably gives her new number to anyone she wants, yes it is surprising she would not give it to her own father but it might be a matter of security because he can not be trusted. He could ask the number to Doria, I am sure she has it. Also he does not have an adreess to write? como en go to internet and look the website, , Please somebody can correct me here but it is not 2 website one with the Royal family and the other is a website for William, Harry , Kate and Meghan? I am sure there has an address to write. He should to sop make money this way. and I agree with other post here, if Meghan wanted to see her father she would had already done. Anybody remember when Maxima got married and her father wasn't allow in the wedding, Alexander surprise Maxima in the honey moon, taking her to London where her parents were. it is more to this story about Meghan and her father that we do not know. And also I seen in the future her mother moving to the UK.
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I think Mr Markle should stop speaking publically and just write his daughter an old fashioned letter or two to keep private contact open. Whether or not Meghan trusts enough to respond, or how, will be up to her and her response may change over the years. Mr Markle has brought about a very non private way of communicating; it seems very odd to me.
Yes, a private letter would be lovely and proper which a father would usually do. But, and a huge one, a private letter would not make him any of the sweet money he is getting from every interview he is making.
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A letter? Like the ones who showed The Sun that she wrote him a few years ago? Oy.
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