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Old 06-29-2018, 03:05 AM
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She's the selfish one, her father is a victim of her actions.
Because she had the sheer temerity to [as ALL people have a RIGHT to], pursue her own aims, to fall in love and marry whomsoever THEY choose , and to live HER life?
Having Children does not bestow ownership over them.. they have absolute rights on what choose to do [as Adults].
It is over possessive Parents, [like Markle Sr] who are selfish...
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Old 06-29-2018, 06:48 AM
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Its unfortunate because lately I see Harry and Meghan acting differently lately, and I think its due to this. I hope I'm just reading things wrong. Either way, if I was Meghan I would never talk to Tom again.

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I can’t see how anyone could see Harry and Meghan acting differently. She has just joined the family we don’t know what her normal is yet
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Old 06-29-2018, 07:26 AM
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Because she had the sheer temerity to do [as ALL Children have a RIGHT to do], to pursue her own aims, to fall in love and marry whomsoever THEY choose , and to live HER life?
Having Children does not bestow ownership upon them.. they have absolute rights on what they do [as Adults].
It is over possessive Parents, [like Markle Sr] who are selfish...
Exactly, adult children are NOT beholden to their parents and should be able to make their own choices and live their own lives.
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Old 06-29-2018, 07:52 AM
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Tom Sr is not entitled to the following: RPOS, a mansion with servants, his living and medical expenses, a more affluent lifestyle paid for by Meghan because he paid for her education and she's royal. He's able to afford the finer things and pay his bills thanks to his backhanded deals. Nothing from him now because he realizes the majority of the public and press have turned on him.
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Old 06-29-2018, 10:04 AM
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can we please acknowledge that this is not a typical situation and people do act differently in situations that they just aren't ready to handle, and doesn't indicate how their entire relationship has been? Or how about we can say an adult is responsible for his own action without saying others are at fault because they didn't support him enough? I think as adults, we all know support from loved ones just aren't enough to prevent someone from making bad decisions. It's one thing to say what he did was wrong, but this has just gone too far too many times.

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He's not a scammer, he's a guy who had a quiet life set up just the way he wanted it. His kids were on their own, he never saw them and that was fine with all concerned. Now suddenly, because his daughter has a relationship with a prince, he's dragged into the limelight, one that his daughter has courted all her adult life but he never wanted.

He didn't sign up for this, Meghan did. Because of her he has had his privacy invaded and his world turned upside down. He supported her and was a good father by Meghan's own accounts. I feel sorry for him, and I think his daughter has failed him miserably. She's the selfish one, her father is a victim of her actions.
If you think it's unfair that he became a target for the media outside of his own control, how about you fault the media rather than his daughter? And no, she hasn't courted attention. In fact, she has ALWAYS been very discreet about her personal life. She did her job as an actress and promoted certain things when necessary, but her personal life was always off limits. That is the one negative aspect of getting involved with someone like Harry. But she fell in love with him, and obviously tried to make the best of the situation. She didn't send the media to her father. In fact, she's been telling them to back off while he decided he knew better than her and made a colossal mess of things.
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Old 06-29-2018, 10:24 AM
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This thread just keeps going off the rails. As soon as someone presents a logical theory, others have to take it to the extreme. And can we please acknowledge that this is not a typical situation and people do act differently in situations that they just aren't ready to handle, and doesn't indicate how their entire relationship has been? Or how about we can say an adult is responsible for his own action without saying others are at fault because they didn't support him enough? I think as adults, we all know support from loved ones just aren't enough to prevent someone from making bad decisions. It's one thing to say what he did was wrong, but this has just gone too far too many times.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt but his stunts with TMZ and GMB prove that was pointless. He really is no better than his other kids in my eyes. The staged pictures we just the beginning though felt bad for the man and made excuses. Then he kept going. What is next? If people think he is a crappy father it is a well earned titled he has bestowed onto himself. That doesn't change the past actions but the past is the past and we are talking the present.
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Old 06-29-2018, 10:29 AM
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I gave him the benefit of the doubt but his stunts with TMZ and GMB prove that was pointless. He really is no better than his other kids in my eyes. The staged pictures we just the beginning though felt bad for the man and made excuses. Then he kept going. What is next? If people think he is a crappy father it is a well earned titled he has bestowed onto himself. That doesn't change the past actions but the past is the past and we are talking the present.
I'm not one to make excuse for his behavior. I didn't even feel bad for him when the whole thing went down before the wedding. It was the wrong thing to do. However, when people starts going off on his entire relationship with his daughter, that's simply unfounded and not true based on what Meghan herself and those that have been around them (I'm not talking about her half-siblings) have witnessed. Relationships are never just now, but over time. Everyone makes bad decisions. Parents make shitty decisions. I have no problem with people talking about each incident, but to be completely dismissive of their entire relationship is going quite far.
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Old 06-29-2018, 01:03 PM
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Currently his behavior is unbecoming and untrustworthy and also creates a toxic environment. Removing yourself from a toxic person or environment does not make her a bad daughter. Not allowing others to manipulate you does not make you selfish.
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Old 06-29-2018, 02:00 PM
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Your comment brought to mind a book I read many decades ago and still to this day have it by my bedside table, it is worn and underlined and well used and I have recommended it to many others, it is called *Learning to Love Yourself* all about toxin relationship and walking away from those that have hurt and betrayed a loved one what was family. Took a while to sink it, yet it did, best advice to Meghan or anyone who has repeatedly betrayed her trust and honor is to close that door and keep it shut tight.....it is your life now, not theirs and you owe nobody your life period.
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Old 07-15-2018, 01:41 PM
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So apparently Meghan's dad is wanting some attention again.
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Old 07-15-2018, 01:52 PM
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So apparently Meghan's dad is wanting some attention again.
Yeah, I hate the fact the the Markles went to the media with their personal family matters in the first place. It’s not the place to conduct the issues. Leave it to phone calls, texts and family meetings.
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Old 07-15-2018, 01:56 PM
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To be honest, their time in the limelight is dying out and purely nonsense and not worth paying attention to at all. Not worth giving them the time of day in my book. Totally irrelevant to the life and times of The Duchess of Sussex.

I did check out what you were alluding to, XeniaCasaraghi, and methinks the man needs a little bit of cheese to go with his whine and perhaps a rubber mallet to drum into him that one does *not* talk to the press. Thats where his problems lie.
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Old 07-15-2018, 02:03 PM
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Every time an article pops up about them, I roll my eyes. So over them and their nonsense. I don't even read those. If her father wanted in, he should have curbed his desire to completely embarrass her in public.
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Old 07-15-2018, 03:08 PM
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Every time an article pops up about them, I roll my eyes. So over them and their nonsense. I don't even read those. If her father wanted in, he should have curbed his desire to completely embarrass her in public.
You voiced how I feel about this issue better than I could've. These articles aren't worth wasting time over (I see the titles, yawn and then move on!).
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Old 07-15-2018, 05:27 PM
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I don't like the Markles as most of you know, and I certainly believe that Tom should just shut up.

However, his remark about Meghan's smile looking pained on some public engagements resonated with me. I've followed her since October 2016 and it does seem to me that at times the spark that she used to have seems to have dimmed somewhat.

It has nothing whatever to do with what Tom went on to rant about, the attitudes and customs of the BRF, which he doesn't understand. I believe that the Royal family have been warm and welcoming to Meghan. However, I also believe that the British media, including the tabloids, have been in attack mode since last November.

the British tabloids have attacked her on protocol but it hasn't stopped there. There have been critiques on her feminist credentials, her hugging people (in Scotland,) dress sense, bringing the monarchy into disrepute/trying to 'bring down an age old institution' by her demeanour and so-called attitudes, and on and on in the same mode.

It's easy to dismiss these tabloids, especially the Fail, but the fact is they are read by millions and can form opinion in Britain. This is a very new member of the Royal family who is trying very hard to fit in. Frankly, I have seen Meghan looking subdued and a little bit confused at times on more formal occasions, and I know it must be so very difficult for her, and how painful the continuing negativity of the Press in her husband's country must be.

I'm no advocate for Tom Markle but he knows his daughter, and if he says she looks pained at times I believe him, unfortunately.
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Old 07-15-2018, 05:35 PM
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That man does not blame the media with whom he is in cahoots with, he blames Meghan's new family. His remarks are self serving and manipulative. If she is not smiling as she used to perhaps its because her so called Dad continues to sell her out, continues to harm her husband and continues to behave in an unbecoming manner.


I'm not going to soften that man's actions because he is the cause of her pain.
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No matter what, its only been since November that Meghan has been thrust front and center into a very glaring and brightly lit center spot on the world stage and, unfortunately, a lot of results from that limelight has been the cackles and the glee of those that make it their job to put Meghan "in her place" or find anything and everything to fill up the column spaces to attract the clicks and the readerships.

If I had to describe what Meghan may possibly be going through at this time, it would most likely be akin to having "combat fatigue". Combat fatigue is defined as "psychological disturbance caused by prolonged exposure to active warfare, especially being under bombardment". This most certainly is what Meghan has been experiencing now for quite a while. Even if she's adept at tuning out the "noise", she doesn't live under a rock.

Mr. Markle's whines are just adding to this problem. He's best off ignored.
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Old 07-15-2018, 05:52 PM
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No matter what, its only been since November that Meghan has been thrust front and center into a very glaring and brightly lit center spot on the world stage and, unfortunately, a lot of results from that limelight has been the cackles and the glee of those that make it their job to put Meghan "in her place" or find anything and everything to fill up the column spaces to attract the clicks and the readerships.

If I had to describe what Meghan may possibly be going through at this time, it would most likely be akin to having "combat fatigue". Combat fatigue is defined as "psychological disturbance caused by prolonged exposure to active warfare, especially being under bombardment". This most certainly is what Meghan has been experiencing now for quite a while. Even if she's adept at tuning out the "noise", she doesn't live under a rock.

Mr. Markle's whines are just adding to this problem. He's best off ignored.

Combat fatigue aptly describes how it seems the public is now reacting to yet another exclusive interview by That man. With every interview the smaller the outrage cycle and the more he seems like an annoying gnat that will not go away.



What I find interesting is given all the inconsistencies, why does the media take his word at face value.


He has admitted time and time again that Harry and Meghan told him to just get on the plane and everything would be waiting for him. He told Harry and Meghan NOT to visit. And yet here he is whining about not getting an audience with The Queen, etc etc.


The press allows this because Markle has the privilege of getting the benefit of the doubt while Meghan has to PROVE she is worthy.
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Old 07-15-2018, 06:11 PM
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When it comes to the media, the first, primary and utmost concern they have is the green dollars that their articles will put into their pockets. That's it in a nutshell. Integrity is not a word these people understand.

Talking to the media by *anybody* that is close to Meghan, Harry or any of the royal family is playing right into these greedy mitts and opens the door to continued heckling and poking and prodding for more "information" and causes said person to be totally excluded from the "circle of trust" that royals depend on.

Having a phone number that no longer reaches Meghan nor being unable to contact and talk to anyone at Kensington Palace should tell anyone with a half of a brain that there is a reason for it. Some people just cannot figure it all out and realize that in reality, its the *media* that is presenting the problem and one is a patsy being led to say more and more and that further estranges said person from the person he desperately wants to reach.

IMO, right now I think an apt statement to make about people that talk to the media about Meghan, personally, fit into the statement that goes "one can never make a stupid person do an intelligent thing".
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Old 07-15-2018, 06:34 PM
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I don't think her smile is pained or that it's because of her new family. That's garbage that Tom Markle is putting out.

I find the biggest difference is Meghan seems stiffer than before, she was much more natural in her actions and interactions with people in the beginning.

I find now she is now more measured in her reactions, second guesses herself more and seems like she is overthinking things sometimes that makes her seem lost or confused. I think scrutiny is a touch bit more than she expected as the media writes a bunch of garbage articles about all her interactions with everyone.

This actually made me sad as I feel she was great before and I keep waiting for her to relax when I see her in public now. She'll be back to her old self once she gets more comfortable into the swing of things and I look forward to it.
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