The Duchess of Sussex: Family and Background

[Fros]

I was actually surprised to find out Tom Markle Sr. was still in contact with Sam, considering Sam is estranged from her own mom and children. I though he was estranged from her too but wasn't publically saying anything about how she was treating Meghan but stayed quiet because it would bring more attention and family drama. Lol little did I know.

I don't know how Meghan could continue to stay in touch with him after knowing he was in contact with Sam and wasn't doing anything about it.

I believe that whatever contact there was between Meghan and her dad is on indefinite hold right now.If it wasn't already the comments about Harry, Brexit and Trump must have been the last straw. I think Meghan by now is quite used to him hurting and disappointing her, but to do something that could have been that big that could have potentially done damage to Harry's future career as a royal (Thank God Harry played it safe with him). I think she would have kept forgiving if he only went after her but going after Harry probably crossed a line and went too far.

[AdmirerUS]

It's quite easy to stay in touch with family that has loose lips. You simply focus on them and what they are doing while being very vague about yourself. Give nothing of importance away. Always saying, yes we would love that we are just so darn busy right now.

I think we almost all have that relative that mines us for info only to spread anything we tell them to anyone that will listen. We eventually learn to not go into detail. Repeating over and and over that we are fine, that is fine, that we had not heard that and then to move on to chatting up the weather or listening to what they want to talk about (while not commenting).

If Meghan has not learned how to do this, she needs to learn.

[Fijiro]

It is one thing if the siblings do that - there's a word for it - sibling rivalry. When a father does it, there's no word for it.

[Madame Verseau]

I read on one site that the BRF is playing the long game. When the press realizes none of the Markles have access they're done with them. GMB has not addressed the freeze out on the and Piers has not attacked the palace for it. They knew this would happen to Sr for telling tales out of school, but they got what they wanted and they are leaving him in the dirt. But Sr played along but in the end got played.

[Marlo]

On Heir, Omid said the last time Meghan spoke to her father was the day after the wedding.

[AlowVera]

Originally Posted by AdmirerUS

It's quite easy to stay in touch with family that has loose lips. You simply focus on them and what they are doing while being very vague about yourself. Give nothing of importance away. Always saying, yes we would love that we are just so darn busy right now.

I think we almost all have that relative that mines us for info only to spread anything we tell them to anyone that will listen. We eventually learn to not go into detail. Repeating over and and over that we are fine, that is fine, that we had not heard that and then to move on to chatting up the weather or listening to what they want to talk about (while not commenting).

If Meghan has not learned how to do this, she needs to learn.

We all have hi/bye/smile relatives. Only problem is these relatives have overactive imaginations and they lie all the time.

No contact is the best for toxic family. Sr. will rear his pitiful head during family events but of course he won't change his ways.

He now wants to set up a truce? so basically a way to give his family access to Meg. Access is what they want so they can sell their stories.

[Lady Reem]

Originally Posted by Fros

I was actually surprised to find out Tom Markle Sr. was still in contact with Sam, considering Sam is estranged from her own mom and children. I though he was estranged from her too but wasn't publically saying anything about how she was treating Meghan but stayed quiet because it would bring more attention and family drama. Lol little did I know.

I don't know how Meghan could continue to stay in touch with him after knowing he was in contact with Sam and wasn't doing anything about it.

I believe that whatever contact there was between Meghan and her dad is on indefinite hold right now.If it wasn't already the comments about Harry, Brexit and Trump must have been the last straw. I think Meghan by now is quite used to him hurting and disappointing her, but to do something that could have been that big that could have potentially done damage to Harry's future career as a royal (Thank God Harry played it safe with him). I think she would have kept forgiving if he only went after her but going after Harry probably crossed a line and went too far.

I think Meghan already knew what he was like ages ago and protected herself somewhat, but him bringing that behaviour into her marriage is now a complete game changer and wake up call. She knows he’s untrustworthy a person who colludes with his other daughter, others and that given half the chance they will continue to exploit/reveal private information or make stuff up about her marriage/RF for cash etc. But M&H aren’t stupid and I am sure that while they continue to ignore all noise from that odious side - appropriate measures are already in place to protect themselves & other members of the BRF as well as ensure that privacy is maintained.

[Marlo]

I know Us Weekly is not a reliable source but I believe it.

Meghan is upset and disturbed by the entire ordeal and just wants to move past it,” the source tells Us. “She doesn’t want to let anything ruin her day and is trying to keep focus on the weekend.”

The insider adds that Meghan’s relationship with her father “has always been strained” because of “his ill thought-out decisions and his lack of responsibility.”


https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...taging-photos/

[Lady Reem]

but wasn't publically saying anything about how she was treating Meghan but stayed quiet because it would bring more attention and family drama.

Given that Markle Sr hasn’t been backward in coming forward on all things H&M, and his ‘IMMAGGEEEE’ - what sort of “loving father” sits back without uttering a word of condemnation against the atrocious stuff that was being said and bullying of his youngest child by his eldest two in his name ? One who colludes with the perpetrators in question, that’s who!

Originally Posted by AlowVera

We all have hi/bye/smile relatives. Only problem is these relatives have overactive imaginations and they lie all the time.

No contact is the best for toxic family. Sr. will rear his pitiful head during family events but of course he won't change his ways.

He now wants to set up a truce? so basically a way to give his family access to Meg. Access is what they want so they can sell their stories.

Exactly.

[Muhler]

I think it will basically only end when someone from the BRF, most likely Harry, let it publicly be know that sister and dad has been cut off as a result of their behavior. Meghan can't say it, it will have to be a "born" member of the BRF.
It will be a dent in H&M's image and it will cause a major stir - for a period. - But that's nothing to being publicly disowned, discredited and disgraced by a senior royal.
That will also explain why they are never invited to a family event, why dad never see "his beloved grandchild" and in the extreme why they are turned away at the palace gate.

Having said that the simplest (and perhaps best) solution is to ignore them and let dad and sis dig their own graves. IMO they are doing a stellar job doing that themselves!

[Fros]

I don't think it ends when Harry says (also it shouldn't be Harry if something like this were to happen it has to come from Meghan) if they respond it gives the Markles exactly what they want a reaction. It ends when everyone stops giving the Markles attention.

What Harry and Meghan are doing right now is exactly the right this, they aren't getting involved and the Markles are embarrassing themselves and tripping over their own lies.

Will they pop up once in a while? Yes. But unless something major happens every time they go to the press they continue to discredit themselves and each time there are less and less people paying attention.

[AlowVera]

Originally Posted by Fros

I don't think it ends when Harry says (also it shouldn't be Harry if something like this were to happen it has to come from Meghan) if they respond it gives the Markles exactly what they want a reaction. It ends when everyone stops giving the Markles attention.

What Harry and Meghan are doing right now is exactly the right this, they aren't getting involved and the Markles are embarrassing themselves and tripping over their own lies.

Will they pop up once in a while? Yes. But unless something major happens every time they go to the press they continue to discredit themselves and each time there are less and less people paying attention.

The Markles are always looking for ways to worm in and control the narrative, things like the crest, the wedding, any family thing they can tie back to them. The further away from the wedding we get the less interest in them because they can't tie it back to them. They will resurface during births, birthdays, holidays etc. They played themselves. Imagine being a grown adult and having nothing going on. At least the nephews started a real business.

[Osipi]

One thing that mystifies me still is the reports that have come out about the Father's Day card and that Tom Sr. feels he's been frozen out by Kensington Palace. First off, the interview with GMB was after Father's Day and I don't recall Tom saying anything about that at all but I have seen it attributed to Samantha. The other thing, being frozen out by KP. There are a couple aspects to these remarks that keep me awake at night (well... that's exaggeration but you get my drift) Is this pointing to a fact that in order to get in contact with Meghan, *all* of them have to go through Kensington Palace channels first? Why not state that Meghan and Harry are freezing them out? I do remember Samantha stating that she doesn't have a contact number for Meghan but planned on getting it from her father. Did Meghan take precautionary measures and change her contact numbers leaving the Markles in the dark? I think that would be something I'd do.

Right now Harry and Meghan would be very astute to keep all of the Markle relations at arm's length, not react at all to them and focus on their lives ahead of them. They have concrete reasons for doing so and if the drawbridge is up and the moat is filled, there'll be far less hassle in their castle to worry about.

[rominet09]

Originally Posted by Osipi

One thing that mystifies me still is the reports that have come out about the Father's Day card and that Tom Sr. feels he's been frozen out by Kensington Palace. First off, the interview with GMB was after Father's Day and I don't recall Tom saying anything about that at all but I have seen it attributed to Samantha. The other thing, being frozen out by KP. There are a couple aspects to these remarks that keep me awake at night (well... that's exaggeration but you get my drift) Is this pointing to a fact that in order to get in contact with Meghan, *all* of them have to go through Kensington Palace channels first? Why not state that Meghan and Harry are freezing them out? I do remember Samantha stating that she doesn't have a contact number for Meghan but planned on getting it from her father. Did Meghan take precautionary measures and change her contact numbers leaving the Markles in the dark? I think that would be something I'd do.

Right now Harry and Meghan would be very astute to keep all of the Markle relations at arm's length, not react at all to them and focus on their lives ahead of them. They have concrete reasons for doing so and if the drawbridge is up and the moat is filled, there'll be far less hassle in their castle to worry about.

I really hope that they are left alone, what a nightmare it must be to have family (?) betraying you like that just for money

[MARG]

As an aside, the sale of the morning suit made for Thomas Markle, if indeed that was the one, would have been a freebie to the Tailor. The BRF do not leave bills unpaid and regardless of whether or not Mr Markle attended the wedding, the account would be settled.

To be honest I thought the waistcoat was pretty rough and made of the same dark material as the jacket, which I have never seen any royal except Charles wear and he wears a very fine pale grey morning suit. Also, somewhere in all this, the term "suits" was used and that would make sense if you were going to welcome your father-in-law and introduce him to your family he would need ordinary day suits as well as the morning suit.

If and I really do mean "if" they told the tailor to dispose of them it would be a clear signal that they did not intend to have him come to visit them in the UK at any time in the future.

[Madame Verseau]

There is a wild card in this Markle morass. Sr's female companion in Mexico that lives in his community, the woman who is half his age. She may know where the bodies are buried with the family scams and could be negotiating a deal behind his back.

[Ish]

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[AlowVera]

It seems Tom Sr. will have a pattern of talking to TMZ/media on days Meghan has engagements. However it seems the impact factor of his statements are shorter and create very little outrage. People are exhausted by their predictable antics. By mentioning The Queen he shows his true colors and seems to only want attention regardless of whether it is bad.

[Terri Terri]

OK...so Senior is using Samantha's tactics. Two peas in a pod! But as you said...there is less of an impact.

[JR76]

Why not just ignore the Markles completely? Every time you read articles about them or comment on something one of them said you give them just what they want - attention.

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