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Old 06-24-2018, 10:37 AM
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Whether Meghan goes she has RPOs. If Harry and Meghan were to come Sr's home would have to be secured. That's working with the US or Mexican governments and law enforcement, given the attention on this issue. Sr made himself a security risk with his big mouth, an NDA with no money for him or the family, and the tabloids would be frozen out because they won't be able to.get their money shots.
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Old 06-24-2018, 11:03 AM
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Whether Meghan goes she has RPOs. If Harry and Meghan were to come Sr's home would have to be secured. That's working with the US or Mexican governments and law enforcement, given the attention on this issue. Sr made himself a security risk with his big mouth, an NDA with no money for him or the family, and the tabloids would be frozen out because they won't be able to.get their money shots.
What do you think an NDA is going to do? I feel like this has been in the media so much without being properly explained in a legal and practical context that people are beginning to feel like that’s the solution to all issues. Reality is that NDA would have no use in this case and NDA with no money is going to be tossed out by the courts in a hot second.
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Old 06-24-2018, 11:19 AM
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I don't see how they can visit him or even talk to him, he is not trust worthy and more than likely he ran to the press after their last conversation. Given the most recent articles he is still jockeying for an invite or visit. He is still trying to get his "place in history" so any children they have he will want to be apart of their lives.


They can treat him "diplomatically" fly him in, keep any personal contact to a minimum and in an official location or with a third party, then fly him out. Keep all conversation on diplomatic topics like hi/bye, nice weather, smile.
but if he said that he told the pair not to visit him, how can he be looking for an inivite or visit?
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Old 06-24-2018, 11:26 AM
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but if he said that he told the pair not to visit him, how can he be looking for an inivite or visit?
He said that he told them not to visit him while he was recovering but concentrate on wedding and honeymoon instead. He aldo added that he looked forward to meeting them shortly in London. No contradiction at all.
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Old 06-24-2018, 11:59 AM
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In recent times since Mr Markle *ahem* found his voice I wonder why he hasn’t outright disputed as lies the rubbish his eldest children have been saying about his “beloved” daughter? What about the bullying, why hasn’t he condemned the reprehensible behaviour of those two towards his youngest? He claims he’s all about his so-called “image” but what about his ‘dear’ Meghan and what she’s been through at the hands of his own family? What about her reputation? It’s not like he’s some shy & retiring type, and he can’t be accused of modesty given his ongoing penchant for revealing private information about his “beloved” daughter and her new husband. And for a price no less. He embarrassed Meghan with his scam, but I think there’s also a tendency to forget how devious this man is knowing Harry & palace officials went to bat against the media on his behalf and he humiliated them in the process. Not content with the hurt & damage he’d caused them he then went on to collude with the media outlet TMZ in the lead up to his “beloved” daughter’s wedding while knowing all along he was disrespecting his “beloved” daughter’s wishes and going against palace advice, YET AGAIN. He has since gone on to spew on national tv even more private information about H&M the veracity of which is in doubt given his dubious nature. This is not a person who doesn’t know right from wrong and it’s disingenuous to patronise folk with that excuse. IMO he comes across as a selfish underhanded character, and his actions are definitely not those of a loving caring father.
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Old 06-24-2018, 12:00 PM
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well that seems fair enough to me, if he was unwell he might not have wanted a visit.. but some have said that he didn't give a reason why he didn't want her to visit. If he was ill, it seems reasonable to say "wait till Im better, or I will come to London to see you." If he just said he didn't want them to visit, without a reason, it would seem like they don't realy get on thtat well....
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Old 06-24-2018, 12:01 PM
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I'm not sure how true this is, but I wouldn't be surprised

BANNED: Meghan Markle’s dad barred from royal events after blindsiding TV interview | Canoe

Life may be too extreme but I can see BP freezing him out until Sr can prove he can keep his mouth shut. The BRF is not mad at Meghan, but you bet they can't trust Sr as far as they can throw him After what he did they will never trust him and if he does show up they will be civil but they will have their guard up . I wouldn't tell personal details to him either; it may find this way to the tabloids by way of Sam.
Actually think this is a "fake news" story as I can't see the Queen or Prince Charles refusing to meet Mr. Markel. But I just don't see the big problem here. Did the Royal Family EVER invite Princess Anne or Edward's in-laws to royal events [other than proper christening of children]? It was only William who insisted that his wife's much loved by him parents not be pushed aside. He was the one that realized how important his new in-laws were to his wife and desired that closeness for his family. Apparently William and the Middletons are still close and visit each other quietly and happily. It is only the media that still likes to stir crap if they can.

The Royals are a tight run "business" and each has their role and position. They are not going to change no matter what certain outsiders feel they should do.
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Old 06-24-2018, 12:03 PM
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Being well off does not prevent anyone from being extra greedy and nursing ulterior motives.
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Old 06-24-2018, 01:11 PM
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IMO Meghan and father haven’t been close prior to the wedding for reasons we’ll never know. The dilemma, to me, was what to do with him re wedding. Watching this play out shows us his lack of character. His appetite for “I want” is a certainty now with his daughter’s position. Unfortunately greed has no bounds nor cure.
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Old 06-24-2018, 01:56 PM
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He seems to be doing fine financially (owning two houses is a clear indication), living in a retirement village (typically done by people with money); if needed he could decide to sell one of his properties. And if he was worried about them visiting him in Mexico, they could have easily met in LA or have him come over to London,

Is it a certainty that he owns that property?
If he filed for bankruptcy as recently as 2016, I don't see it as likely.


And living in Mexico is sometimes done solely because it is cheaper than living in the USA.
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Old 06-24-2018, 01:57 PM
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well that seems fair enough to me, if he was unwell he might not have wanted a visit.. but some have said that he didn't give a reason why he didn't want her to visit. If he was ill, it seems reasonable to say "wait till Im better, or I will come to London to see you." If he just said he didn't want them to visit, without a reason, it would seem like they don't realy get on thtat well....
It's not that the wedding was the first opportunity. The fact that he hasn't met Harry in the almost 2 years that they have known each other of which they were about at least 1 1/2 years serious about their relationship and about 6 months engaged already indicates that they aren't that close. Not meeting in the last month is not that indicative to me, it's mainly all the months before in which it either was not important to Meghan or not to her father or not to both.
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Old 06-24-2018, 03:13 PM
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We most likely will never know exactly how close Meghan is with her father and vice versa. It has always been kind of a tricky thing to begin with ever since Meghan was six and her parents divorced. Meghan grew up with living at mom's house or staying at dad's house with dad's family or going to dad's work and never really experienced her parents living together and being parents and family under one roof. Although, there are occasions where we've heard of Tom and Doria getting along pleasantly for meals and vacations with Meghan.

I'm sure that Meghan loves her father and her father loves her but its not the same as we know Meghan's relationship with her mother is like. Perhaps its the family dynamics that Meghan grew up with that attributed to her becoming such a self sufficient and independent woman able to stand on her own two feet in the world. Perhaps Meghan has always longed for the big family life with siblings and aunts and uncles and cousins by the dozens that actually acted as a united family. She surely got that with holidays with Harry's family. Harry was right on the money stating she got "the family she's never had".

I sincerely hope that at least Tom Sr. has been aware of just how his latest "image" fixing has circulated around the world in the press and none of it looks good for him at all. Its made a bad situation worse. Regardless of what Tom's relationship with his daughter was before, he would have to be living under a rock with blinders on not to see the damage he's caused. When a person does something that hurts and disappoints someone they love, forgiveness is not the answer and things will be all better with no consequences. It just doesn't work that way in real life.
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Old 06-24-2018, 03:38 PM
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I fear he's very much aware of his image and the international press coverage.
Milking the cow for what it's worth IMO. Whether for money, or publicity or from a (in his eyes) justified reason to get even is open for debate.

Well, at least Meghan's family are making a spectacle of themselves in USA instead of running around in the UK on a day to day basis, blabbing away, so that may be a comfort.
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Old 06-24-2018, 03:40 PM
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well of course he did. He's clearly not that close to Meghan and he either likes the attention or the money from doing an interview...…….In his defence I don't think that M is all that close to him. She never seems to have visited him during her engagement to say hello and see how he is and introduce her fiancé...
Exactly He doesn't care anymore, it's obvious to me. He hasn't had a real relationship with his daughter in years and there's no chance he's going to have one in the future for a number of reasons (logistics, health, etc). He knows this.

Whether it's the cash or the attention or both, he is going to make himself available to the media for the rest of his life or until they lose interest (which the fact that people are still discussing and analyzing the interview days later means there is general interest and therefor ad revenue $$$). He's crying all the way to the bank folks and the circus will continue for the foreseeable future.
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Old 06-24-2018, 03:44 PM
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Instead of running around in the UK on a day to day basis, blabbing away,
No Brit that I know is remotely interested or EVEN aware of the antics of this disreputable man, although I daresay the Daily Mail readership will 'lap it up'..
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Old 06-24-2018, 03:51 PM
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From his own mouth, he revealed to TMZ, that he's well off, and has no need to ask for money. My point was, though, that Mr Markle himself said, that Meghan and Harry wanted to visit him, and he told them not to. So the 'why hasn't Meghan visited him, why hasn't Harry seen him yet' at least partly is explained by Mr Markle refusing their visits.
When was this interview? It has to be recent because he only started talking to the press in the last few months. What's the excuse for Meghan not bringing her father and Harry together in the almost 2 years before the TMZ interview where he allegedly said that he told them to stay away? She had months and months of time to see her father before this all went totally off the rails, she/they didn't do that.
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Old 06-24-2018, 04:06 PM
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When was this interview? It has to be recent because he only started talking to the press in the last few months. What's the excuse for Meghan not bringing her father and Harry together in the almost 2 years before the TMZ interview where he allegedly said that he told them to stay away? She had months and months of time to see her father before this all went totally off the rails, she/they didn't do that.
She doesn't need an excuse, or explain to anyone. It is, and should be a private relationship, and she shouldn't have to have any excuse for anyone.

Having said that, we are not privy to their relationship dynamics, and all relationships are always a two way street. Perhaps Meghan tried to arrange a meeting between Harry and Mr Markle, and the latter bailed out. Perhaps Meghan and her dad weren't on good terms. Perhaps her dad didn't want to meet Harry. We don't know, but to lay the blame solely on Harry and Meghan seems just naive, as there is the need for Mr Markle to contribute to the relationship, in a positive way, too.
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Old 06-24-2018, 04:23 PM
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She doesn't need an excuse, or explain to anyone. It is, and should be a private relationship, and she shouldn't have to have any excuse for anyone.

Having said that, we are not privy to their relationship dynamics, and all relationships are always a two way street. Perhaps Meghan tried to arrange a meeting between Harry and Mr Markle, and the latter bailed out. Perhaps Meghan and her dad weren't on good terms. Perhaps her dad didn't want to meet Harry. We don't know, but to lay the blame solely on Harry and Meghan seems just naive, as there is the need for Mr Markle to contribute to the relationship, in a positive way, too.

Mr Markle didn't ask for the media intrusion, Meghan and Harry took it on willingly but he had no choice. It was their obligation to make him feel secure, protected and included in this situation.
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Old 06-24-2018, 04:29 PM
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Mr Markle didn't ask for the media intrusion, Meghan and Harry took it on willingly but he had no choice. It was their obligation to make him feel secure, protected and included in this situation.
And they've done that based on many reports, some straight from Samantha's and Mr Markel's mouth. He refused any help. He refused any advice. He wanted to do things his way, and as an adult man, he has to face the consequences of his own actions.

Whereas Doria took on all the help, advice and support given to her, and boy, hasn't she cone out looking like a star in this situation?!
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Old 06-24-2018, 04:36 PM
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And they've done that based on many reports, some straight from Samantha's and Mr Markel's mouth. He refused any help. He refused any advice. He wanted to do things his way, and as an adult man, he has to face the consequences of his own actions.
No, I don't accept that as fact. Her family has been told not to talk to the media, but what have H&M done to help her father adjust to this situation? Precious little it seems to me, and that seems unwise, especially with hindsight.
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