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Old 08-19-2018, 04:57 PM
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“The newlyweds, who are said to be waiting for the 74 year old to approach them in a 'respectful manner', will not try to 'set the record straight', reports the Sunday Times.”

“The only reason Meghan hasn't spoken to her father yet is because she's yet to hear from him in a respectful manner,' a source told DailyMail.com earlier this week”

Prince Harry and Meghan 'are not going to engage' in war of words with her father | Daily Mail Online

So this suggests that once he calms down, they will probably meet with him, or at least make contact.

Provided the story is true.
It is not true. It is from the Daily Mail, a source Wikipedia no longer accepts as a valid source.
It is evident that the actions of the Sussexes is to not engage with the Markles as it is clear that he Markle Snr is not a trustworthy man who is in cahoots with his older daughter who is a reprobate.
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Old 08-19-2018, 05:59 PM
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The Daily Mirror reports Meghan is off to see her mom. The rumour mill continues.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...miles-13107237
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Old 08-19-2018, 06:11 PM
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The Metro also reported that Meghan is in Toronto without Harry but Carolyn Durand tweeted that is not true hours ago.

These tabloids are quickly becoming a wealthy source of innuendo and fake news. These are 'journalists' not doing their jobs properly.

I will certainly not be sharing anything from them with regards to the Sussexes and the Markles as it is clear they have an agenda.
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Old 08-19-2018, 06:18 PM
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The only article that brings up the issue of verbal abuse, pretty good read:



https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-th...er&via=desktop


“Those who are regularly targeted often need to end all contact with the perpetrator to avoid re-traumatization.” When asked about critics of Meghan Markle’s alleged decision to cut ties with her father, Evans said, “Real parents don’t blackmail their children.”

I hope that Meghan is being advised by either a therapist or counselor. This is not about one side winning and the other losing in the eyes of the media but another person being verbally abused while the media forces the abused to continue being involved in an abusive relationship without having a safety zone. No matter if this is happening to Meghan or a Kardashian or someone who is not famous, this behavior is not ethical.
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Old 08-19-2018, 06:41 PM
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The only article that brings up the issue of verbal abuse, pretty good read:



https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-th...er&via=desktop


“Those who are regularly targeted often need to end all contact with the perpetrator to avoid re-traumatization.” When asked about critics of Meghan Markle’s alleged decision to cut ties with her father, Evans said, “Real parents don’t blackmail their children.”

I hope that Meghan is being advised by either a therapist or counselor. This is not about one side winning and the other losing in the eyes of the media but another person being verbally abused while the media forces the abused to continue being involved in an abusive relationship without having a safety zone. No matter if this is happening to Meghan or a Kardashian or someone who is not famous, this behavior is not ethical.
Fantastic read! As someone who has cut off toxic family members,friends and work colleagues; I find what the Markles are doing to Meghan to be vile and repugnant.
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Old 08-19-2018, 06:41 PM
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And the tabloids are still cooking things up. The are still hoping Meghan meets up with Dad while in town. How do they know her itinerary unless they hacked into Kensington Palace's server?

I read the Daily Beast article and it's a good read. Meghan is not curled up in the fetal position in a corner over this. She has her mom, Harry, her closest friends and the BRF behind her. Meghan will always have critics and she has earned Charles' nickname of Tungsten.
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Old 08-19-2018, 06:49 PM
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It was an excellent read and touched on a lot of points I have really stressed, mainly that if he was NOT her father majority would not be wanting her to associate with him. But because this man shares DNA with her she is suppose to accept his behavior and mend the relationship. It is ridiculous.
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:37 PM
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Do you know what $$ it would cost Tom Markle Sr to sue one of the tabloids for one or two things they’ve written that might not be true? His pockets are not that deep.
Exactly so. Lawyers fees, especially the up-front retainers, usually are pretty steep. One has to be able to have a substantial amount of money tied up in retainer fees, and then not overly blink when the monies start to flow out of the retainer account at blinding speed.
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:23 PM
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The thing is that even if Tom, Sr. had the deep pockets, retained the lawyers and went to court and won, it wouldn't restore his reputation or his credibility at all. Once things are "out there", they're "out there" for good.

Not worth it really in my book.
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:24 PM
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Dad would have other problems with a libel suit. In a US proceeding Dad would have to prove what the tabloid wrote is not true. For example his not going to Meghan's first wedding he will have to produce the pictures proving he attended. The same for the stories about his faking the heart attack and surgery; he would have to produce the hospital records. Corroborating witnesses that are not Sam and Jr are needed. Finally Dad would be subjected to cross examination by the tabloid's attorney. Past interviews are admissible in court. Dad can't keep his story straight in interviews; what's the chances he'll survive testifying in court?
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Old 08-19-2018, 10:08 PM
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Dad would have other problems with a libel suit. In a US proceeding Dad would have to prove what the tabloid wrote is not true. For example his not going to Meghan's first wedding he will have to produce the pictures proving he attended. The same for the stories about his faking the heart attack and surgery; he would have to produce the hospital records. Corroborating witnesses that are not Sam and Jr are needed. Finally Dad would be subjected to cross examination by the tabloid's attorney. Past interviews are admissible in court. Dad can't keep his story straight in interviews; what's the chances he'll survive testifying in court?
^^^ with the video footage or voice recordings of these interviews plus the existence of that other footage that disputes his version of Meghan living with him from a certain age right up until she left for college/uni

That man is a liar.

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That's true of any real investigative journalist and I agree that none of Meghan's e(strange)d family would be able to stand a real journalist separating the wheat from the chaff in what these people spout out of their mouths.

They're playing to the tabloids that thrive on circus sideshows and leave real journalism to the professionals. Tabloid reporters don't check facts such as to when Facebook shares went public but print it anyways. We, here, have seen it debunked just by people that have common sense.

I think its a good idea to keep the caliber of the press that are thriving on these stories presented by the Markles and my grandmother's wise saying comes into play here. Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.
DM letting him hang himself with his own petard and unlike a certain publication
they are not helping him with any clean up beforehand. He claims he wants to correct false information. The paper readily offered him a platform to do so. They quoted him and it’s a mighty stretch for some to suggest the paper made up the Facebook stuff they actually quoted him on. Defenders stretching the spin to absurd levels on Markle’s behalf. Had the publication gone with the usual anonymous source routine (which they usually do) then sure I’d query that myself.

And the availability of the ‘No Win No Fee legal specialists’ would make it even more difficult for a national newspaper to attribute a quote(s) falsely to an identified person. Or without backup recordings.

Furthermore, Markle already has a built up pattern of lies/contradictions/inconsistencies.

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The only article that brings up the issue of verbal abuse, pretty good read:



https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-th...er&via=desktop


“Those who are regularly targeted often need to end all contact with the perpetrator to avoid re-traumatization.” When asked about critics of Meghan Markle’s alleged decision to cut ties with her father, Evans said, “Real parents don’t blackmail their children.”

I hope that Meghan is being advised by either a therapist or counselor. This is not about one side winning and the other losing in the eyes of the media but another person being verbally abused while the media forces the abused to continue being involved in an abusive relationship without having a safety zone. No matter if this is happening to Meghan or a Kardashian or someone who is not famous, this behavior is not ethical.
A challenging read for enablers, no doubt.

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I don't suppose they care, at least the siblings obviously don't. They clearly dislike Meghan very much....
And Thomas Markle justified Samantha’s relentless vile bullying and even blamed Meghan for it
Unsurprising really, birds of a feather...

Thankfully Meghan has her mum Doria, a lady who also endures god-awful attacks from the foul Samantha on twitter
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Old 08-20-2018, 12:48 AM
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We know the Markles are renowned by now for doing what is called "trash talk" against Meghan. Its their modus operandi. The play for attention and creating themselves to be somebody when actually, they're just people living on the same planet as everybody else is.

The big clue here is "trash". How many of us actually, on a daily basis most times, take out our trash? We get rid of it. I've yet to meet anyone that has chased after the trash collection truck demanding their trash back.
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:36 AM
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Chasing the garbage truck!
I can answer that. A few years ago a hubby thought he would do the right thing and have a clean out while his wife was in hospital. He threw out a small garbage bag from her wardrobe thinking it was trash. Instead it was $45,000 worth of her jewelry. Hidden cleverly she thought.
Yep he chased that garbage truck all right. I think he got it back in the nick of time. It was all over our tv news at the time.
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Old 08-20-2018, 05:58 AM
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Meghan's so called Toronto trip has been debunked but the tabloids still run it including the Fail. Doria is going to have paparazzi chasing her until the rest of the month. Megan won't see Dad until he shuts up.
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:39 AM
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I really wish things were done differently leading up to the engagement and even after. I appreciate how Harry’s brother’s in-laws were brought in the royal fold without much fuss. Things were handled pretty badly with Mr. Markle from jump street.
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Old 08-20-2018, 10:51 AM
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How could they have done anything different than what they did do? They offered Tom, Sr. the exact same courtesies that were offered to Doria. It was Tom, Sr. that refused the assistance. It was his choice to go his own way about things and made those choices of his own free will.

What were they supposed to do? Bind him in a straight jacket and lock him in the tower until the wedding day? No one could have predicted the man would go off the rails as much as he has.
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Old 08-20-2018, 11:10 AM
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How could they have done anything different than what they did do? They offered Tom, Sr. the exact same courtesies that were offered to Doria. It was Tom, Sr. that refused the assistance. It was his choice to go his own way about things and made those choices of his own free will.

What were they supposed to do? Bind him in a straight jacket and lock him in the tower until the wedding day? No one could have predicted the man would go off the rails as much as he has.
I just feel a lot of this mess could’ve been avoided with official invitations to come into the fold much early on. Before the engagement or just right after.

The thing is the fractures involved were very much underestimated by the royal couple, KP PR team, the royal media and royal watchers online.

One can try to ignore and dismiss the situation for right now, but if strong efforts aren’t made to heal some of these fractures, I’m telling you guys that things will get worse. The headlines will become more harsher. I agree with Royal Reporter, Richard Palmer. The fractures will upstage the Sussex milestones that’s coming.

It’s not too late to do whatever possible to put things on the right track and on a much better footing.
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Old 08-20-2018, 11:12 AM
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I really wish things were done differently leading up to the engagement and even after. I appreciate how Harry’s brother’s in-laws were brought in the royal fold without much fuss. Things were handled pretty badly with Mr. Markle from jump street.


Well all along some have stated that things should of been different with Sr.......so please glue me in how a plan to make things different then what was given to Doria? Shouldn't both have been treated as equals or is Sr more important as he is the father and what, fathers know best? I want a plan on specifics on how Sr should be treated? Details and ideas would be great for then we could have facts and maybe the facts that were in place were not good enough for Sr so he chose to do otherwise. How about the real deal in *facts* here.

And since we can not go back and change the *past* what would be appropriate now for this situation? After all it is Meghan's father and her choice on what to do, not ours here. You can lead a horse to water yet you can not make the horse drink the water.....same with Sr....he does what HE wants to do, not what anyone else wants him to do...not even those of us here.
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Old 08-20-2018, 11:17 AM
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I sincerely believe that we don't know the whole picture. Meghan is the person that knows these people the best. Meghan and Harry did what they deemed appropriate at the time. No one could have predicted how severely the Markles would go off the rails with the press. Meghan most definitely was blindsided by these people.

Actually, I think too that the more this does continue with the e(strange)d family, the more its realized that there is a wide gulf between the Markles and Harry and Meghan and that they're two totally different entities. One bleating, mooing and cackling from the barnyard to the press and the other getting on with their lives and not playing into the rantings.
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Old 08-20-2018, 11:42 AM
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I just feel a lot of this mess could’ve been avoided with official invitations to come into the fold much early on. Before the engagement or just right after.

The thing is the fractures involved were very much underestimated by the royal couple, KP PR team, the royal media and royal watchers online.

One can try to ignore and dismiss the situation for right now, but if strong efforts aren’t made to heal some of these fractures, I’m telling you guys that things will get worse. The headlines will become more harsher. I agree with Royal Reporter, Richard Palmer. The fractures will upstage the Sussex milestones that’s coming.

It’s not too late to do whatever possible to put things on the right track and on a much better footing.
Two things:

1. In what way is he supposed to be brought in sooner? He knew the relationship before any of us did, and he did know about the engagement with the statement on behalf of her parents all ready. Advice and support were offered. What else are they supposed to do? By Tom's own account, Harry explained very clearly why talking to the press is a bad idea.

2. How do you propose to mend things at this point? Whatever Meghan chooses to do, I'll respect. However, I can't see communication between them start back up privately unless Tom stops talking publicly. Tom Markle is a ticking time bomb even if he goes silent. It's almost like he lacks self control. How many times have we heard him say this is his last interview, and a few days later he's talking again?

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I sincerely believe that we don't know the whole picture. Meghan is the person that knows these people the best. Meghan and Harry did what they deemed appropriate at the time. No one could have predicted how severely the Markles would go off the rails with the press. Meghan most definitely was blindsided by these people.
I don't know if she was surprised by the Markles, but I think she definitely was blindsided by her father. The week of her wedding no less.
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