The Duchess of Sussex: Family and Background - Page 101

Dalriada · #**2001** 08-13-2018, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by M. Payton

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Your dislike of the royal family is showing loud and clear here, so please tell us where the you got the info that Doria was coming to London and to whom she would be visiting? We here deal in *facts*, not gossip. None of us can chose what family we are born into and so it is easy to accept your own family or not......

Not true at all! This is a family that keeps on giving, reportedly:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/m...-a3909531.html

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O-H Anglophile · #**2002** 08-13-2018, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dalriada

Not true at all! This is a family that keeps on giving, reportedly:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/m...-a3909531.html

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It is a made up story based on a very little--we mostly agreed several pages back that it was unlikely to happen any time in the near future.

M. Payton · #**2003** 08-13-2018, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dalriada

Not true at all! This is a family that keeps on giving, reportedly:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/m...-a3909531.html

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As I said earlier, I deal in FACTS, not GOSSIP, so if you want to believe the tabloids then fine....until KP or BP say otherwise then it is NOT A DONE DEAL. I do not do TABLOIDS as I know just what they are about.......anything to make a dollar is their goal and that front page did that to everyone that read it....clickbait just opening it up is a sign of dollars coming in to their bank accounts.......I do not waste money on tabloids............

Rena M. · #**2004** 08-13-2018, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Osipi

If he didn't do it *their* way then when all was peachy, he sure is not going to start now no matter what is offered. He would actually, I believe, see it as a grand affront and run to the media claiming how they're trying to bribe him, shut him up, stow him away somewhere "safe" to prevent him from speaking his mind about just how awful Meghan and her "new" family is treating him.

This is the type of person Tom, Sr. has proven himself to be and this leopard isn't about to change his spots anytime soon.

Osipi, thank you for your warm welcome

At this point in time I agree (heated up situation), but something has to be done in the near future. Question is what. What do you propose? Ignoring then is not working because people keep clicking and reading. She is now a sitting duck for bullies around the world. It's painful to watch, especially knowing that some mud will stick.

Chloep · #**2005** 08-13-2018, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dalriada

Not true at all! This is a family that keeps on giving, reportedly:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/m...-a3909531.html

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Yes, wonder whether it's from the same source who swore up and down that Doria quit her job before the wedding and the tabloid ran exclusive stories on that right before the big day....

Yet, she was back to her place of work only a handful of days later and has been photographed coming and going several times since. What the rumour did though, was blowing the dog whistle of the Fail, Mirror and Express insinuating that Doria quit her job and will be living off British taxpayers' money....

Same old. Same old. Critical thinking is still very much needed when it comes to the British trash tabloid world.

Tarlita · #**2006** 08-13-2018, 05:22 PM

It is the British royal families M.O. when dealing with distasteful scandal to stay silent. It has always worked well for them in the past. Except for Charles and Diana.

Sam going on CBB was probably always a pie in the sky story, however it created a life of its own and took off as fact.

Doria moving to the UK to live is possibly also a Pie in the sky story made up by the press. This probable fictional story has taken a life of its own as well now with our media reporting it as fact.

I don't believe it for a second, as the source appears to be from the media.
However, i would love to see Doria spend lots of quality time in the UK as support for Meghan.

Crown Prss Mary's dad is a maths professor and he was given a job at a university in Denmark for awhile as a familial support for Mary after her marriage. I think he then went to the UK teaching for awhile.

So it would be great if Doria were able to be close by for awhile as Meghan learns the ropes.

BTW we must never forget that the British press are unbelievably CRUEL, RUTHLESS, and Untrustworthy.

Never forget this. It was proven in court just how bad Murdoch's News of the World really was.

I have lumped them all together in my first sentence because I do not see a distinction between them. JMO.

jacqui24 · #**2007** 08-13-2018, 05:45 PM

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OK, I think maybe this is a good example of some people being a bit by blinded dislike of this sister of the Duchess. I'm not saying I like her, I don't, nor do I dislike her. I'm completely indifferent, which is probably why I can be objective.
But while it may be distasteful for her to go on that tv show, there is no legal case that the BRF could bring against it. Sam is not a royal, she doesn't owe them anything. She is an American citizen. She can say whatever she wants to say. There is no NDA,there is no connection at all to the BRF. The BRF can't stop her taking a job or doing anything, no matter how distasteful you or they might find it. And you might argue, "Well, but what if she slanders?" To which I ask you, What can she say? No relationship with her sister in many years, no knowledge of Meghan. Whatever she might say would be nothing that any person on the street could say. Even if she went on TV to say, "Meghan is a dirtbag," that's not slander. That's an opinion. You can't sue someone for saying something mean. Unfortunately, the ill behaved Samantha Markle can be as distasteful with her words as she likes. The first amendment, free speech, applies to her as an American citizen. The BRF may be able to muzzle a British subject, a subject of the Crown, and muzzle the press, but that never stops the international press and the international entertainment media from doing as they like.

Two things:

1. While Samantha thinking her half sister is a dirtbag is entirely her opinion, she has ventured into factually false information before. For example, her claim that she raised Meghan and Meghan stopped contacting her because Meghan is embarrassed to have a sister that's in a wheelchair.

2. If she's on British soil, and getting paid to be on a British show, it's not American laws that apply. It's UK laws. And based on what I've heard, defamation laws are much less of a burden on the plaintiff than defendant there compared to US. In US, it's up to the plaintiff to prove defamation, but in UK, it's up to the defendant to prove they didn't. Someone verify if that's true or not.

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Originally Posted by Rena M.

Osipi, thank you for your warm welcome

At this point in time I agree (heated up situation), but something has to be done in the near future. Question is what. What do you propose? Ignoring then is not working because people keep clicking and reading. She is now a sitting duck for bullies around the world. It's painful to watch, especially knowing that some mud will stick.

Keep eyes on the prize and ignore everything else. They are having a field day right now because there is nothing going on in the royal world due to summer break. Once the patronages and tour start, the Markles will fall into irrelevance again. Every time Meghan showed up, her family's shenanigan gets knocked off the headlines.

duchessrachel · #**2008** 08-13-2018, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by alvinking

I am getting tried of this excuse being thrown everyday
First people need to go read the constitution and understand what it means

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

The key word is Congress ie the government. Theoretically any private entity can put limitations on speech as long as it is not a governmental entity or publicly funded in any way. Freedom of speech is not a license to say whatever one wants.

This is legal studies 101, my 2 cents

This exactly!!

MaiaMia_53 · #**2009** 08-13-2018, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Royaldancer

I find it interesting that the people most hateful to her , are her family members. The only relative to go to her wedding was her mom. She has no family members in a new country. I find that sad. Her Mom arrive 3 days before her wedding and left immediately after. I am really curious to know why no other family members beside her mom was at the wedding. It’s even more disturbing to have a father talk about his daughter this way.

I've heard that possibly Meghan's 35-year-old uncle, Alvin Joffrey Ragland, and his wife were there, as well as Ashleigh Hale (Samantha's biological daughter) who was fortunately raised by her paternal grandparents. I can understand why any discreet family members aside from Doria, who were invited, would wish to remain anonymous to preserve their privacy, and to avoid blather from the uninvited Markles.

Any of Meghan's discreet family who were invited likely sat in the nave. Or perhaps they only attended the private receptions, where the media could not intrude (and most of the other guests would not know their identity, or if they did, they'd also know to reveal nothing about the presence of other Meghan family members).

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Originally Posted by Osipi

It looks like its a "set the story straight" interview with the Fail asked to make a donation to a charity of Harry and Meghan's choice in lieu of payment for the interview.

The latest? He's moving away somewhere where no one will ever find him again. Can we hope that he takes Samantha with him?

All I see is the rumor that he was being quiet to reconnect with Meghan being shot down and the door slammed. He's not a happy person and no amount of cheese will go with his whine.

THOMAS MARKLE: Meghan's father hits back at 'bull***t' written about him in revealing interview | Daily Mail Online

Wow, what a sad blowhard Mr. Markle Snr is. It's a huge mess, but I don't feel sorry for him. Why can't he understand how despicable and irreparable his ongoing blather is!?

There are so many rumors and gossip. I think that goes to show how avid and relentless the tabloids are. I do not keep up with much of this whining by the Markles, as not all of it is being picked up by many mainstream media outlets in the U.S.

I think everyone needs to take a step back and allow the Duke and Duchess of Sussex a chance to settle in and enjoy their new life as a married couple. They've barely had a chance to breathe. There's been constant bombardment by the tabloids, paps, tumblr sites, forums, book writers, et al, as well as unfortunately by the sad Markle bunch. Enough is enough already. It appears to me that everyone has an opinion, and wants a piece of Meghan and Harry, especially of Meghan.

It's possible to critique the royals in a constructive way, instead of a divisive and vindictive way like the paps and other media instigators seem intent on doing. Meghan and Harry being passionate about making a difference in the world is definitely something to applaud. They've already made a huge difference individually. The Markles really need to go away. I don't care about Markle Snr by this point. I believe that if it's true he lied to Prince Harry, that it was all over for him then. The royals did not want him anywhere near Windsor and the royal wedding at that point. They would have realized he absolutely can not be trusted. He would have been spilling the beans about everything that went on behind-the-scenes if he'd been allowed to attend. William and Harry are understandably sticklers about their privacy and the protection of their family members. They will not brook any repeats of what happened to their mother.

Surely Markle Snr did have a heart problem. But it's entirely possible the heart surgery was not required to take place when it did, even though he was likely told by his doctors he needed to have the surgery. Scheduling it during the week of the wedding provided a cover excuse for everyone. That's the only scenario that makes sense for Markle Snr to now be acting out saying he wanted to be at the wedding, and demanding that they speak to him, all the while slamming Harry and Meghan. And also, the reports that Markle Snr demanding that the older siblings get an invite (if true) would also have been a factor in him ultimately not attending. I think Samantha is to blame for Markle Snr getting involved with the tabs and paps initially, but his pride, vanity and errors in judgment have also contributed to his egregious downfall.

duchessrachel · #**2010** 08-13-2018, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarlita

It is the British royal families M.O. when dealing with distasteful scandal to stay silent. It has always worked well for them in the past. Except for Charles and Diana.

Sam going on CBB was probably always a pie in the sky story, however it created a life of its own and took off as fact.

Doria moving to the UK to live is possibly also a Pie in the sky story made up by the press. This probable fictional story has taken a life of its own as well now with our media reporting it as fact.

I don't believe it for a second, as the source appears to be from the media.
However, i would love to see Doria spend lots of quality time in the UK as support for Meghan.

Crown Prss Mary's dad is a maths professor and he was given a job at a university in Denmark for awhile as a familial support for Mary after her marriage. I think he then went to the UK teaching for awhile.

So it would be great if Doria were able to be close by for awhile as Meghan learns the ropes.

Speaking of Charles and Diana, this Markle situation isn't even a blip on the radar screen compared to the War of the Wales. The BRF has certainly dealt with a lot worse. I like to imagine the Queen looking at Meghan and saying, "My dear, don't give any more thoughts about your father slamming your new family. That's nothing compared to what a happened about 25 years ago."

Fros · #**2011** 08-13-2018, 06:18 PM

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/700841...-prince-harry/

Tom Markle gave another interview saying he is willing to bury the hatchet if Harry and Meghan take some of the blame

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Harry is said to have scolded him for collaborating with the paparazzi and said: “This is what happens when you don’t listen to what we tell you to do.”

Thomas told a friend: “If Harry is offended by what I said to him, well, I’m more offended by what he said to me."

He added: “I want to say good luck and God bless to my daughter. I don’t expect to see her or hear back from her and that’s OK.

“I just want to have a father/daughter relationship. If that means Christmas cards, birthday cards and getting together for the holidays . . . that is what I want.

"The other thing is, and this will sound a bit greedy, but I took care of my mom the last five years of her life

Chloep · #**2012** 08-13-2018, 06:23 PM

The entitlement..... He was offered guidance and support. Did the exact opposite and now HE is hurt by the fact that he was told that he is in this position because of his own actions?

I have long not met such an incredibly narcissistic and self centred father. How does he sleep at night? Can he not feel an ounce of guilt for the wilful pain he has repeatedly and KNOWINGLY caused his own daughter? Disgusting.

AlowVera · #**2013** 08-13-2018, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fros

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/700841...-prince-harry/

Tom Markle gave another interview saying he is willing to bury the hatchet if Harry and Meghan take some of the blame

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Harry is said to have scolded him for collaborating with the paparazzi and said: “This is what happens when you don’t listen to what we tell you to do.”

Thomas told a friend: “If Harry is offended by what I said to him, well, I’m more offended by what he said to me."

He added: “I want to say good luck and God bless to my daughter. I don’t expect to see her or hear back from her and that’s OK.

“I just want to have a father/daughter relationship. If that means Christmas cards, birthday cards and getting together for the holidays . . . that is what I want.

"The other thing is, and this will sound a bit greedy, but I took care of my mom the last five years of her life

Ugh the triggers the triggers! He is a classic case! But keep on talking because it lowers the value of what he keeps saying over and over and over again.

Kataryn · #**2014** 08-13-2018, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by duchessrachel

Speaking of Charles and Diana, this Markle situation isn't even a blip on the radar screen compared to the War of the Wales. The BRF has certainly dealt with a lot worse. I like to imagine the Queen looking at Meghan and saying, "My dear, don't give any more thoughts about your father slamming your new family. That's nothing compared to what a happened about 25 years ago."

I just remember the "Annus Horribilis" and shudder... At least the Markles did not try to burn down Windsor Castle before the wedding...

But my, did Andrew look hero-like that night the castle burned in 1992 and was wearing such a becoming red sweater.

DeeT · #**2015** 08-13-2018, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fros

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/700841...-prince-harry/

Tom Markle gave another interview saying he is willing to bury the hatchet if Harry and Meghan take some of the blame

Excerpts
Harry is said to have scolded him for collaborating with the paparazzi and said: “This is what happens when you don’t listen to what we tell you to do.”

Thomas told a friend: “If Harry is offended by what I said to him, well, I’m more offended by what he said to me."

He added: “I want to say good luck and God bless to my daughter. I don’t expect to see her or hear back from her and that’s OK.

“I just want to have a father/daughter relationship. If that means Christmas cards, birthday cards and getting together for the holidays . . . that is what I want.

"The other thing is, and this will sound a bit greedy, but I took care of my mom the last five years of her life

I thought someone said he was going away & gave his last, last, last... interview. If his last statement is true, then why doesn’t he drive up to see his son & ask him to take care of him? He’s much closer than going to UK, no need to put a strain on his health. His namesake, Jr can give him undivided attention since he doesn’t speak to his 2 sons either.

If he thinks Meghan is so mean & has an attitude like her mother, why does he even want a card from her? You’d think a card from Samantha would be good enough.

Tarlita · #**2016** 08-13-2018, 06:59 PM

Yes i agree with you both. The BRF have weathered many more important storms than this.

Not only will Mr Markle end up a footnote in history, he may end up as a case study no 1 for students learning about mental health and family dynamics.

jacqui24 · #**2017** 08-13-2018, 07:13 PM

I feel like Oops I Did It Again must be on constant replay at Tom’s house at this point.

Anyways, I’m not sure what he wants Harry and Meghan to take the blame for. They gave him good advice on how to deal with the press, and he decided he would do the complete opposite.

Madame Verseau · #**2018** 08-13-2018, 07:21 PM

Dad wants the olive branch because he knows he still losing in the court of public opinion despite the latest interview. The Daily Mail doesn't speak for the world. He still thinks manipulating Meghan and Harry will take the onus off him. Nope.

You know things are bad when the Markles media defenders are getting dragged. Piers went on Twitter to bully Meghan to see Dad and people clapped back

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mir...s-13076099.amp

Piers thinks he's a top tier journalist but being a Markle apologist has made him a joke.

rominet09 · #**2019** 08-13-2018, 07:29 PM

So releived by the announcement of the CBB people ! Not the S... I won't honour her by saying her full name !

Curryong · #**2020** 08-13-2018, 08:15 PM

Tom's latest whine that he expects Meghan to help him in his declining years is just beneath contempt. What happened to the 'I have two properties and a good pension' line that he was flogging only a little while ago? I suppose the bills for his medical expenses have come in and he's hoping the daughter he's dragged through the mud will pony up for them!

I think that Samantha at least is becoming more enraged because she feels that the Court of public opinion is receding away from her and her father at a rate of knotts. I hardly ever read DM comments but have over the last couple of weeks. Samantha was never particularly popular but there was a certain amount of sympathy for Tom. Not so, lately. I think it would be best for them both if they just quit it now and give everyone a nice rest.