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Old 09-03-2019, 02:55 PM
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HRH The Duke of Sussex in Amsterdam today.



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Old 09-03-2019, 03:12 PM
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Harry flies private jet to keep his famild save, responding to 4 flights in 11 days while launching new initiative.
So again this do as I say issue comes back at him. Why comment at all?
Of course critics will have a field day, does William not want to keep his family save by flying commercial airline? And we are talking holiday, not business!
Is there someone out there to save these people from themselves ?
I guess the "never complain never explain" is now dead...
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Old 09-03-2019, 03:15 PM
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lp-planet.html
Harry flies private jet to keep his famild save, responding to 4 flights in 11 days while launching new initiative.
So again this do as I say issue comes back at him. Why comment at all?
Of course critics will have a field day, does William not want to keep his family save by flying commercial airline? And we are talking holiday, not business!
He was asked directly about it.He was damned either way. If he didn't say anything, that would also be commented on. So its hardly them going out of their way to "explain"

And his actual quote was in particular circumstances, including sometimes for safety reasons, he sometimes flies private. Again, same as William.

Even though Harry isn't the heir, his threat level has always been high and often times the highest in the family. Given the threats that have been made public against him and against Meghan, I can only imagine what threats we do not know about. They have had to shut down comments several times on sussexroyal because of death threats against Meghan.

It is possible that at least presently, the Sussex family is facing more threats than even William and family--and it wouldn't be the first time Harry has more security than William anyway. And maybe the decision is that flying private is best as a result. I am sure these things are fluid and change a great deal as a result.

Doesn't mean the optics are not bad. And perhaps, knowing this launch was in the offing, they should have simply vacationed in the UK. The most sensible thing in retrospect tbh.

All that said, I am very interested to see how this initiative does! It is a big undertaking. And at least one thing good, i guess, about the never ending Planegate () is that this initiative is getting massively covered in major news outlets.
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Old 09-03-2019, 04:25 PM
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I'm so pleased to see that Harry is launching this initiative and that it's getting plenty of publicity. Enjoyed seeing and listening to his speech too.

Of course it isn't one size fits all as far as threats to the Royal Family are concerned. I can remember Harry having six RPOs in attendance at the one time wherever he went, in his post Afghanistan service era. And I'm sure that service isn't forgotten by certain groups unfortunately.

Equally unfortunately there are horrendous threats uttered against both Harry and Meghan all over social media sites. I would imagine that Scotland Yard would take some of these extremely seriously and react appropriately. The public are unlikely to know anything of those risks.
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:11 PM
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Harry flies private jet to keep his famild save, responding to 4 flights in 11 days while launching new initiative.
So again this do as I say issue comes back at him. Why comment at all?
Of course critics will have a field day, does William not want to keep his family save by flying commercial airline? And we are talking holiday, not business!
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:22 PM
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Whether what he said was right or not I wish we would go back to the "never complain, never explain" attitude of the past.

There's so much disquiet in the country atm that keeping silent and trying to just get on with things would be best IMO. I'm not saying nag him or he can't talk (and I get he was asked so how he could have avoided it I don't know) but that it would have been better if somehow he hadn't said anything.
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:33 PM
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Having Prince Harry promoting these companies sounds like a great deal for them, but I am much less clear what the actual direct benefit to the environment is. These are for-profit companies, correct?

Harry's statement regarding the private jet usage just prolonged the controversy.
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:43 PM
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Whether what he said was right or not I wish we would go back to the "never complain, never explain" attitude of the past.

There's so much disquiet in the country atm that keeping silent and trying to just get on with things would be best IMO. I'm not saying nag him or he can't talk (and I get he was asked so how he could have avoided it I don't know) but that it would have been better if somehow he hadn't said anything.
The “never complain, never explain” worked back in The Queen’s day. Deference was held high by many in those days. In 2019, things are different and that quote won’t fly like it used to.

I would say — “he faced the music with courage and simply got on with things.”

It’s a great initiative and I look forward to seeing it’s progress.
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Old 09-03-2019, 07:01 PM
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Harry's statement prolonged the controversy? I can just imagine the reaction if Harry had flicked the question off, sat silent, or said 'I don't want to answer that!' The uproar would have been immense. 'Never complain, never explain' doesn't work under those circumstances.
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Old 09-03-2019, 07:16 PM
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Harry's statement prolonged the controversy? I can just imagine the reaction if Harry had flicked the question off, sat silent, or said 'I don't want to answer that!' The uproar would have been immense. 'Never complain, never explain' doesn't work under those circumstances.
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Old 09-03-2019, 07:26 PM
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I am interested in how this initiative works. It sounds like it could be a niche travel scheme and having read that many tourist sites are becoming more circumscribed, less available to the general public because there is no cohesive policy to protect the sites.

It seems to me that when Harry is on his own, he flys commercial as he just needs three or four seats. Flying with the family multiplies that number, so it seems quite sensible to me. IMO, those continually carping do not seem to care if Harry has changed, grown, matured, learned from his mistakes and from the accumulation of his life experience.

Then again, I am interested in what he has to say so I can understand the nuts and bolts of this new initiative and not merely taking every opportunity to denigrate Harry's very existence.
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Old 09-03-2019, 07:56 PM
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I am interested in how this initiative works. It sounds like it could be a niche travel scheme and having read that many tourist sites are becoming more circumscribed, less available to the general public because there is no cohesive policy to protect the sites.

It seems to me that when Harry is on his own, he flys commercial as he just needs three or four seats. Flying with the family multiplies that number, so it seems quite sensible to me. IMO, those continually carping do not seem to care if Harry has changed, grown, matured, learned from his mistakes and from the accumulation of his life experience.

Then again, I am interested in what he has to say so I can understand the nuts and bolts of this new initiative and not merely taking every opportunity to denigrate Harry's very existence.
Who is denigrating Harry's existence?
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Old 09-03-2019, 10:08 PM
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Having Prince Harry promoting these companies sounds like a great deal for them, but I am much less clear what the actual direct benefit to the environment is. These are for-profit companies, correct?

Harry's statement regarding the private jet usage just prolonged the controversy.
Because royals only ever work with non profits???

The point of the initiative is that tourism is causing long lasting negative effects on the environment. And if something is not done to curtail those issues, the environment will not be sustainable. You arent going to make any waves in stopping this by working Against the tourism industry. Instead you work with them. Tourism is not the issue, its the kind of tourism that we are seeing now.

The intention of the initiative is to promote eco-friendly tourism. Allowing people to enjoy the amazing eco systems, but while sustaining them for the future generations to come. And involving the local communities, which also helps stimulate the economy in those areas as well. A charity is not going to run and finance tourism activities, they clearly are going to work with companies like the ones Harry has been paired with.

And for all the people whining once again about 'how he can fly private and still talk about the environment' this initiative is not about Carbon foot print and flying. Well not totally. When it comes to tourism, that is only a tiny portion of the ecological impact that tourists have on the eco system. But of course people can only look past the current 'scandal'.

Teaming with booking.com and other tour companies will help to promote eco friendly tours. Their websites can be used to educate tourists and get them to choose more earth conscious travel destinations.

And if companies are being encouraged to sink some of their profits into helping the local environment all the better.
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Old 09-03-2019, 10:33 PM
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I'm aware that tourism has become a problem in some locations and has placed an undue burden on the environment. I'm less clear how partnering with companies that make money off lots and lots of people using their travel services is a benefit for the environment. That remains to be seen. I'm also interested in how royals promoting those for-profit services will play out in the long run, because I can see the potential downside.
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Old 09-04-2019, 04:26 AM
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Whether what he said was right or not I wish we would go back to the "never complain, never explain" attitude of the past.

There's so much disquiet in the country atm that keeping silent and trying to just get on with things would be best IMO. I'm not saying nag him or he can't talk (and I get he was asked so how he could have avoided it I don't know) but that it would have been better if somehow he hadn't said anything.
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Harry's statement regarding the private jet usage just prolonged the controversy.
I have to agree with you both. I think the explanation was inadequate at best, and only helped prolong the story.

The naivety with which Harry appears to be approaching his role recently would almost think he was new to this world. My fear is that even though H&M are not "main line" royals, some of their actions (inadvertent or otherwise) are creating negativity towards them in the public domain and can stick to the broader "Firm". Perhaps the time is coming for Charles to get involved and help guide them a little more than he may have previously.
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Old 09-04-2019, 06:09 AM
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I have to agree with you both. I think the explanation was inadequate at best, and only helped prolong the story.

The naivety with which Harry appears to be approaching his role recently would almost think he was new to this world. My fear is that even though H&M are not "main line" royals, some of their actions (inadvertent or otherwise) are creating negativity towards them in the public domain and can stick to the broader "Firm". Perhaps the time is coming for Charles to get involved and help guide them a little more than he may have previously.
The thing is....H&M aren’t the problem. That’s the problem. All they can do is stay focused on their duties for their charities and patronage’s.
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Old 09-04-2019, 07:28 AM
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I have to agree with you both. I think the explanation was inadequate at best, and only helped prolong the story.

The naivety with which Harry appears to be approaching his role recently would almost think he was new to this world. My fear is that even though H&M are not "main line" royals, some of their actions (inadvertent or otherwise) are creating negativity towards them in the public domain and can stick to the broader "Firm". Perhaps the time is coming for Charles to get involved and help guide them a little more than he may have previously.
And Charles would advice them to follow his example, right? Which would be to talk A LOT about protecting the environment, I mean for decades, and STILL flying on private jets, when need be. Didn't the recent report on royal spending say that Charles flew on planes, private planes, most out of all the royals.

Imho it's weird to suggest that Sussexes are creating negativity toward the firm, when Andrew's visits were cancelled by the charities and hosts due to the actual controversy hes bringing to the firm.
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Old 09-04-2019, 07:36 AM
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2nd September, 2019

The Duke of Sussex this morning departed from Heathrow Airport, London, for the Netherlands and was received upon arrival this afternoon at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol by Mr. Timothy Decamp (Deputy Head of Mission, British Embassy in Amsterdam).

3rd September, 2019

The Duke of Sussex this morning attended the launch of the sustainable tourism initiative Travalyst at A'Dam Tower, Amsterdam.

His Royal Highness this evening arrived at Heathrow Airport, London, from the Netherlands.
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Old 09-04-2019, 07:36 AM
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Re: Harry was asked so he answered, the questions any royal will ask and answer at an event like this will be agreed on well in advance. I am not one who had any issue with "private jet gate," but it's not as if he had this question thrown at him from the audience and gave his best answer. It will have been planned to address and answer it at this venue. His response is best analyzed in light of being a strategic decision rather than a "he had to answer" spur-of-the-moment decision.
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Old 09-04-2019, 08:50 AM
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And Charles would advice them to follow his example, right? Which would be to talk A LOT about protecting the environment, I mean for decades, and STILL flying on private jets, when need be. Didn't the recent report on royal spending say that Charles flew on planes, private planes, most out of all the royals.
After the events of Sep 11, Prince Charles was advised by the Home Office to not fly on commercial jets, and has since pretty much only flown on private planes.
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