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Though that doesn't apply to dinner at Clarence House.
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Dear BeatrixFan, you have such a determination to see the illness of every circumstance. You're wish to see illness must be the cause of attracting it into your every sight and experience. 
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03-01-2008, 12:30 PM
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Article about him coming home; but of course there's always someone to criticize Harry:
Princes greet Harry from Afghanistan - CNN.com
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While the deployment has transformed the image of Harry, previously dubbed the "playboy prince" by many newspapers, veteran PR expert Max Clifford on Saturday criticized what he regards as an ill-conceived publicity stunt.
"It just comes across, the whole thing, as a very, very calculated public relations exercise," designed to rehabilitate Harry's image as a partying posh boy, he told Channel 4 News.
He said Harry was never put "in real danger," and said the public was more clear-sighted about the manipulation than the media had been.
Clifford added: "The other aspect of it is he's been shown firing a machine gun at Muslims. What does that say? He becomes a big target. Harry likes to go to clubs and pubs -- does that make them targets?"
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No wonder Harry didn't want to come back to England; even when he does his best he can't catch a break.
I've read about another man an England saying something similar to this on a news program. I truly hope this isn't what many people are thinking.
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03-01-2008, 12:33 PM
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^^I think there's a lot mixed feelings from journalists about the media blackout and they are acting out about it.
It definitely didn't go down the way the palace had hoped I'm sure...the NY Times has a great article about the whole thing today and how it was handled...
Prince Harry and the Secret Kept by Fleet Street - New York Times
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03-01-2008, 01:03 PM
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Dear BeatrixFan, you have such a determination to see the illness of every circumstance. You're wish to see illness must be the cause of attracting it into your every sight and experience. |
It was a throw away joke darling, not a Freudian expose into my inner soul. 
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03-01-2008, 01:11 PM
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Article about him coming home; but of course there's always someone to criticize Harry:
Princes greet Harry from Afghanistan - CNN.com
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While the deployment has transformed the image of Harry, previously dubbed the "playboy prince" by many newspapers, veteran PR expert Max Clifford on Saturday criticized what he regards as an ill-conceived publicity stunt.
"It just comes across, the whole thing, as a very, very calculated public relations exercise," designed to rehabilitate Harry's image as a partying posh boy, he told Channel 4 News.
He said Harry was never put "in real danger," and said the public was more clear-sighted about the manipulation than the media had been.
Clifford added: "The other aspect of it is he's been shown firing a machine gun at Muslims. What does that say? He becomes a big target. Harry likes to go to clubs and pubs -- does that make them targets?"
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No wonder Harry didn't want to come back to England; even when he does his best he can't catch a break.
I've read about another man an England saying something similar to this on a news program. I truly hope this isn't what many people are thinking. |
No actually, I think that the BRF sought to do with the press here what they have done with the press before so that the press would leave them alone.
They do it at the ski slopes all the time. Invite the press in for an interview and a photo shoot and then ask the press to leave them alone.
I think its more plausible that they figured they would have better luck with a media blackout if they involved the media and gave them something to report.
And the sad fact is that they probably did have better success with a media blackout here than they would have if they hadn't enlisted the media's participation. But if this is what success looks like, I don't want to even think of what failure would have entailed.
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03-01-2008, 01:52 PM
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I disagree with criticisms of Prince Harry of his military service being some "stunt" to repair his image! Even as a child he played "war games". It is his life's passion.
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03-01-2008, 01:57 PM
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So does Harry get a break now from the army? The rest of his group is still in Afghanistan so would he join another regimen or what? I'm very confused as to what he'll be doing now.
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03-01-2008, 01:59 PM
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Though that doesn't apply to dinner at Clarence House.
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It was nice to see the pictures of the family picking Harry up! I know I always like to be there when my son comes home! It means a lot to them as well!
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03-01-2008, 02:38 PM
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Can you imagine the publicity coup, if they get Harry especially on his home turf. For the terrorists, it would be a major recruiting drive.... "Look even your Prince is not safe in his own country".
All service personnel are told to be more vigilant and not to publicise where they have been. There is some concern about the parades some towns are holding, but the reasoning is, that they look different with their clothes on. |
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if he were caught by the taliban, it would certainly put an entirely new twist on the "no negotiation policy" that most of the governments have regarding their citizens being kidnapped. having said that, he's done a wonderful service for his country and freedom of the people of afghanizstan and and the fight against terrorism and he should be proud of himself. well done harry!
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Ya I can imagine. I hope this eventually dies down though
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No one appears to have had his tour cut short, they could just be ordinary turn around troops.
Charles and William will be at Brize to welcome him home and to Harry that will be priceless. |
Ya I wasn't sure if they're from his regiment(is that the right word?) I was just judging from the way Harry was talking to them. You know like they were old chums, but then again Harry could just be really friendly. Having said that though and just checking the pictures of his arrival, the guy he was talking to at the airport also landed with him in the UK
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03-01-2008, 03:20 PM
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Ya I wasn't sure if they're from his regiment(is that the right word?) I was just judging from the way Harry was talking to them. You know like they were old chums, but then again Harry could just be really friendly. Having said that though and just checking the pictures of his arrival, the guy he was talking to at the airport also landed with him in the UK
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Well they had a long flight back together so even if he didn't know them before he had plenty of time to get to know them on the plane! Harry seems pretty social, and I think he's compfortable around fellow soldiers.
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03-01-2008, 04:45 PM
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^Ya exactly that's what I assumed too. if they didn't know each other it wouldn't matter 'cause Harry seems pretty friendly and social so they'd probably end up looking like best friends by the time they arrived.
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03-01-2008, 04:46 PM
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03-01-2008, 05:02 PM
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Yes. Both Prince Charles and Prince William met his plane at the base where he flew in.
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03-01-2008, 05:09 PM
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Was what ever agreement that the media had with the Army and/or CH only with British media of with all international media?
Both father and brother were there to welcome him home.
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03-01-2008, 05:13 PM
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Whereas I think very well of Harry and his service, I don't believe that he's any more a hero than the countless other soldiers serving their countries in war zones.
He's certainly no more a hero than my family were or are, and my people who went and go to war without personal bodyguards!
Let's simply acknowledge that Harry's quitted himself honourably, has reason to feel proud, and desist from all of this hyperbolic nonsense.
Every man or woman in the armed forces are all heroes, to me.
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03-01-2008, 05:23 PM
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Warfare brings out the hyperbolic nonsense in people I'm afraid, Polly.
Btw, I just noticed that the New York Times article that zembia posted above confirmed my suspicions of why the royals agreed for Harry to meet and be interviewed with the press:
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For agreeing to keep quiet, the editors wanted assurances that they would receive access to Prince Harry in Afghanistan; photos of the prince in military fatigues were sure to sell papers.
“We had to actually operate as a group if it was going to work,” said Mr. Satchwell, who also acknowledged that he did not expect the blackout to last more than a few days.
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This is the media cynicism at its best. They force Harry to put on a song and dance act for them so they will keep quiet and they don't even hold up their end of the bargain.
Not only that, the person they're doing business with didn't even think the media would honor the blackout for a few days.
The New York Times is trying to put a good spin on it like look how responsible we are being for holding back this long.
And then this other paper has the gall to claim that Harry is doing this as a publicity stunt to make himself and the Royal Family look good?
I'm not impressed at all.
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03-01-2008, 05:47 PM
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Whereas I think very well of Harry and his service, I don't believe that he's any more a hero than the countless other soldiers serving their countries in war zones.
He's certainly no more a hero than my family were or are, and my people who went and go to war without personal bodyguards!
Let's simply acknowledge that Harry's quitted himself honourably, has reason to feel proud, and desist from all of this hyperbolic nonsense.
Every man or woman in the armed forces are all heroes, to me.
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I agree, and I don't think anybody believes he's more of a hero than any other man or woman in the military. I think people are just impressed that a Prince/someone privledged would sacrifice himself and get down and dirty like the rest of them.
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03-01-2008, 05:55 PM
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Well, I'm proud he has earned the right to wear his military uniform at royal occasions...
You would think they would have made him shave his head..surely that red mop of his attracted attention and set him apart a bit...
He is a surprising young man...He sort of did his "own thing" at his mother's memorial service and now this! I bet there are plenty of more surprises from Cornet Wales in the future.
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03-01-2008, 06:40 PM
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Well, I'm proud he has earned the right to wear his military uniform at royal occasions...
You would think they would have made him shave his head..surely that red mop of his attracted attention and set him apart a bit...
He is a surprising young man...He sort of did his "own thing" at his mother's memorial service and now this! I bet there are plenty of more surprises from Cornet Wales in the future.
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Indeed. Unlike that brother of his...
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