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I started watching Suits because of Meghan and now it's a favorite show- I can't wait until the new episode airs Wednesday.
Apparently Dickie Arbiter is peddling the line (to the Australian media, perhaps because he knows how far he'd get with the British media) that if they were to get married, Meghan couldn't be an HRH or have a title because she's American. He went on to say that if she were fast-tracked for citizenship, that would cause a political issue.
They raised the spectre of Wallis Simpson, but given that George VI had to issue Letters Patent to ensure that she was *not* an HRH, the example rather seems to undermine Dickie's argument.
I don't think we can compare Meghan's situation to Wallis'. It was even debated at the time of the abdication whether or not David (Edward VIII) would remain a HRH and a prince of the UK after the abdication and there has been discussion of this issue elsewhere on TRF.
With Meghan, if she married Harry, she most certainly could be titled at as HRH and a princess of the UK. In the UK. Her titles and styles may not be recognized in the US as an American citizen because American citizenship doesn't allow for titles from foreign countries. This is as I understand it. Its possible though that Meghan could have dual citizenship in both the US and the UK and her UK titles and styles would then be recognized.
I'm sure that the powers that be that really know this stuff will be busy at work making sure that the ins and outs of it all will be made perfectly clear. Its possible too that Meghan will drop her US citizenship and just become a citizen of the UK. All this remains to be seen.
No one is saying that we are not interested in Meghan - we would not be on this forum! However, there are just some sources that have shown that they are unreliable. I think that members of this forum, appreciate having a place to express ourselves, without having to deal with the trash that's present, in all of the other Prince Harry/Meghan outlets. There is enough nastiness out there.
Trevor Engelson to pen book on ex Meghan Markle | Now To Love
If true, and I say if, her ex-husband is no gentleman if he does a tell-all book, supposedly being offered a million $/£.
He has been very quite thus far, so time will tell.
The HRH styling - I believe that is up to the sovereign to confer the designation or take it away. Queen Elizabeth took away HRH from Diana and Fergie when they divorced. I also believe as princess of Monaco the U.S. recognized the HSH for Grace Kelly.
I started watching Suits because of Meghan and now it's a favorite show- I can't wait until the new episode airs Wednesday.
Apparently Dickie Arbiter is peddling the line (to the Australian media, perhaps because he knows how far he'd get with the British media) that if they were to get married, Meghan couldn't be an HRH or have a title because she's American. He went on to say that if she were fast-tracked for citizenship, that would cause a political issue.
They raised the spectre of Wallis Simpson, but given that George VI had to issue Letters Patent to ensure that she was *not* an HRH, the example rather seems to undermine Dickie's argument.
The Queen removed the HRH status from Diana and Sarah upon their divorce and I assume that with the letters patent of August 21, 1996 issued at the time, the same would apply should any of the spouses of British princes divorce.
As far as Grace Kelley and her HSH title, it was reported in the Saturday Evening Post that:
"Marriages into nobility often raise the question of whether Americans can hold foreign titles. Federal laws permit dual citizenship, and even allow American citizens to retain titles from foreign countries. However, such titles have no legal significance; royal privileges in a foreign land only get a nod of diplomatic recognition in this country."
The Royal Role of Grace Kelly | The Saturday Evening Post
I would imagine that what applied to Princess Grace of Monaco would also apply to Meghan should she marry Harry and hold dual citizenship in both the US and the UK.
ETA: On another point where Wallis Simpson, the Duke of Windsor and the HRH title is concerned, after the abdication, George VI issued letters patent that specifically restored the HRH to the Duke of Windsor with provisions.
"27 May 1937 (letters patent dated), confer the style of HRH to the Duke of Windsor and exclude his wife and descendants if any"
The drafting of the letters patent of 1937
I don't think we can compare Meghan's situation to Wallis'. It was even debated at the time of the abdication whether or not David (Edward VIII) would remain a HRH and a prince of the UK after the abdication and there has been discussion of this issue elsewhere on TRF.
With Meghan, if she married Harry, she most certainly could be titled at as HRH and a princess of the UK. In the UK. Her titles and styles may not be recognized in the US as an American citizen because American citizenship doesn't allow for titles from foreign countries. This is as I understand it. Its possible though that Meghan could have dual citizenship in both the US and the UK and her UK titles and styles would then be recognized.
I'm sure that the powers that be that really know this stuff will be busy at work making sure that the ins and outs of it all will be made perfectly clear. Its possible too that Meghan will drop her US citizenship and just become a citizen of the UK. All this remains to be seen.
The class and substance Meghan brings to Harry and the 'royal firm' is worth more than mere titles anyway.
This magazine is not credible. It is similar to the national enquirer. Also one million to write a tell all book about a girl the 5th in line to the throne is just dating seems somewhat excessive.
I find the whole concept of anyone writing a book about Meghan to be somewhat premature. Even the 24 page daily fail special edition was just rehashing the same garbage & old interviews. Not much is known about this couple & it is not certain it will end in marriage, and if it doesn't then any book becomes worthless. I doubt even her crazy half sister has a publisher for her book.
'Substance' perhaps to Harry, but the firm has centuries of class and substance ALREADY...[with or without her].
Usually when I've heard the name Dickie Arbiter, it clicks in my mind as "credible source". He's been around the royal scene for a very long time.
So.... I went back and checked the link. Unfortunately, I couldn't listen to Mr. Arbiter's commentary as it isn't closed captioned but I did notice that the large lettered "tweet" was not ascribed to Dickie but to the Sun. Perhaps somewhere along the lines what Mr. Arbiter stated and what was tweeted got mixed up? I can't believe someone as credible as Dickie Arbiter would make such a foolish mistake to state that Meghan wouldn't get any title. He should know better. Could someone listen and post exactly what he did say?
I seriously don't believe that anyone (and I mean *anyone*) that is close to Harry and would have an inkling of what his plans are, whether he's going to propose or dye his hair purple would break the circle of trust and leak it to the press. As is stated, "rumor has it". Anyone can dream up a rumor, give it arms and legs and wings to fly but that doesn't necessarily mean that its going to happen.
Facts. We have to remember we're interested in facts and not take rumor and speculation and whatever else the press can dream up to keep "interest" in Harry's situation alive as stuff worth repeating. This is the kind of pressure that happened back in 1980 when another prospective royal bride hit the scene and through their machinations, actually put pressure on the couple to marry. We all know how that turned out too. Hopefully both Harry and Meghan are wise and astute enough to just ignore it all and do as they will in their own way in their own time.
Very odd Dickie Arbiter would go on morning tv and peddle clearly wrong info. Judging by his previous twitter comments he doesn't seem to be a fan of Meghan. I would think his credibility and professional reputation would be more important than his bias against the relationship.
I don't think we can compare Meghan's situation to Wallis'. It was even debated at the time of the abdication whether or not David (Edward VIII) would remain a HRH and a prince of the UK after the abdication and there has been discussion of this issue elsewhere on TRF.
With Meghan, if she married Harry, she most certainly could be titled at as HRH and a princess of the UK. In the UK. Her titles and styles may not be recognized in the US as an American citizen because American citizenship doesn't allow for titles from foreign countries. This is as I understand it. Its possible though that Meghan could have dual citizenship in both the US and the UK and her UK titles and styles would then be recognized.
I'm sure that the powers that be that really know this stuff will be busy at work making sure that the ins and outs of it all will be made perfectly clear. Its possible too that Meghan will drop her US citizenship and just become a citizen of the UK. All this remains to be seen.
He said "The issue is Meghan is an American. Nothing wrong with being American. But Harry is an HRH and as an American , she can't be an HRH because you don't get titles. You don't even get a courtesy title. "
Meghan is the classiest, kindest,smartest, most accomplished woman who ever lived. Everyone pales in comparison
He said "The issue is Meghan is an American. Nothing wrong with being American. But Harry is an HRH and as an American , she can't be an HRH because you don't get titles. You don't even get a courtesy title. "
Don't you know wyevale? Meghan is the classiest, kindest,smartest, most accomplished woman who ever lived. Everyone pales in comparison.You must have missed her long form resume that frequently gets posted in this thread
He said "The issue is Meghan is an American. Nothing wrong with being American. But Harry is an HRH and as an American , she can't be an HRH because you don't get titles. You don't even get a courtesy title. "
If he actually said that he has either grown senile or is letting his prejudices (not necessarily racial) show, maybe both.
Two of the best known American women to marry into royalty--
Princess Grace (Grace Kelly)of Monaco
Queen Noor (Lisa Halaby) of Jordan
Some of the many American women who married into British nobility--
Lady Randolph (Jennie Jerome)Churchill (Winston Churchill's mother)
Baroness (Frances Work) Fermoy (Diana's great grandmother)
The Marchioness (Kathleen Kennedy) of Hartington (JFK's sister)
Being an American didn't prevent them from holding a title in the country of their spouse--as Mbruno said--it just isn't recognized in the US on official documents. (Much like William and Kate using a first and last name, rather than a title, in the French courts when filing the Closer lawsuit.)
Hi all! I'm new to this forum and posting for the first time. I've been an avid Suits fan for a long time and actually developed an interest in the British Royals through the Meghan Markle connection.
Based on my knowledge of the Suits schedule, I have constructed my own hypothesis regarding a possible engagement announcement. Last season, a lead character, Gina Torres was written out of the show in the 10th episode of season 6. They will finish filming the first 10 episodes of season 7 by the end of the month. The 10th episode will air on September 13th. I'm guessing Rachel Zane will be written out somewhere around that episode. Just in time for an announcement before the Invictus Games kick off on September 26th.
I also find it fascinating that we can somewhat trace the history of this relationship by analyzing Suits. The back 6 episodes of Season 6 were filmed from Sept-Nov 2016. There is not a single kissing scene between MM and her on screen fiance. This is highly irregular for this show. Even more interesting is the last episode filmed before the 2016 summer hiatus (se06 ep10), in July 2016. There is a deleted scene on youtube which shows MM passionately kissing her "fiance". This scene was replaced by a very platonic interaction. My guess is that the relationship was very serious by then.
Gina came to me — I think it was at the beginning of season five. She had some things going on in her life, and she wanted to discuss a graceful exit from the show for her to be able to live primarily in Los Angeles versus Toronto (where Suits is filmed). [snip] She wanted to do it to some degree sooner rather than later, so we tried to figure out a way to make it work for both of us so that she could enjoy her life a little bit more, and we could still have Jessica as long as possible.
The initial plan was to let her do a reduced amount in season six but keep it through (all) 16 episodes, and then, she got a pilot last year, and they really needed us to guarantee that she would be in first position if it got picked up for the shooting of the series, which would’ve been when we were shooting our back six. So we decided okay, let’s let her out. Instead of doing maybe 8 of the first 10 and then three of the back six, we said, let’s just do the first 10 and then let her go. And then if we need to bring her back for some part of the back six we will, which we may still do.
Based on the way Aaron Korsh describes Gina's exit, I don't think they're going to be hardnosed if Meghan wanted to renegotiate.
‘Suits’ Creator On Summer Finale Big Cast Member Exit & Its Aftermath | Deadline
I think the most telling clue about whether Meghan will be leaving is if they start to bump up the role of Katrina Bennett or bring on a new female paralegal or jr attorney (or bring back Claire). They've already lost Gina, but if they lose Meghan too, they'll need another central female character.