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We don't know if they love each other or not. Are they in a relationship? Yes. Do they love each other? We don't know. They are still in the early stages of a relationship that is being carried out between 2 countries.


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Old 12-08-2016, 06:49 PM
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Under other circumstances you may be right but Harry and Meghan are in their 30's. She is 35. He loves her and she him. Harry is not going to wait 2 years to marry. June 2017 will be a year of dating for me. The most he'll wait is a year I think at least, IF he waits that long.
I appreciate your enthusiasm for this couple, I really do. But I think talk of an engagement is at least a little bit premature. Unless you know something the rest of us don't know Harry and Meghan are in a relationship which clearly they both seem keen to explore, great for them. But in BRF for this generation its way too early. They haven't ever lived in the same continent let alone the same city for a few months.

Yes they might speed things up compared to a W/K ten year long relationship. But remember Kate got (and still is ) continually hounded by the press, which got worse not better when they got engaged/married.

If this is serious Meghan would have to know that the Photogs are potentially going to chase her every day of her life and the papers are going analyse everything she says and does. This unfortunately goes for any senior RBF member.

If they make it that far I would certainly support them getting married and unless anything awful turns up I can't see that QE2 would be opposed despite what the US tabloids are saying, even if she had initial misgivings.

As for the Cof E as it stands they might be able to actually get married in St Paul's/Westminster Abbey if they wanted but might prefer a more low key ceremony. But as I said I hope they are happy but that might be a way off yet.
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Old 12-08-2016, 07:38 PM
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In relation to Meghan, I don't know, but for me there is no doubt that Harry is in love. He assumed o romance and defended her, I don't remember him doing this for another girlfriend. Not to mention his sudden visit to Toronto.
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Old 12-08-2016, 09:06 PM
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Under other circumstances you may be right but Harry and Meghan are in their 30's. She is 35. He loves her and she him. Harry is not going to wait 2 years to marry. June 2017 will be a year of dating for me. The most he'll wait is a year I think at least, IF he waits that long.
If Harry wishes to retain his place in the line of succession then it's not entirely his choice how long he has to wait before an engagement.

Harry need the Queen's permission to marry. It's that simple. If he marries a divorce, Catholic, American woman without his grandmother's permission then he's out of the line of succession. And while the Queen might not consider her being bi-racial, divorced, Catholic, or an American as a valid reason to deny him permission to marry (none of which really are), she is likely to consider a short relationship where the pair of them haven't even lived in the same continent a good reason.

If Harry rushes to the alter just because his biological clock is ticking then he's a fool who's destined to repeat his father's mistakes. Let him enjoy the dating stage of his relationship.
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Old 12-08-2016, 09:23 PM
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EPHRAIM HARDCASTLE: Prince Harry's hotting-up romance with Meghan Markle suggests marriage is imminent* | Daily Mail Online

Should we take this seriously? Not sure since it seems like a filler but I would hope he would want to marry her in the future...
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Old 12-08-2016, 09:32 PM
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Is it definite that she is (born/culturally) Catholic? I know she attended a Catholic School but so did many non Catholics I know.

Autumn Phillips converted with a quote that "It was basically the same any way." Except without the Pope.
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Old 12-08-2016, 09:32 PM
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There will be plenty of opportunities in 2017 for Harry and Meghan to show up together

Hmm...

I think it's likely they'll spend New Year's together. Not necessarily Christmas - Harry's likely to spend that with the family, and Meghan isn't likely to get an invite there. New Years is different, and I doubt there's any reason one or the other can't fly to visit, perhaps even for longer than a weekend. January is typically a slow royal month. Likewise, it's unlikely that Harry isn't going to do a ski trip at some point this winter, and I wouldn't be surprised if Meghan joins - remember, that's how we first got pictures of him with Cressida.

I don't think we're likely to see Harry, let alone Meghan, at Catherine or William's birthdays. Eugenie's is different, and it'll be interesting to see if any of Harry's exes are also there.

-Eugenie’s 27th birthday. Harry and Eugenie are very close and he usually attends her birthdays, so this is a good possibility. I believe Chelsy and Harry were somewhat on/off throughout their relationship, plus he was a lot younger when Peter turned 30 and Camilla 60 which could have influenced the lack of a date.

I don't know if Meghan'll show up at polo - it'd be interesting as polo games tend to be such huge family things, with the Cambridges, Harry, Anne and Tim, the Phillips, the Tindalls, and even the Wessexes sometimes in attendance. Wimbledon is probably a given - didn't it come out that Meghan attended Wimbledon this year in the royal box? What would also be interesting is if she goes to Ascot, although that's a stretch - Harry doesn't typical attend himself.

I think it's likely that Meghan'll be his plus-one at Skippy's wedding. It would be odd if she wasn't, to be honest - as if Harry were deliberately hiding her.

I do think Harry will visit Meghan while she's filming season 7 - it seems to be implied that he did so while she was filming season 6, but no one was aware of it because the relationship wasn't public then.

Harry's also due in Toronto for Invictus in the spring, so it'll be interesting to see what happens there.

As for the Queen and DoE's 70th wedding anniversary... I don't see that one happening. Just based on the typical Suits filming/airing schedule, I think it's likely we're looking at an April 2018 engagement at best, which would prevent an appearance at the anniversary.

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As for the Cof E as it stands they might be able to actually get married in St Paul's/Westminster Abbey if they wanted but might prefer a more low key ceremony. But as I said I hope they are happy but that might be a way off yet.
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Is it definite that she is (born/culturally) Catholic? I know she attended a Catholic School but so did many non Catholics I know.

Autumn Phillips converted with a quote that "It was basically the same any way." Except without the Pope.
I've seen a number of reports that she is Catholic, but nothing from her in any way so I wouldn't call it verified. I mean, it's a logical assumption given her schooling, but not a guarantee.

Of course, Harry can now marry a Catholic without losing his succession rights, so that in itself isn't necessarily an issue - he just can't convert, and his children can't be raised Catholic if he wants them to have succession rights.

I do think that her religion (if she is Catholic) combined with her divorce might prevent a big wedding in Westminster Abbey. Technically, the CoE does allow it, and Harry wasn't a cause of Meghan's divorce so I don't think the CoE would object to a church wedding in itself... but they might go for a "lesser" church. Andrew and Anne both got married in the Abbey, but Edward didn't, and Harry at this point is only the grandchild of the monarch, even if his position is fairly comparable to Andrew's.

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Should we take this seriously? Not sure since it seems like a filler but I would hope he would want to marry her in the future...
This is filler. Harry made a quicky trip to see Meghan and the DM, after having already raked him over the coals for it, is now trying to spin it differently.

I think Harry's behaviour indicates he's certainly serious about this relationship, but serious about a relationship doesn't necessarily translate into an imminent engagement.
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Old 12-08-2016, 09:53 PM
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If Harry wishes to retain his place in the line of succession then it's not entirely his choice how long he has to wait before an engagement.

Harry need the Queen's permission to marry. It's that simple. If he marries a divorce, Catholic, American woman without his grandmother's permission then he's out of the line of succession. And while the Queen might not consider her being bi-racial, divorced, Catholic, or an American as a valid reason to deny him permission to marry (none of which really are), she is likely to consider a short relationship where the pair of them haven't even lived in the same continent a good reason.

If Harry rushes to the alter just because his biological clock is ticking then he's a fool who's destined to repeat his father's mistakes. Let him enjoy the dating stage of his relationship.
Ish, I am well aware that he needs the Queen's permission. What;s makes you believe that she won't? I believe she will without reservation if she hasn't given it to him already.
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Old 12-08-2016, 09:57 PM
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Too early to be talking about marriage. Let's give the couple sometime. If real love is there, they will get there when they feel ready. Can't rush marriage no matter who you are.
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Old 12-08-2016, 10:00 PM
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Is it definite that she is (born/culturally) Catholic? I know she attended a Catholic School but so did many non Catholics I know.

Autumn Phillips converted with a quote that "It was basically the same any way." Except without the Pope.
Tom Markel, Meghan's father, is Jewish, but her mother isn't. Doesn't Judaism come through the maternal line? Some people at an LA synagogue reportedly stated that she was active there when she was younger and living in that city. In earlier, rather elderly biographies posted on the Internet, Meghan is listed as Jewish. I'm not sure whether her ex husband is Jewish. They didn't marry in a synagogue.

However, there have been no reports from Toronto that Meghan is active in any synagogue there. She attended a Roman Catholic school and had a non-denominational wedding in Jamaica. This suggests to me a fluid attitude towards religious expression.
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Old 12-08-2016, 11:32 PM
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Tom Markel, Meghan's father, is Jewish, but her mother isn't. Doesn't Judaism come through the maternal line? Some people at an LA synagogue reportedly stated that she was active there when she was younger and living in that city. In earlier, rather elderly biographies posted on the Internet, Meghan is listed as Jewish. I'm not sure whether her ex husband is Jewish. They didn't marry in a synagogue.

However, there have been no reports from Toronto that Meghan is active in any synagogue there. She attended a Roman Catholic school and had a non-denominational wedding in Jamaica. This suggests to me a fluid attitude towards religious expression.
Ah I know a bit about this. If your considered isn't Jewish by your mother then you are not considered an Halachic Jewish person, even if you celebrated all the High Holy Days Exactly right. The BRF wouldn't turn Jewish overnight.

Sucks to have certain questions potentially ending a very happy relationship but thry would be fools not to consider certain responses if/when it continues.
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Old 12-08-2016, 11:33 PM
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I must be the only one who has never been offended by the 'whatever love means' remark. Any well established couple will tell you that relationships evolve. That first giddy rush of infatuation at some point becomes a more steadfast and deeper love. Both are love - just different stages. There are many scientific studies about all of this stuff, they've even measured the typical length of the infatuation/lust phase. Many relationships founder after that initial thrill fades and don't make it to the long term phase. Cressida never made it to that phase IMO, w/ Chelsey I'm not sure.
Harry has always seemed more impulsive than William, he leads with his heart (although William did break all kinds of rules when he landed his military helicopter in the Middleon garden.) Harry's diversion from Barbados to see Meghan strikes me as something a love struck BF would do, a more established couple is typically more measured. I'm not criticizing them - just suggesting it's the type of gesture more often seen w/ newly formed couples.
Wonder if Meghan will be Harry's plus one at Pippa's May wedding
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Old 12-08-2016, 11:36 PM
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Tom Markel, Meghan's father, is Jewish, but her mother isn't. Doesn't Judaism come through the maternal line? Some people at an LA synagogue reportedly stated that she was active there when she was younger and living in that city. In earlier, rather elderly biographies posted on the Internet, Meghan is listed as Jewish. I'm not sure whether her ex husband is Jewish. They didn't marry in a synagogue.

However, there have been no reports from Toronto that Meghan is active in any synagogue there. She attended a Roman Catholic school and had a non-denominational wedding in Jamaica. This suggests to me a fluid attitude towards religious expression.
Yes, traditionally Jewish families believe a religion passes from mother to child, the opposite is Muslims. I have known a few Jewish families who had a harder time with a son dating a Christian than a daughter. They assumed their daughter would follow tradition and raise the kids Jewish. They feared their son if he we'd a Christian, would convert and raise his kids such.
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Old 12-08-2016, 11:45 PM
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Tom Markel, Meghan's father, is Jewish, but her mother isn't. Doesn't Judaism come through the maternal line? Some people at an LA synagogue reportedly stated that she was active there when she was younger and living in that city. In earlier, rather elderly biographies posted on the Internet, Meghan is listed as Jewish. I'm not sure whether her ex husband is Jewish. They didn't marry in a synagogue.

However, there have been no reports from Toronto that Meghan is active in any synagogue there. She attended a Roman Catholic school and had a non-denominational wedding in Jamaica. This suggests to me a fluid attitude towards religious expression.
Her ex husband is Jewish. She's mentioned celebrating Easters and Christmases but never any Jewish holidays. She's also written of her father celebrating Christmases as a child so if he's Jewish I wonder if he converted at a later age?
She's worn a St. Christopher pendant a couple of times in the past but that's really the only sign of Catholicism I've seen. If I were to take a guess, I wouldn't think she'd have a problem converting.
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Victoria Arbiter was on CNN to discuss Harry and she said she'd be shocked if there was a marriage proposal in the near future. Mostly for the same reasons people here are saying.

She said Meghan maybe the one or maybe not but they've only had a handful of dates and until she gets a taste of life in the global fishbowl it's too early to talk marriage.
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Old 12-09-2016, 12:23 AM
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She wouldn't really need to convert as I understand it. Not since they change things. Harry can marry a Catholic without losing his place in the line of succesion.


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Old 12-09-2016, 01:03 AM
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Victoria Arbiter has NO IDEA what she is talking about...She doesn't know how often Harry and Meghan meet up...Harry and Meghan have been VERY DISCREET in their meetings I doubt Victoria has a tracking device on Harry...After his recent hush trip to Toronto I can't take her seriously anymore.Harry and Meghan are too good at being sneaky for me to agree with the 8 days together...It may even be true but I'm NOT taking it from Victoria...
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Old 12-09-2016, 01:38 AM
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I do think that her religion (if she is Catholic) combined with her divorce might prevent a big wedding in Westminster Abbey. Technically, the CoE does allow it, and Harry wasn't a cause of Meghan's divorce so I don't think the CoE would object to a church wedding in itself... but they might go for a "lesser" church. Andrew and Anne both got married in the Abbey, but Edward didn't, and Harry at this point is only the grandchild of the monarch, even if his position is fairly comparable to Andrew's.
I also can't see Harry and Meghan getting a Westminster Abbey wedding. While the CoE is somewhat more lenient about divorcees(at least publicly ) , there would be major grumbling behind the scenes if WA was used for such a ceremony. You also have to think about the optics. Charles as a future King only got a civil wedding followed by a blessing, the 5th in-line getting preferential treatment to Charles would look odd. Divorcee Camilla will always outrank divorcee Meghan, so anything other than a civil wedding followed by a blessing for Meghan would make Camilla look 'tainted' and only begrudgingly accepted. Best to just tow the line.

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I must be the only one who has never been offended by the 'whatever love means' remark. Any well established couple will tell you that relationships evolve. That first giddy rush of infatuation at some point becomes a more steadfast and deeper love. Both are love - just different stages. There are many scientific studies about all of this stuff, they've even measured the typical length of the infatuation/lust phase. Many relationships founder after that initial thrill fades and don't make it to the long term phase. Cressida never made it to that phase IMO, w/ Chelsey I'm not sure.
Harry has always seemed more impulsive than William, he leads with his heart (although William did break all kinds of rules when he landed his military helicopter in the Middleon garden.) Harry's diversion from Barbados to see Meghan strikes me as something a love struck BF would do, a more established couple is typically more measured. I'm not criticizing them - just suggesting it's the type of gesture more often seen w/ newly formed couples.
Wonder if Meghan will be Harry's plus one at Pippa's May wedding
Yes most psychologists and evolutionary biologists say lust/infatuation lasts for 4 years. That's why so many relationships end around that mark. They say the 7-year itch is a myth, it's the 4-year itch. Like you said Cressida never made it to that stage. With Chelsy it's hard to say since so much of their relationship was conducted long distance, it sort of put them in this artificial timeline, because the distance allowed them to put bubble wrap on any gripes and incompatibilities they had with one another.

Pippa's church only holds about 150 people, reportedly. No way in hell would Harry get a plus-one. Heck, Harry might not get an invite, himself. She has a lot of friends she needs to try to fit in, and Harry is just an acquaintance, an in-law of her sister.
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Old 12-09-2016, 01:38 AM
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Victoria Arbiter has NO IDEA what she is talking about...She doesn't know how often Harry and Meghan meet up...Harry and Meghan have been VERY DISCREET in their meetings I doubt Victoria has a tracking device on Harry...After his recent hush trip to Toronto I can't take her seriously anymore.Harry and Meghan are too good at being sneaky for me to agree with the 8 days together...It may even be true but I'm NOT taking it from Victoria...
So true! We don't know how long they have been together and how much. Those two have been very good at being sneaky. We also don't what they have talked about and to whom regarding a marriage or anything else.

Also, many keep saying it's too soon to talk marriage, but it not about what you or we think. Has anyone thought that Harry may not see it your way, that it is too soon etc?

What if reports are right and he proposes over the holidays? Well, you disagree, okay! What can you do about Harry's decision, if he does propose to Meghan.
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Old 12-09-2016, 01:50 AM
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Victoria Arbiter has NO IDEA what she is talking about...She doesn't know how often Harry and Meghan meet up...Harry and Meghan have been VERY DISCREET in their meetings I doubt Victoria has a tracking device on Harry...After his recent hush trip to Toronto I can't take her seriously anymore.Harry and Meghan are too good at being sneaky for me to agree with the 8 days together...It may even be true but I'm NOT taking it from Victoria...
Yes, Victoria Arbiter is not good at keeping track of royal relationships. Just the other day she said Catherine met HM after dating William for 3 years. We all know Catherine met HM in May 2008, so dippy V. Arbiter thinks W and C started dating in 2005.
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