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Old 11-08-2016, 05:20 PM
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I just read the announcement.
Well done Harry for standing up for your girlfriend like that.
It's a shame though that it is 'unpresidented', that William never did so for Catherine. The critisism against her may not have been racial, but they were awful and degrading anyway.
I wonder why William never took such a step.
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Old 11-08-2016, 05:24 PM
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I agree.

All the more reason for her to sign off on a CoE upbringing for any children or even to convert, like Peter Phillips's wife Autumn did.

Right not likely to be a concern to her that she has to 'sign off'...but aren't they supposed to be changing things so a royal can marry a Catholic without losing their place in line of succession?


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Old 11-08-2016, 05:43 PM
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Maybe the legislation has been proposed but not passed? Unsure. Some of our British friends posting here will have to confirm that one.
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Old 11-08-2016, 05:48 PM
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Yeah I know there was lots of talk about it...just unsure what the status is.


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Old 11-08-2016, 06:12 PM
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Prince Harry: Relationship Suggestions and Musings 2016

That all got changed when they switched to equal primogeniture. You marry a Catholic and you are still in the line of succession. Only the first six in line need permission from monarch to marry. If you marry without permission, your marriage is valid but you and children from that marriage lose place in succession. If the children of a marriage with a Catholic are raised Catholic, they lose their place in the line of succession.


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Old 11-08-2016, 06:13 PM
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Barely civilized we are evidently....

I don't see the divorce being an issue at all considering most of his immediate family have been divorced.

It doesn't sound like she's really a practicing Catholic so that probably wouldn't be an issue either.


It will be interesting to see how it goes....she is going to have to be willing to give up almost everything if she marries him. Plus take on a life of public service and media (and public) scrutiny. Time will tell how serious it is.


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Meghan being a Catholic, practicing or otherwise (no idea if she is or isn't!) is neither here nor there as that ban was voided along with the rule on male gender succession over female a few years back.
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Old 11-08-2016, 06:15 PM
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Throw Jewels at her, if Wallis is anything to go by....
OK - I admit to being offended. As I am American and older than anyone unwed in the BRF, no one would ask me for my hand. So I don't matter.

But I will comment. I would NEVER marry for the jewels or the clothes. I'd marry for LOVE. Even knowing that my risk is 50:50 to end in divorce.

I could never tolerate a relationship bound only by the baubles I could wear. I'd have to care deeply about my spouse and their values and mission. I have to respect the man with whom I share my life. JMO

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Old 11-08-2016, 06:25 PM
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I just read Ms Hopkins Daily Mail article. And i don't understand why the need to drag W&K in it. Can't she just stick to H&M. Anyway i can't stand her..my rant for today
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Old 11-08-2016, 06:41 PM
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That all got changed when they switched to equal primogeniture. You marry a Catholic and you are still in the line of succession. Only the first six in line need permission from monarch to marry. If you marry without permission, your marriage is valid but you and children from that marriage lose place in succession. If the children of a marriage with a Catholic are raised Catholic, they lose their place in the line of succession.


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This is very helpful. Thanks Skippyboo.
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Old 11-08-2016, 07:30 PM
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OK - I admit to being offended. As I am American and older than anyone unwed in the BRF, no one would ask me for my hand. So I don't matter.

But I will comment. I would NEVER marry for the jewels or the clothes. I'd marry for LOVE. Even knowing that my risk is 50:50 to end in divorce.

I could never tolerate a relationship bound only by the baubles I could wear. I'd have to care deeply about my spouse and their values and mission. I have to respect the man with whom I share my life. JMO

Wallis and I share little beyond a sharp mind.

I really doubt Wallis would have appreciated the characterization either. I'm not entirely convinced that Wallis was as in love with David as he was with her, but she certainly wasn't in it for the jewels - if she was, she would have been fine with just being the mistress. Far more jewels come out of being the mistress of the King than the wife of the exiled Prince.
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Old 11-08-2016, 07:30 PM
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OK - I admit to being offended. As I am American and older than anyone unwed in the BRF, no one would ask me for my hand. So I don't matter.

But I will comment. I would NEVER marry for the jewels or the clothes. I'd marry for LOVE. Even knowing that my risk is 50:50 to end in divorce.

I could never tolerate a relationship bound only by the baubles I could wear. I'd have to care deeply about my spouse and their values and mission. I have to respect the man with whom I share my life. JMO

Wallis and I share little beyond a sharp mind.
I'm with you! But different times.

Lets just leave them alone. Find their way, or not.
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Old 11-08-2016, 07:37 PM
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Meghan being a Catholic, practicing or otherwise (no idea if she is or isn't!) is neither here nor there as that ban was voided along with the rule on male gender succession over female a few years back.

Meghan being Catholic can still face some issues.

First, while Harry can marry a Catholic without her converting and retain his place in the succession, as 5th in the line of succession, he can't marry without his grandmother's permission and retain his place in the succession. The Queen might not be jumping at the chance to approve of her grandson marrying a Catholic woman who isn't converting.

Second, there is pressure within the Catholic Church that children born from mixed marriages be raised Catholic. If Meghan's faith is important to her or her family, this may be an issue.

Third, if Harry's children are raised Catholic, this bars them from being in the succession. Likewise if Harry himself converts he loses his place in the succession.
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Old 11-08-2016, 08:12 PM
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The succession line is secure. There are more than enough people in it. So Prince Henry can lose his place.
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Old 11-08-2016, 08:35 PM
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I think soon they will be engaged. I feel that Harry is very much in love with her, the way he is protecting her proves that the story is serious. And they are already at a mature age, there is no reason to wait too long.
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Old 11-08-2016, 10:17 PM
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Can't say I disagree. It is a drastic step to send out a message like that. To my knowledge, something that official never happened with his previous girlfriends.
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Old 11-08-2016, 11:25 PM
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The BRF are not frozen in time - they have changed through the years & IMO Harry's statement is no more than an evolution of the BRF's approach to dealing with the press.
Catherine & her family were & still are subjected to intense media scrutiny and class driven vitriol. Yet William didn't lose her because of it. Moreover both she and William are very reserved and cautious, thus their style is to not react except in flagrant cases (eg: France.)
Harry, on the other hand has spoken about how awful it can be to date him because of the press. W/ both Chelsey and Cressida there were reports that the press circus that came with dating Harry was part of the reason the relationships ended. Harry leads with his heart and can be impulsive (like his mother) and he shoots from the hip (like his grandfather Phillip.) Thus I'm not surprised that when the reporter/photographer was caught breaking into his GF's garage, when her mother was subjected to the press frenzy when she tried to go to work, etc., he reacted.
Several years ago there was a case in my town that generated a media frenzy - so I saw first hand the huge press pack in action - those people are ruthless, worse than the most high pressure sales pitch you've ever been subjected to, they are like sharks attacking when they scent blood.
Harry's mistake is that he believes the press as it currently exists has any moral compass, IMO they care for nothing except their next scoop & paycheck.
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Old 11-08-2016, 11:29 PM
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I think soon they will be engaged. I feel that Harry is very much in love with her, the way he is protecting her proves that the story is serious. And they are already at a mature age, there is no reason to wait too long.
From your mouth to God's ears. I do hope that this relationship will lead to a wedding. I believe that if a royal prince were to marry a mixed raced girl, it would do a lot to advance racial relations. After all, if the pinnacle of society [that is to say royalty] marries someone who is mixed race, society in general may be more willing to open doors. Also, as an American, I'm proud of Meghan, a fellow American, marrying into royalty. She's a beautiful lady every bit as impressive as Kate. I think that Harry and Meghan would have beautiful babies. Red hair seems to be pretty dominant, so I bet that the babies would be red haired too. Also, as someone who is involved in charities and is used to doing public appearances, her transition to royalty wouldn't be that difficult.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:55 AM
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I wish them well but I don't see a woman like Meghan trapped in such an ancient institution for the next 40 years. It might be fun in the beginning, but, and Grace Kelly would probably agree, it won't last.

Katie Hopkins puts it to the point:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...happy-too.html
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:32 AM
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Why no backlash on harry himself

Comment from another forum and i so agree with this. Why is the media not saying anything about this. Why is the media not saying anything about the cost of protection officers who are needed as he is traveling the world when william gets grief over every little thing

I have often wondered how much of what Harry says is just parroting what his advisors tell him to say as opposed to what he really believes. I re-visited his New Zealand interview where he spoke about getting a job after leaving the army and I am struck again by how appropriate his remarks were - I was very impressed at the time. He say " I hope the British people will trust me to make the right decision". Well they trusted him and he made the wrong decision. He goes on to say how important it is to have a job - that earning a wage keeps him in touch with average British people, keeps you sane and keeps you ticking along. He says "if you want to make a big or valid contribution, if you want to be taken seriously than you must work alongside other people". He repeats that people should trust him and he'll make them proud. And he was right in those remarks - dead right. But then he went on to refuse the jobs his family offered him and spending over a year being an unemployed playboy.
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:11 AM
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The much of the criticism of Megan is very racist. I don't think that many people in the United States or the UK expected Prince Harry's next girlfriend to be a black woman. I applaud him for standing up for her. I don't think this will lead to a marriage but hopefully they will always be close friends
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