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Old 11-07-2016, 09:23 AM
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How so? they have denied several rumors: Brazilian girl, Olympia of Greece, Pippa ...
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Old 11-07-2016, 09:53 AM
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Harry and KP don't typically make a habit of acknowledging or denying his relationships.

If anyone is going to deny it, it'll have to be Meghan. No one is likely to confirm it.
Kp declined to confirm the emma Watson rumor, the story about hm giving her approval for Harry and Cressida being engaged was denied and the only thing Clarence house denied approving of the relationship between h and meghan. Not sure why they denied the rumor of antonia months before she was photographed leaving a club in eugenie's car. The dm wrote another article referring antonia as his ex. It was based on nothing despite kp denial months ago. Perhaps kp gave up on answering questions about his love life or lack thereof, after pippa they probably felt it wasn't worth an answer. I'm convinced that reporters are getting info from tumblr, Labelle was on the cover of the sun in February, at least a month ago when it was a hot topic on tumblr. The photo of harry showing Bidwell something on his phone was taken off ig and posted on tumblr. The anon's wrote that he was probably showing Adam or some blonde, pictures of his summer in sa. Lo and behold, later on the dm writes an article with the same description. Markle will have to deny eventually considering no actual evidence and not just some pics of bananas spooning, bracelets and an estranged family member or pr agency unsure if it's true.
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Old 11-07-2016, 10:02 AM
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Hear hear! I could not agree more. It is all a big IF but I think Meghan is just not the type of person that will fit into the role as senior member of the Royal Family. We will see but I predict trouble. All that talk about bringing the Royals closer to the public and make the Royal Family more relevant. The Monarchy is an ancient institution and I like the people in it to look up to. There has to be distance otherwise it is just like watching the Kardashians to me. Criticise me all you want but that is how I feel.
I do understand the points that you and Duc are making, and to a certain extent I also agree with them. But what truly confuses me is that I have seen posts where you lauded the choice of Sofia Hellqvist for Carl-Philip of Sweden as "true love"...?

Do or did you look up to her?
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Old 11-07-2016, 10:14 AM
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If Harry is really intent on keeping his private life under the radar, we're not going to get any kind of reliable information whatsoever about his relationship with anyone at this point. If he's setting up smokescreens to keep the media and the public guessing, its not going to be some little whiff of smoke but a blazing forest fire almost impossible to penetrate.

If this is true, they will go public with it in their own time and not before. Personally, I hope he keeps his private life private for a very long time and use that time (if applicable) to cement a solid relationship with Meghan before the craziness all begins. Harry, well enough, knows from experience of what his mother had to deal with and the mass media mania that surrounded his brother and Kate and even from his former relationships exactly what to expect if and when his relationships become fodder for all kinds of speculations, microscopic examination and having anyone he's involved with preyed on by a snarling pack of wolves after a good meal 24/7.

Its not exactly the best milieu for a royal courtship at all.
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:18 PM
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Wow, it's been a while since I've posted. Late to the party, but does anyone know how this Meghan Markle story first came to light? Sorry I've it's already been answered.
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:32 PM
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I do think that she should have been better educated, with a real background in almost every subject that could be crammed into her head. as for Malta and other such things, you're right about that too. For some reason, the reigning dynasties apparently prefer to basically learn as little as possible and be as unprepared as possible.
That seems to be the case for the Windsors, but not for reigning dynasties in general. King Felipe VI of Spain for example, in addition to his military training, has a law degree from the Autonomous University of Madrid and a master's degree in foreign relations from Georgetown.
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Old 11-07-2016, 02:41 PM
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Wow, it's been a while since I've posted. Late to the party, but does anyone know how this Meghan Markle story first came to light? Sorry I've it's already been answered.

Camilla Tominey broke it in the Daily Star 2 Sundays ago and we have had daily stories since.


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Old 11-07-2016, 03:06 PM
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Tominey 'broke' the story and depending on the reporter, Meghan may or may have met Charles.

Meghan may or may not have met William and Catherine.

Meghan is moving to London to be closer to Harry. Harry is going to spend more of his free time in Toronto.

Harry is head over heels for her or they are taking it easy and slow.

It's everything and anything, assuming it's more than just a fling.

Tabloids are DESPERATE for a relationship so take every word with three grains of salt.
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Old 11-07-2016, 03:15 PM
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Camilla Tominey broke it in the Daily Star 2 Sundays ago and we have had daily stories since.


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Thank you! Well I have a lot to catch up on, but from the time I've first heard the news to now...my opinion has been somewhat swayed. I didn't think it credible, in the same way that I didn't find the other stories about Harry and celebrities credible. However, it is strange that no one has clarified or denied (ie. Her family not the royals).

I don't believe Harry lives like a monk in between relationships (nor should he), so it's not weird to think they had/have casual hook-ups. As a girlfriend, it would be a bummer to see her drop her career just to be with Harry. She clearly has ambition in many areas and I'd hate to see anyone give that up just to be a member of the RF; that's the main reason why I find a serious relationship as improbable. But then again, I know absolutely nothing.
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Old 11-07-2016, 03:47 PM
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I remember when there were rumors between Harry and Antonia Packard, he said it was a complete lie. When a woman said she had kissed him in Las Vegas, he also denied other rumors: Olympia, actresses,,, everything was denied, I find it strange that silence on both sides, because this advertising is also not being good for her, I I see many offenses to her on the web, also find it odd she did not deny, so I guess it's true.
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Old 11-07-2016, 04:10 PM
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I do understand the points that you and Duc are making, and to a certain extent I also agree with them. But what truly confuses me is that I have seen posts where you lauded the choice of Sofia Hellqvist for Carl-Philip of Sweden as "true love"...?

Do or did you look up to her?

No, I don't look up to Sofia. Not at all. I never lauded the choice for Sofia, I just said that it seemed to me that Carl-Philip had found his soulmate. That must be because he was prepared to take many hurdles to marry Sofia.
If Meghan proves to be Harry's soulmate, I wish them luck. Who am I to be against true love?
I just think that people like Harry or Carl-Philip should be aware of their position and their choice for a life partner should not only be based on love. It is well for all of us to follow our heart but the Royals should not only use their heart but also their head. That is what comes with the territory.
Royals can't just marry anyone. That is just as it is to me. There are certain standards to follow.
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Old 11-07-2016, 05:25 PM
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I have been saying the same thing for years, long before Meghan and long before Sofia.

But members of the Royal families(even the ones closest in the Succession) are no longer choosing their partners based on both their heads, their duties and their hearts.

They are choosing whomever they want to marry and blasting through any opposition. They view their success in marrying these occasionally profoundly unsuitable people as proof that "love conquers all".

In many cases they are cheered on in their single-minded pursuit of their own choices by press and public. The offshoot is that the Royals are literally not Royal at all either through education, background or any other parameters. (Their bloodlines are the very least of the problems with some of them.) The line between Royal and celebrity has grown so thin as to have become virtually indistinguishable.

The most important thing for a princess now is to be attractive and wear clothes well. PERIOD.

And Harry's new squeeze checks off both boxes.

So to try and tell Harry that he needs to uphold standards when very few of his family and Royal peers have done so is not rational or fair. You cannot put milk that has spilled back into the bottle.

Thanks for answering Hendrik-Jan77.
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Old 11-07-2016, 05:56 PM
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As far as I'm aware, the consort of every heir of every reigning royal house in Europe is a royal by marriage.

There maybe an exception but for the most part countries and society in general have moved on.

I know some royal houses with their non-existent titles and non-existent thrones like to play make believe but that's another thread.

Even if for the sake of debate some obscure 'German princess' was plucked out of Europe for Harry, she'd still only be royal by virtue of her marriage. No different from Meghan.
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Old 11-07-2016, 06:02 PM
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Who said a Royal spouse needs to even be a princess, German or otherwise?

How about if she has had a decent education(or is demonstrably intelligent) has a decent career or work ethic and cares about something other than becoming famous?

How about her qualifications for marriage include something more substantial than her "tiara hair"?

How about if we haven't seen body parts no one except her physician or husband needs to be familiar with?
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Old 11-07-2016, 06:31 PM
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Everyone who married into the BRF royals recently had a education and or a career. Taking Camilla out of the equation because there was different expectations for a woman when she was a younger woman.

Kate and Autumn both have University degrees. Kate's the same university as her husband. Sophie built a business that she couldn't continue as a Royal. Mike had a successful rugby career.

Meghan has more education than Harry does.


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Old 11-07-2016, 06:39 PM
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If you look at Queens Maxima, Letizia and Mathilde though, I don't think anyone can deny that their spouses chose well. A hundred or more years ago none of them would have got within a mile of the throne as consort, not even Mathilde.

Yet in Felipe of Spain's case at least, he did have to literally 'blast' through the opposition to gain his true love. It was said that he had a letter in his pocket during his last meeting with his father, before King Juan Carlos changed his mind, in which he stated that he would withdraw from his position as Prince of Asturias if he could not marry Letizia.

And years before there was the case of Harald of Norway who would not give up his secret fiancée Sonja even though they had to wait nearly a decade to marry. It was the same with Victoria and Daniel of Sweden. In both examples these people have proved superb consorts. So it's not always a disaster when a Royal falls in love and the news is received with horror or disdain by the Royal House. Love sometimes does conquer all. And a match considered extremely desirable on paper sometimes turns out not to be so. Look at Diana!

As far as Harry and Meghan are concerned I don't think that an actress stripping off for a sex scene in a TV movie or film should be held against her. So many productions today have raunchy scenes in them and contracted actors and actresses have to appear in them whatever their personal feelings. Porn of any kind is very different, in my view.

Harry/Meghan might or might not prove to be serious and end in an engagement, and yes the state of the relationship still isn't clear at all. However, I'm with others in believing that Harry would have said something, anything, even jokingly, to reporters (as he did with Pippa where there was far less fuss,) if there wasn't something there. This past week has been extraordinary and yet not a peep from him.
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Old 11-07-2016, 08:10 PM
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I also don't think that making a bold scene in a movie is a problem. Grace Kelly was also an actress and married a prince. She did not participate in daring scenes, because it was another epoch, but I doubt the prince would not have married with her if she had done. Of course it's early to talk about marriage, but I think something is happening. It would be enough Harry to say that he is alone, would put an end to the rumors.
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Old 11-07-2016, 08:57 PM
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The rubber will meet the road if they do ever get to a point where marriage is discussed.

The inner sanctum of the BRF is almost like a secret society. She'd have to give up a lot.

Plus she's already been down the marriage road once before, which in of itself isn't a big deal but I'm sure Harry is hoping 1 is his lucky number. No do overs for him.

Does she want children? Harry sure seems like he does. Obviously very, very early days.
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Old 11-07-2016, 09:21 PM
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That seems to be the case for the Windsors, but not for reigning dynasties in general. King Felipe VI of Spain for example, in addition to his military training, has a law degree from the Autonomous University of Madrid and a master's degree in foreign relations from Georgetown.

Yes it that has really only been in recent generations. If you look at monarchs in the same age range as Elizabeth you will find they have similar to her. Charles is older than his fellow hours and new sovereigns. But a few of his contemporaries age wise were starting to get better educations. Hans Adams his age and has a masters in business for instance. What I admire is in countries like the Netherlands, emphasis is put on younger kids getting a strong education and a career. Friso had a degree in aeronautical engineering and two masters. Constantine is a lawyer and also has a MBA, having worked in diplomacy, law and business.

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Who said a Royal spouse needs to even be a princess, German or otherwise?

How about if she has had a decent education(or is demonstrably intelligent) has a decent career or work ethic and cares about something other than becoming famous?

How about her qualifications for marriage include something more substantial that her "tiara hair"?

How about if we haven't seen body parts no one except her physician or husband needs to be familiar with?
Plenty of people. Duc for instance outs Cressida on a podium. An actress Snd model like Meghan who partied. But she us the granddaughter of an earl so that is all that matters.

Kate well she has no career to speak of but education wise she has a degree from a top university.

Meghan has a degree in communications and international relations. And while an actress, serves as an ambassador for both world vision and the UN women's fund both of which she does a lot of work with.

Though since their spouses have no titles or roles I don't see why they are included autumn has a Ba in eastern Asian studies from the top Canadian university and had a career in consulting. Mike has a hugely successful sports caree.

Abroad we have

Letizia holds a masters in audiovisual education and had quite the journalism career.

Mathilde who comes from aristocratic roots has a masters in psychology and worked as a speech therapist.

Maxima has a masters in economics and worked in finance. Mabel has a degree in political science she had worked with the elders and war child. Laurentien has a masters in journalism.

Daniel may not have an education but he built several successful businesses. Chris has a masters from Columbia school of business and a successful business career.

Stephanie is an aristocrat, with a masters. Claire is working on a doctorate in bioethics. Tessy recently obtained her masters in diplomacy.

Mary had a bachelor of commerce and Marie in arts, and both worked in marketing and pr.

Ari Behn has a degree in history and religion, and a career as an author. MM did get some college educator and since marriage had continued.
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Who said a Royal spouse needs to even be a princess, German or otherwise?
How about if she has had a decent education(or is demonstrably intelligent) has a decent career or work ethic and cares about something other than becoming famous?
How about her qualifications for marriage include something more substantial that her "tiara hair"?
How about if we haven't seen body parts no one except her physician or husband needs to be familiar with?
The caveat to such women is that they actually have something of their own going on that would not include having it all tossed off to be a support system as their husband cuts ribbons. It's not like princes literally run the country and have to make life/death decisions and it's not like they really risk all that much. A marriage does not seal a peace treaty or a trade treaty and it's not like the Windsors actually offer anyone much. I do believe that Harry isn't really a bad guy, but realistically he's not hanging around women with quiet jobs and quiet lives.
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