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Old 06-04-2017, 12:04 AM
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OT: Don't mind me.... Just coming out of lurkdom to comment about the Wimbledon pic. So I was googling pictures from that day last year and in one of them you can see Pippa sitting behind Meghan. I wonder if they know they've been in close proximity of each other before her wedding reception?
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Old 06-04-2017, 12:18 AM
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If we believe tabloids, they did indeed meet in May in Toronto. And were introduced by her good friend Mark
Prince Harry met Meghan Markle through her close friend Markus Anderson | Daily Mail Online
I don't usually read through an entire article like this one, but I made the effort and don't see May being mentioned.

I did see this: "It was revealed on Sunday that Harry dated Burberry model Sarah Ann Macklin in June and July while he was romancing Meghan when she visited London. Friends of Sarah Ann, 27, told the Mail on Sunday that the Prince met the model at a private party where he took her number and bombarded her with texts, just as he is said to have done with Meghan. The relationship reportedly fizzled out but the model remains friendly with the Prince."

So we are hearing about June and July concerning a Burberry model, but I never saw May mentioned as the meeting between Meghan and Harry. Is it there right in front of me?
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Old 06-04-2017, 02:23 AM
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It's as I said in a previous post, nobody knows when and where they met. A previous poster stated that one or the other of the York princesses introduced them. Several of us pointed out that Meghan didn't/doesn't know the Yorks.

There have been various rumours flying around. They could have met in May in Toronto and it could have been Markus, to whom she's very close, who introduced them. It could have been in England in June. It probably didn't become serious until June/July when it's been said they met up in LA. but who knows!
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Old 06-04-2017, 03:09 AM
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It's as I said in a previous post, nobody knows when and where they met. A previous poster stated that one or the other of the York princesses introduced them. Several of us pointed out that Meghan didn't/doesn't know the Yorks.

There have been various rumours flying around. They could have met in May in Toronto and it could have been Markus, to whom she's very close, who introduced them. It could have been in England in June. It probably didn't become serious until June/July when it's been said they met up in LA. but who knows!
From what I gathered and read, Harry and Meghan were on a double date with Eugenie and Jack in Toronto at a Halloween party in Soho House. Funnily enough, it was around that time the story broke of their relationship.
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Old 06-04-2017, 03:20 AM
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Yes, that appeared in the DM article linked above. It's never been confirmed though, and this was as you say, about the time Camilla Tominey broke the story of the Harry/Meghan romance in the Express. By then Harry had been dating Meghan for some months and Eugenie may well have partied previously with the couple. There's no evidence though that Meghan knew the Yorks before though, or that it had been Eugenie who had introduced her to Harry.

There are so many conflicting stories of how these two got together that I hope that if/when they become engaged they disclose where they met in the subsequent interview.
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Old 06-04-2017, 03:46 AM
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Personally I believe they met in London around the time of Wimbledon and were introduced through Markus Andersson. He probably was bombarding her with texts and wore her down.
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Old 06-04-2017, 04:49 AM
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Yep...they are close, both of them have said it in interviews. Can't imagine either of them making that type of decision without talking to the other one.

IIRC, re: Diana's ring, it was said in an interview/article that they had an agreement..whoever got engaged first could use it.



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Makes sense to me.
Also it depends on HOW Diana´s jewels were shared between the 2. In case Diana had a last will, which claims exactly "this will go to Wills, this will go to Harry".... then it is clear.
But in case she did not do this.... then the 2 brothers will have to discuss in case Harry wants to select one ring from Dianas anchestry....

There were not yet THAT many jewels from the late Diana worn by Catherine: the engagement ring, the Lovers Knot Tiara and some Sapphire earrings - not more to my knowledge. One example is her famous Pearl Sapphire Choker..... we have not seen the one since Dianas death. So I would love to know, what the boys have decided on that one.
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Old 06-04-2017, 05:36 AM
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The WIll just divides all she ahd between WIll and Harry. I Suppose that they did reach the agreement that whoever got married first - most likely that would be WIll) wodl get the engagement ring if they wanted it...
The Lovers Knot Tiara isn't her personal property..
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Old 06-04-2017, 06:22 AM
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Well we all know Harry knew about the ring William proposed to Kate with!

Will Harry discuss his own and/or Meghan's choices with William? Who knows! It's such a personal thing. But "having a say"? That for me would be a No.
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Old 06-04-2017, 07:45 AM
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I don't think it is disrespectful necessarily to not wear your wedding ring even if you have one. Some people's jobs have safety issues wearing rings, other people develop allergies to metal and some who never wore a ring before find they don't like wearing a ring. None of that means you are disrespecting your spouse,

Yes! I was going to mention allergies.
I've never been able to wear rings due to this.


As for William having a say in the ring Harry chooses, I could see it if Harry decided to use a family heirloom.
Charles gave Camilla a ring that had belonged to the Queen Mother, so if Harry did the same, he might need to get permission. Because the current jewels in the royal collection are probably going to end up with William, right?
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Old 06-04-2017, 06:41 PM
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Not quite.

If it is in the Royal Collection it belongs to the nation and not the royal family.

If it is privately owned by The Queen then it will pass to Charles and then William to avoid death duties as monarch to monarch transfer of property is free of death duties while anything past to any other family member e.g. from The Queen to Anne will be subject to the normal death duties. That is why David and Sarah had to sell some of their mother's jewellery as she was only the second child of the monarch. It is why the Duke of Gloucester also had to sell some of his mother's possession in 2002 as he had to pay the death duties from his father and mother's estates. He had been allowed to delay the death duties from his father's death until his mother's as a courtesy (not always allowed but sometimes). Even William and Harry had to pay death duties on what they inherited from Diana (although there was some talk that as she and Charles hadn't been divorced all that long he could claim back the settlement and thus avoid the death duties. He decided that the estate would have to pay the death duties as a PR move).

There are three jewel collections for the BRF:

1. The Crown Jewels - those kept in the Tower of London and used for coronations and baptisms etc

2. The Royal Collection - those that belong to the nation and include large jewellery sets given to royals on state visits etc as well as quite a lot of the older jewellery pieces - along with art works - this is why William couldn't destroy all the ivory pieces in BP or Windsor etc - because they aren't the property of the family but the nation.

3. Their private collections - these are personal pieces that the family buy for each other or themselves or are given for birthdays etc. Some of them end up in the royal collection to save death duties as well.
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:56 PM
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Yes! I was going to mention allergies.
I've never been able to wear rings due to this.


As for William having a say in the ring Harry chooses, I could see it if Harry decided to use a family heirloom.
Charles gave Camilla a ring that had belonged to the Queen Mother, so if Harry did the same, he might need to get permission. Because the current jewels in the royal collection are probably going to end up with William, right?
The article was suggesting that Harry would use a stone from Diana. Possibly even from her emerald choker.

The asking William was because her jewels were left to both sons. So if he wanted to give one to Meghan, it seems likely he would at least talk to his brother. They both own them. Especially if he was to do the choker idea which would mean taking apart a piece.

But not all the jewels will belong to William. Those in the royal collection will pass down to him. Any personal jewels of the queen she can dispose of if she chooses. Any jewels inherited from her mother or grandmother, or gifted by her husband, that are privately owned. They are the queens to dispose of, William has no say.
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Old 06-05-2017, 12:14 AM
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The article was suggesting that Harry would use a stone from Diana. Possibly even from her emerald choker.

The asking William was because her jewels were left to both sons. So if he wanted to give one to Meghan, it seems likely he would at least talk to his brother. They both own them. Especially if he was to do the choker idea which would mean taking apart a piece.

But not all the jewels will belong to William. Those in the royal collection will pass down to him. Any personal jewels of the queen she can dispose of if she chooses. Any jewels inherited from her mother or grandmother, or gifted by her husband, that are privately owned. They are the queens to dispose of, William has no say.
The emerald choker might have reverted to The Crown on Diana's death. I think it was given to Diana at the same time as The Cambridge Lover's Knot tiara.

As for Harry plucking some emerald out of it for a ring, I don't think it is likely. First off, the emeralds are cabochons.... no twinkling there. And they are part of a recognized historic piece of jewelry associated with Diana and Queen Mary. Harry would never mutilate that necklace.

Second, I'm sure that if Harry wants to give Meghan an emerald, he has the financial means to purchase one if there are no emerald loosies hanging about in HM's vaults. I, for one, think that HM has quite a bit of loosies (unset gems) tucked away. Good, faceted loosies, not cabs.

An emerald would be an odd choice, anyway.

I think she gets a diamond. Sapphires are Other Peoples' Story. Emeralds are sort of ...exotic for this? Emerald! The Forbidden Gem! It's the Lambada of British Royal Engagement Ring gems. Ahem ahem wallisAHEM! Ahem...

And no hexed rubies for this second son.

I'm sure it will be a diamond.
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Old 06-05-2017, 02:48 AM
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The emerald choker might have reverted to The Crown on Diana's death. I think it was given to Diana at the same time as The Cambridge Lover's Knot tiara.

As for Harry plucking some emerald out of it for a ring, I don't think it is likely. First off, the emeralds are cabochons.... no twinkling there. And they are part of a recognized historic piece of jewelry associated with Diana and Queen Mary. Harry would never mutilate that necklace.

Second, I'm sure that if Harry wants to give Meghan an emerald, he has the financial means to purchase one if there are no emerald loosies hanging about in HM's vaults. I, for one, think that HM has quite a bit of loosies (unset gems) tucked away. Good, faceted loosies, not cabs.

An emerald would be an odd choice, anyway.

I think she gets a diamond. Sapphires are Other Peoples' Story. Emeralds are sort of ...exotic for this? Emerald! The Forbidden Gem! It's the Lambada of British Royal Engagement Ring gems. Ahem ahem wallisAHEM! Ahem...

And no hexed rubies for this second son.

I'm sure it will be a diamond.


I was simply explaining the authors reasoning behind the whole 'asking Prince William permission'. The article suggested the emerald choker.

Diana got loaned a tiara but she was also gifted a number of pieces. The necklace could very possibly be with her sons.
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:01 AM
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There were not yet THAT many jewels from the late Diana worn by Catherine: the engagement ring, the Lovers Knot Tiara and some Sapphire earrings - not more to my knowledge.
The sapphire and diamond earrings that the Duchess of Cambridge uses are not the ones that Diana had used. There is just a popular misconception about this promoted by the tabloids. The cut of the stones and the settings are very different.
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Old 06-05-2017, 05:20 AM
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Not so sure Harry will go down the same route as William and go for family jewels. They are two very different couples. I think Harry and Meghan will forge their own future and it won't be with a BRF based engagement stone.
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Old 06-05-2017, 06:49 AM
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An emerald would be an odd choice, anyway.

I think she gets a diamond. Sapphires are Other Peoples' Story. Emeralds are sort of ...exotic for this? Emerald! The Forbidden Gem! It's the Lambada of British Royal Engagement Ring gems. Ahem ahem wallisAHEM! Ahem...

And no hexed rubies for this second son.

I'm sure it will be a diamond.

Why would an emerald be an odd choice?

There's a report that an emerald would be Meghan's jewel of choice.

I don't see why it is any odder than a sapphire, ruby, or diamond.

And- hexed rubies? Because Andrew and Fergie didn't work out? That was one instance. The same could be said of sapphires, but William gave one to Kate anyway.
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Old 06-05-2017, 07:25 AM
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I don't know what the mystery is about a royal engagement ring. Diana's and Sarah's were both Garrard catalogue stock which is why everyone knew how much they cost. HM's diamond ring came with a gorgeous bracelet courtesy of Prince Philip's mother's tiara. The Princess Royal had bespoke sapphire and diamonds rings for both engagements (love the second one), Edward went for sheer romance and a bespoke diamond ring for Sophie.

The only "recycled" engagement ring was Diana's which now adorns Catherine's finger and Camilla sports gorgeous dress art deco ring that belonged to The Queen Mother.

So what Harry would choose should he wish to pop the question is anyone's guess, although the BRF seem to have an affinity with sapphires . . . well, there is a question, Bertie presented his love with a fabulous sapphire and diamond engagement ring. She stopped wearing it in later years, replacing it with a honking great pearl surrounded by diamonds. Not nearly as nice IMO.
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Old 06-05-2017, 07:30 AM
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JMO, but I think both Meghan and Harry modern enough (and he far enough from the throne) that the ring will be what Meghan wants. Not that I think her incapable of nodding at tradition in her choice.

That, of course is if and when they get engaged.
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Old 06-05-2017, 09:52 AM
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Will Prince Harry and Meghan make the engagement announcement any time soon?
I think so, but it will be a matter of time before we know. Probably after the summer there is news.
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