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Old 05-30-2017, 02:03 PM
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More likely that cats kill 55 million birds in the UK every year, and we know that the Royals prefer to kill the estate birds themselves.
Oh no, please don't make me laugh. That's too funny, and not so funny at the same time.

Anyway, if cats were kept indoors, they would not be killing birds. People who love cats know how to keep them off the furniture, and they prize their cats' wellbeing more than a material object which they should have enough money to reupholster!

I do have to say that the UK is generally known for treating animals with respect. There are a lot of animal-related humane organizations in Britain.

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I doubt the "aristocracy" cares about Harry's future wife and most of the British aristocracy are pretty decadent themselves anyway...
That's an understatement if there ever was one. Plus, there ain't any aristocratic ladies lining up and chomping at the bit to take on the job of being Prince Harry's wife. There never has been for William or for Harry. So right, no one in the aristocracy cares, but I'm sure many of them want to meet Meghan, and those who have met her are likely charmed by her down-to-earth grace, poise, and her effervescent joie de vivre.

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... nowadays I don't know how the public would react to Harry marrying an American who, in addition to being an outsider, is also from a completely different background compared to other recent and past royal brides. I believe Meghan has the potential to become a popular royal, but that will largely depend on how she handles herself once the engagement is announced and after that.
I think Meghan can and has always 'handled herself' mighty fine. Thank you.

But, Harry and Meghan are the only ones who count in their relationship equation. And they are both 'handling' themselves and each other superlatively (and very jim dandy, from all we've seen and heard so far).
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I'm thinking the 'us and them' is in people's minds as well. The royals take a piss, eat, sleep, breath like every other human in the planet. They have same feelings, doubts, fears etc. IMHO it's extremely weird to think, that just because Harry is royal, he wouldn't be allowed to love and marry a woman he chooses, and wants to be with, only based on flimsy excuses, like 'she's only an actress, she's older, she's mixed race, and American'. And that would be the undoing of the whole royal institution. That to me sounds insane. Meghan is not a criminal, that I would understand. She seems like a very accomplished, charming, smart, talented, passionate and loving woman. But because of flimsy excuses Harry can't marry her, he has to look for a wife from aristocratic background, someone who might be a horrible match for him.
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Old 05-30-2017, 02:59 PM
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I'm thinking the 'us and them' is in people's minds as well. The royals take a piss, eat, sleep, breath like every other human in the planet. They have same feelings, doubts, fears etc. IMHO it's extremely weird to think, that just because Harry is royal, he wouldn't be allowed to love and marry a woman he chooses, and wants to be with, only based on flimsy excuses, like 'she's only an actress, she's older, she's mixed race, and American'. And that would be the undoing of the whole royal institution. That to me sounds insane. Meghan is not a criminal, that I would understand. She seems like a very accomplished, charming, smart, talented, passionate and loving woman. But because of flimsy excuses Harry can't marry her, he has to look for a wife from aristocratic background, someone who might be a horrible match for him.

Although I don't disagree with you, your post above just illustrates how social conventions relating to royalty have changed over the last decades. Up to the Victorian and Edwardian ages, or even a little bit later than that, it was not only "not weird", but actually natural to think that a royal was not allowed to marry whomever he/she chose, and the royals themselves understood and accepted that fact. At most, they had a choice among a short list of potential candidates, but an unequal marriage was generally unacceptable, especially in the case of the heir to the throne. Those rules were then progressively relaxed from marrying other royals only to marrying brides from the aristocracy, and now from the (upper) middle class.
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Old 05-30-2017, 03:41 PM
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Yep and a good thing we are out of those uppity overly restrictive Victorian/Edwardian dark ages of acting one way in public and an entirely different way behind closed doors. Good riddance with stiff-upper-lipped, pearl-clutching, holier-than-thou, snobby attitudes and faux man-made separations between human beings.

What matters most these days is character, upbringing, behavior toward others, education, and accomplishments in life. In all of these areas, Rachel Meghan Markle excels, much more than the majority of us posting on here, I'm sure. And even moreso most likely than some of the uppercrust members of the aristocracy too, particularly in the aspects of her character, education and accomplishments!

Good riddance too to the harmful practice of aristocratic in-breeding and sheltering young royals within the confines of palace walls! That only saddled the royal family with dull, decadent wastrels and wimpy, whoring self-preoccupied playboys, as well as a few oddball good souls hampered by difficulties that included stuttering, inbred diseases (hemophilia; porphyria), and lack of a close bond with their royal parents. No?
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Old 05-30-2017, 04:10 PM
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To lighten things up a little bit and get back to discussing the relationship itself, I'm wondering something. Will Meghan ask Harry to sign a prenup should they get engaged? (silly giggles)
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Old 05-30-2017, 04:12 PM
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In days gone by the need to make a politically advantageous match led to some loveless marriages between incompatible couples. Which in turn led to mistresses and the sometimes recognition of their offspring.
To wit: James II had 2 illegitimate sons made into Dukes (Berwick & Albermarle,) Charles II had 3 illegitimate sons made into Dukes (Monmouth, Richmand, St. Albans) and 1 an Earl (Munster,) William 4 had an illegitimate son made an Earl, etc..
So the solution before was to ennoble the offspring of these liaisons by granting them titles or by arranging for the female offspring to marry into the aristocracy. The solution now is to simply allow the royal to chose their own partner.
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Old 05-30-2017, 04:17 PM
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Yep and a good thing we are out of those uppity overly restrictive Victorian/Edwardian dark ages of acting one way in public and an entirely different way behind closed doors. Good riddance with stiff-upper-lipped, pearl-clutching, holier-than-thou, snobby attitudes and faux man-made separations between human beings.

What matters most these days is character, upbringing, behavior toward others, education, and accomplishments in life. In all of these areas, Rachel Meghan Markle excels, much more than the majority of us posting on here, I'm sure.
And even moreso most likely than some of the uppercrust members of the aristocracy too, particularly in the aspects of her character, education and accomplishments!

Good riddance too to the harmful practice of aristocratic in-breeding and sheltering young royals within the confines of palace walls! That only saddled the royal family with dull, decadent wastrels and wimpy, whoring self-preoccupied playboys, as well as a few oddball good souls hampered by disabilities that included stuttering, inbred diseases, and lack of a human bond with their royal parents. No?


Oh boy. The St. Meghan narrative is a bit much for me..
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Old 05-30-2017, 04:37 PM
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I don't agree that marrying Meghan means Harry should leave his position in the RF or become a reality TV star. What made you come to that conclusion?

I think it would be a big adjustment for Meghan, but I think she would entering it with eyes wide open. As you mentioned Sophie and Kate, have entered The Firm fairly well. Neither one of them has the correct "background", but I do think it helped that they both are from the UK. That will be another obstacle for Meghan, but again, I don't think it is insurmountable.
This was actually somewhat my point a bit back, and in several posts. When someone mentioned that Meghan would have to 'keep her mouth shut' if she married into the BRF, right there I saw trouble brewing. I made some comparison to being a 'good little wifey' (when it was suggested that she would always have to defer to Harry) and it got taken wrong and blown out of proportion but I will try again.

I truly do not think being a princess or duchess is that compelling a reason to give up one's freedom to think and say what one feels is necessary to be said and done in this current world of many wrongs and injustice. As currently configured with the social expectations visited upon the BRF members, I think it is unlikely any modern woman would be willing to divest of those liberties for the sake of being 'royal'. It's just not worth it imo.

In terms of who Meghan is in her soul as an American and a woman of color, I hope she never agrees to be the 'good little wifey' saying naught except what is 'in support' of her husband and the monarchy. Talk about a backward journey! She is not British. She would not have a naturally inclined British patriotism as do Camilla, Kate, and Sophie.

BTW I doubt they are engaged at this juncture. It's so unlikely. Could be wrong but there is so much Meghan needs to see, experience and understand regarding Harry and his family (and by extension the British public) to be anywhere close to that kind of life change. For someone like Meghan I don't think marriage to Harry (unless she genuinely falls deeply and truly in love with him) is the brass ring of rings for her. I hope she stays with 'Suits' for their 8th season and lets the relationship run a normal course before making that leap. Too important a decision to go at it fast and loose. JMO.
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Old 05-30-2017, 04:47 PM
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I wonder if she would have to give up acting? It would be really tough for me to give up the job I love because of who I married.
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She would have to since her full time job would be charity work and I am certain that wouldn't do well if she were to do a part where she would be making out with a guy or wearing provocative clothing.
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Old 05-30-2017, 05:21 PM
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I think one of the most important parts of Meghan's becoming a Duchess and a princess and a member of the working "Firm" is that she'll need to remember each and every time she steps out the door whether its with Harry, on a solo engagement or just out shopping with friends is that one thing that the Firm does is represent *all* of the British people and it would be very unwise to stand up and speak out on issues that have the tendency to divide the people. Those issues are for the government politicians to hash out.

This wouldn't mean that should she marry Harry that she would have to be the "good little wifey" and not have opinions or think for herself but, as it is also with Harry, avoid issues and causes that have people for or against it. You'll notice that the majority of what the British royal family does is geared to things that will not divide the people and label them as "pro this" or "anti that" but the good they do benefits all the people they're standing up for. I seriously doubt that there are many people out there that anti support for wounded service personnel or anti mental health awareness. These are just examples.

Its more or less falling in line with the aims of the "Firm" and how they wish to handle issues.

It would also be impossible for her to carry on a personal career or any kind too because basically, if and when she marries Harry, she's signing on for a relentless full time job for the rest of her natural life with no retirement, no pension and always and ever in the public fishbowl being gawked at, analyzed, dissected and discussed till the cows come home each time she steps out the door.

I would imagine that one would have to be very much in love with a person to sign on for all this in their lives but then again, sometimes love does conquer all and makes things so much easier working as a team.
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Old 05-30-2017, 05:37 PM
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I think her acting training and experience will help her tremendously. Things like public speaking, moving gracefully, what to do with your hands, even maintaining the proper facial expression during a solemn occasion can be a challenge.

I think Harry is destined for Highgrove, and will wind up leasing it from the Duchy. When William is in that part of the country, he seems to like being at Bucklebury. Harry will also be a few minutes away from the Phillips and Tindall families, which would suit him.

Or ... now this is just terrible of me, but when Charles inherits, he might pack Andrew & Co. off to Verbier for good and install Harry at Royal Lodge.

*cowers, awaiting brickbats*
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Old 05-30-2017, 05:49 PM
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I think her acting training and experience will help her tremendously. Things like public speaking, moving gracefully, what to do with your hands, even maintaining the proper facial expression during a solemn occasion can be a challenge.

I think Harry is destined for Highgrove, and will wind up leasing it from the Duchy. When William is in that part of the country, he seems to like being at Bucklebury. Harry will also be a few minutes away from the Phillips and Tindall families, which would suit him.

Or ... now this is just terrible of me, but when Charles inherits, he might pack Andrew & Co. off to Verbier for good and install Harry at Royal Lodge.

*cowers, awaiting brickbats*
If I'm not mistaken, when Andrew moved into Royal Lodge, He spent millions refurbishing the Queen Anne property and was granted a lifetime, rent-free lease in return by the Crown estate, which was nice for him. I don't think Charles as king or not could "evict" him to anywhere with this in place as its not his to decide who lives there.

source: http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-lies-in-ruins

As for Highgrove, it wouldn't surprise me if eventually when Charles does become King, the property is maintained by the Duchy of Cornwall with it being opened to the public for tours through the various gardens. Just a thought.
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Old 05-30-2017, 06:55 PM
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I think her acting training and experience will help her tremendously. Things like public speaking, moving gracefully, what to do with your hands, even maintaining the proper facial expression during a solemn occasion can be a challenge.

I think Harry is destined for Highgrove, and will wind up leasing it from the Duchy. When William is in that part of the country, he seems to like being at Bucklebury. Harry will also be a few minutes away from the Phillips and Tindall families, which would suit him.

Or ... now this is just terrible of me, but when Charles inherits, he might pack Andrew & Co. off to Verbier for good and install Harry at Royal Lodge.

*cowers, awaiting brickbats*
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Old 05-30-2017, 06:58 PM
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I think her acting training and experience will help her tremendously. Things like public speaking, moving gracefully, what to do with your hands, even maintaining the proper facial expression during a solemn occasion can be a challenge.

I think Harry is destined for Highgrove, and will wind up leasing it from the Duchy. When William is in that part of the country, he seems to like being at Bucklebury. Harry will also be a few minutes away from the Phillips and Tindall families, which would suit him.

Or ... now this is just terrible of me, but when Charles inherits, he might pack Andrew & Co. off to Verbier for good and install Harry at Royal Lodge.

*cowers, awaiting brickbats*
I think Royal Lodge was given to Prince Andrew by his late grandmother Queen Elizabeth in her will. It belongs to Andrew alone, not to the Crown and not the PoW?
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Royal Lodge is part of the Crown Estate and Andrew has a lifetime rent-free lease as I've said earlier.

Where Harry and his family end up is anybody's guess right now. Suffice to say, his place at Nottingham Cottage at Kensington Palace seems to suit him just fine. For now.

Someone asked how old of a dog is Lupo. If I remember right, William and Kate got Lupo not long after they were married and before George was born so my guess would be that Lupo is around 4 or 5 years old now? Approximately. Maybe a bit older. Maybe this is in the wrong thread? Think I need some coffee. :)

Speaking of dogs, I think if Harry and Meghan do marry, they'll most likely already be a family of four if Meghan brings her two dogs with her over to the UK. Lucky dogs.
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:23 PM
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^^ Yes thanks, Osipi! I asked about Lupo in the other thread where they were discussing the new candid photos of William and his family, and the British GQ interview with William where he said, "I want George [and Charlotte] to grow up in a real, living environment, I don't want [them] growing up behind palace walls ... The media make it harder but I will fight for them to have a normal life." Prince William's comment is relevant to some of what's been discussed here.

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Oh boy. The St. Meghan narrative is a bit much for me..
Oh sweet Lord, Meghan is far from saintly, I'm sure. Anyway, what's your favorite Meghan narrative?

Generalizations, accusations, and exaggerations of all kinds are off-base. Forgive me, I didn't mean to imply that everyone here may not be better educated, more attractive, more sophisticated, more stylish, or kinder, or a better cook, or a more accomplished humanitarian than Meghan Markle.

I just feel that Meghan has been fortunate to have two parents who love her and who have encouraged and supported her to be herself. From what I can see, and from what Meghan has revealed about growing up, both of her parents gave her the wings to fly. I think she's lucky in that way. But still, she's the one who built upon the gifts her parents gave her. I doubt that Meghan had a perfect life growing up, but it seems she had a lot of love and parents who did everything they could together to nurture her (despite their divorce). From all I've seen and read, Meghan seems to be a very positive, confident, upbeat person who gives thanks for her blessings. She seems to have drive, passion and purpose. I see nothing wrong with aspiring to live well, to enjoy life, to make good money and to be self-reliant, especially when you also have a social conscious and a genuine desire to give back.

Regardless of Meghan's level of expertise as an actor, she is a competent, successful actor. It is definitely not easy to land a well-paying role in a popular tv series, to show up for work everyday and to know your lines and hit your marks. It took gumption and hard work for Meghan to even get to the point where she landed the role in Suits.
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Royal Lodge is part of the Crown Estate and Andrew has a lifetime rent-free lease as I've said earlier.

Where Harry and his family end up is anybody's guess right now. Suffice to say, his place at Nottingham Cottage at Kensington Palace seems to suit him just fine. For now.

Someone asked how old of a dog is Lupo. If I remember right, William and Kate got Lupo not long after they were married and before George was born so my guess would be that Lupo is around 4 or 5 years old now? Approximately. Maybe a bit older. Maybe this is in the wrong thread? Think I need some coffee. :)

Speaking of dogs, I think if Harry and Meghan do marry, they'll most likely already be a family of four if Meghan brings her two dogs with her over to the UK. Lucky dogs.
Ok thanks Osipi. I thought sure I read that RL was willed to the Duke of York by the Queen Mum, just as she had left Clarence House to Prince Charles as well as some Scottish properties.(the Castle of Mey)

Lupo was given Prince William by his mother-in-law Carole as a gift during his first married married Christmas, which would have been Christmas 2011. Lupo is from the Middleton stud and he is an adorable doggie, now approaching his 6th birthday which means he is into a comfortable middle age in canine years.
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Ok thanks Osipi. I thought sure I read that RL was willed to the Duke of York by the Queen Mum, just as she had left Clarence House to Prince Charles as well as some Scottish properties.(the Castle of Mey)

Lupo was given Prince William by his mother-in-law Carole as a gift during his first married married Christmas, which would have been Christmas 2011. Lupo is from the Middleton stud and he is an adorable doggie, now approaching his 6th birthday which means he is into a comfortable middle age in canine years.
Interesting. I've always heard it was James Middleton that gave the gift to the couple as Lupo's mother Ella is James' dog.
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I think for most people the illusion of the Monarchy was well & truly broken after Charles & Diana, and all the other shenanigans that happened during this period. Britain is also a different country & the days of Rule Britannia are long gone.

I think the media more than anything has contributed to how people now view the royals. There was a period in time when the media could not report on the personal lives of royals or famous figures, but this is no longer the case. Now does this mean this current crop of royals are worse than previous generations? The answer is no. Royal history is filled with dubious characters & shameful secrets. The only difference is the public are now told all their sordid details.

Given all we know about royal history it's laughable that some people would think a man who is currently 5th in line to the throne will bring about its downfall simply because he is dating a tv actress!

Those who suggest Harry should give up his place because he is dating Meghan I find this hard to digest. This is the same guy who wore a nazi uniform, smoked cannabis, made racial slurs & was caught frolicking naked in las Vegas. When Harry was getting up to no good no one suggested he ought to give up his place. But the minute he starts dating a biracial tv actress all of a sudden he has crossed the line & the opinions of him by some has now changed. If Harry dating an actress was the game changer for you & not his other indiscretions, then this says more about your own morals & what you are willing to overlook & tolerate.

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There MUST be that line that separates us from them, otherwise, what would be the point of the Monarchy?

Harry, in his desire to live a normal life like we ourselves live, is, I think, blurring it too much. That video of him and the Queen last year...was a little too...common...a little too low-class for me. Just MO.

This is an average actress, a woman who has already voiced her views in typical modern Hollywood ways..

Catherine may have been born middle class, or upper middle class, but her breeding and the way she carries herself allowed her like the Countess of Wessex to transfer to the other side and become one of them.

This woman, I am sorry, my gut tells me no. It is too Hollywood, too blurring the lines between "us" and "them".

Harry needs to remember at the end of the day whether he likes it or not he is a Prince of the House of Windsor. He does not, maybe sadly, have the choices and the ability to live like a "normal" person, like we do.

If you keep blurring the lines, then what becomes the point of having them at all?

Maybe if he marries her he should just leave the The Firm, ask Andy Cohen for a reality show then and then he can have that normal life he seems to crave.

I give him tremendous respect for his compassion, for his charities, for his desire to talk about mental health, his HIV tests, he and William are wonderful representations of their mother on Earth .
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