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Old 05-24-2017, 11:44 AM
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Why would Meghan and Harry care about a "media frenzy" over their attending Pippa's wedding together and not care the week before when Meghan unexpectedly showed up at a polo match the week prior and stood at the front of the railing for the spectators and then she showed up the next day and she and Harry kissed in an open area?

The media frenzy is happening in the newsrooms (if those even exists anymore) than out on the street. Meghan is not being chased down the street like what happened to Diana numerous times and happened to Kate on her 25th birthday. This wedding was on private property and my understanding is that there were only a few reporters and photographers allowed to cover the event. I can't imagine that an actress who has gone to industry events and given a speech before the Secretary General of the United Nations can't handle walking across a church green.
Because a kiss at a polo match is significant in that it's a semi formal event, but going to a wedding together is on a different level for the media. Particularly because they like to point out the only wedding William and Kate arrived together is one after they were engaged, but before it is announced. Polo doesn't have that problem, and it's not someone's special day. BTW, the ceremony wasn't entirely on a private property. That's why there were spectators and media there. There was an old law that makes it non private. The Middleton estate, which the reception was held on, was on private property, which is why we only have that grainy photo of them arriving.
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:07 PM
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I'm not seeing how Meghan not going so that the press wouldn't be all over her is ridiculous? Have you seen the media frenzy before the wedding? The engagement speculations? If she had gone, and they had gotten a picture of her and Harry near each other at the wedding, that'd be the front page the next day with speculation about a possible engagement and Pippa would be an after thought. It's one thing if Kate takes the cover over her own sister, it's another when it's Meghan and Harry. Then you also have the who had better style, the bum wars, etc. Don't think they aren't concerned about the press coverage. If they weren't Pippa wouldn't have hired a PR firm, and Kensington Palace wouldn't have helped organize the media exposure.
Several posters on the Pippa wedding thread stated that Pippa and the Middletons wanted nothing to do with the press - just a quiet, family affair. My point was if that is the case, then why would MM or anyone 'stealing' the spotlight matter, when supposedly Pippa wanted nothing to do with said spotlight. Of course we know that the hiring of a PR firm to keep the wedding in the news is not the action of someone who wants nothing to do with media attention. Pippa would have been very aware that MM would have garnered press attention, so that is one reason I do not think MM was invited to the wedding. But, only a guess on my part. The very thought of being famous practically makes me break out in hives, so stealing the stealing of spotlights & hiring PR firms to keep one's wedding in the news are foreign concepts to me.

The whole wanting to manage the narrative around her sounds ridiculous to me. What narrative? They're a couple; we all know this. If MM wants to marry into the BRF, and I believe she does, she & Harry must realize that the media intrusion will only get worse before it gets better. She looked mighty comfortable with the attention in the clip I saw of her arriving in London for the wedding, so I think it is Harry with the reservations in regards to the media. If he were willing, I think MM would be front & center whenever possible, and probably have hired her own PR firms. I don't blame Harry for his feelings about the press - they can be beyond intrusive and I would hate to have to live that way - but I also think he should know by now that they are not going to be left alone until seeing them together is not a novelty. And if he thinks he is protecting MM, I think she is OK with the attention.
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:11 PM
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Let's think of it this way. The media went into overdrive before, during and after the wedding day. Lots of words were written of what may have been.

For a sensationally hyped up social event and the primary people attending, the media itself got very little as far as coverage. We did get photographs outside of the church and some other photos that really aren't worth writing home about. That is it. Not one person talked to the media. We saw people walking to the church. We saw the bride and groom and their family and friends for a short period after the ceremony. Basically, that's the *only* factual information we have about the entire day.

One thing does ring true. It was a private wedding day and the media was left with very little to write about. If they had to stick to actual "facts", the articles would have been very repetitious and consist of maybe one or two paragraphs. Now, three days later, they're still writing oodles of noodles of text. Not reporting but feeding the hungry masses that want to "know" every little detail they weren't privvy to in the first place.

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Several posters on the Pippa wedding thread stated that Pippa and the Middletons wanted nothing to do with the press - just a quiet, family affair. My point was if that is the case, then why would MM or anyone 'stealing' the spotlight matter, when supposedly Pippa wanted nothing to do with said spotlight. Of course we know that the hiring of a PR firm to keep the wedding in the news is not the action of someone who wants nothing to do with media attention. Pippa would have been very aware that MM would have garnered press attention, so that is one reason I do not think MM was invited to the wedding. But, only a guess on my part. The very thought of being famous practically makes me break out in hives, so stealing the stealing of spotlights & hiring PR firms to keep one's wedding in the news are foreign concepts to me.
Ever think that all those "reports" didn't come from credible sources? Actually, the only real credible source pre-wedding was the press release from Kensington Palace that Prince George and Princess Charlotte would be in the wedding party.

I just checked and the first place to announce that Pippa hired a PR firm was (drumroll) The Fail. Other publications picked up the story and ran with it afterwards. Yeps.. that's the ticket. If it was in the Fail, its credible.
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:17 PM
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Several posters on the Pippa wedding thread stated that Pippa and the Middletons wanted nothing to do with the press - just a quiet, family affair. My point was if that is the case, then why would MM or anyone 'stealing' the spotlight matter, when supposedly Pippa wanted nothing to do with said spotlight. Of course we know that the hiring of a PR firm to keep the wedding in the news is not the action of someone who wants nothing to do with media attention. Pippa would have been very aware that MM would have garnered press attention, so that is one reason I do not think MM was invited to the wedding. But, only a guess on my part. The very thought of being famous practically makes me break out in hives, so stealing the stealing of spotlights & hiring PR firms to keep one's wedding in the news are foreign concepts to me.

The whole wanting to manage the narrative around her sounds ridiculous to me. What narrative? They're a couple; we all know this. If MM wants to marry into the BRF, and I believe she does, she & Harry must realize that the media intrusion will only get worse before it gets better. She looked mighty comfortable with the attention in the clip I saw of her arriving in London for the wedding, so I think it is Harry with the reservations in regards to the media. If he were willing, I think MM would be front & center whenever possible, and probably have hired her own PR firms. I don't blame Harry for his feelings about the press - they can be beyond intrusive and I would hate to have to live that way - but I also think he should know by now that they are not going to be left alone until seeing them together is not a novelty. And if he thinks he is protecting MM, I think she is OK with the attention.
To say that Pippa or the Middletons don't care about the media narrative is just odd. Kate will be Queen one day, and the royal family definitely does care about the narrative in the press. They know that the press has its benefits in promoting their issues, but they also are irritated (rightfully so) at the intrusiveness of the press. So by the extension, the Middletons will care about what the press say, at least for Kate's sake. They are part of that image by extension.

Also to say Meghan would be happy to be front and center if it weren't for Harry's wariness of it is just plain unfair. The woman has gone above and beyond to avoid the press at her own expense, no less. Not only is she shying away from promotion work for her show, she's had to terminate business arrangements to accommodate this. I'm not sure how much she would have to do for others not to call her media whore in different ways.
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:24 PM
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Because the polo match and other events weren't someone else's event and special day. There's a difference between disruptive media focus on someone else's wedding and it on a polo game or other public event.
Yes. The polo match was also an event where other celebrities were seeking out and posing for photographers. Given the context, Meghan gave the cameras very little there.

There's a sort of dance than anyone in public must do with the press. If you dole out the photo opportunities with a certain frequency, you can slightly ease how intrusive they'll be tempted to be in the times between those photo ops, but giving them a chance to see you never works to lessen the intensity of coverage. The market -- the interest of people like us who visit sites and/or buy tabloids -- is the only driver of that. If Harry and Meghan were to start living a little more openly, that wouldn't make their experience with the paparazzi even a bit easier as long as the public is interested in the photos. And frustratingly, if the market has an appetite for the pictures, and if a person has allowed a certain kind of picture in the past, the paps will feel a great deal of entitlement to always and forever be "allowed" to aggressively pursue the same sort of photo again.

That's why I think these two are judiciously phasing in what sort of photo op they opt into. They're not going to be seen together at an event in a manner that clearly inviting photos until they're ready to have that happen all the time. They know that can't be a one-off that they retreat from. Once it starts, that's it. That's the level of cooperation with the press that will be expected of them from that point forward, and any pulling back would be used as rationalization for the paps to get even more aggressive than they are now with the long lenses and such.

They've got an advantage in distance; the paps in Toronto are much less aggressive than those in the UK, and when she's visiting him she's able to be within the bubble of his protection unit, so it's never really possible for the London paps to rush her the way they did Kate or Diana.
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:24 PM
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Hi jacqui24,

I absolutely respect yours & everyone else's opinions. We can agree to disagree

My opinion is that MM has made these changes in her public life due to an understanding that that is what would be expected of her as a member of the BRF. Otherwise, it does not seem prudent of her to do so. If she & Harry end their relationship, his public life will go on as usual, but she will have to rebuild these partnerships &/or form new ones.

Hiring a PR firm for an in-law's wedding is over the top to me. The press would maybe have been interested in a couple of pics of W+K and the kids but that would be about it if left to their own devices. Again, my opinion.
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:52 PM
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Several posters on the Pippa wedding thread stated that Pippa and the Middletons wanted nothing to do with the press - just a quiet, family affair. My point was if that is the case, then why would MM or anyone 'stealing' the spotlight matter, when supposedly Pippa wanted nothing to do with said spotlight. Of course we know that the hiring of a PR firm to keep the wedding in the news is not the action of someone who wants nothing to do with media attention. Pippa would have been very aware that MM would have garnered press attention, so that is one reason I do not think MM was invited to the wedding. But, only a guess on my part. The very thought of being famous practically makes me break out in hives, so stealing the stealing of spotlights & hiring PR firms to keep one's wedding in the news are foreign concepts to me.
Someone pointed out earlier that a PR firm doesn't only get people into the news, they also keeps people out of the news and manage the press. So someone who wants to keep the crazy stories, that they know will appear, to a minimum would also hire a PR firm.
Whether Meghan was invited to the ceremony or not, I don't think Pippa cared about being "overshadowed" but I think everyone involved wanted to keep the absurd, hysterical stories to a minimum.
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:58 PM
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Hiring a PR firm for an in-law's wedding is over the top to me. The press would maybe have been interested in a couple of pics of W+K and the kids but that would be about it if left to their own devices. Again, my opinion.
Do we know what all the PR folks did for Pippa and James? PR folks can be used to invite attention, or they can be used to control/limit press access.

They had to have one in order to successfully keep press corralled into a designated spot on the wedding day. In that case, the PR folks communicate the limitations in advance and police them on the day. They needed someone to handle requests for interviews, photos, details, etc., if only to be on retainer to keep repeating "nope, we're not sharing any of that" or else the family would have had to keep up the "no comment" patrol themselves. And a good PR person can be key to anticipating all the ways photographers might try to find a position for unauthorized pictures and develop a strategy for preventing that. That we're seeing absolutely nothing of the reception tells us that they used their PR people in that capacity.

Did we see advance cooperation with the press of a sort that would indicate that they also used the PR folks to generate interest? If so, I've missed it. The idea that people wouldn't have been interested in the wedding other than William and Kate is laughable to me. Whether or not she deserves it, Pippa gets attention all on her own anymore.

And of course part of that is because Pippa has certainly had periods of courting the press, often with little sophistication to her approach. Her attempts to spin her notoriety into paying gigs were clumsy at best. If anything, her ups and downs in the public sphere are probably one of the case studies that Harry and Meghan are able to learn from as they try to control things better than she has through the years.
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Old 05-24-2017, 01:17 PM
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Regarding taking attention away from the bride and groom, as others have pointed out there are multiple aspects that makes one's wedding day memorable and joyous. Pippa (and Kate) have been that girl who attended a society wedding and the media coverage led with pictures of Pippa (or Kate) and then further down was the picture of the bride and groom. I am not sure it would have played out that way but if Pippa invited Meghan then she of all people would have been prepared for that.

The property where the wedding ceremony was held was private enough that not just any reporter or photographer could show up, they had to be granted access. Also, not sure if it is true or not but I read that the only members of the public who could come on the property had to be local residents and they were issued wristbands. The main point I was making about it being private property was to note that it was a highly controlled environment. Neither Meghan nor anyone else had to worry that Arthur Edwards and crew were going to hop over the barrier and breach their personal space or yell crude remarks to get a reaction.

I think that if Harry and Meghan remain a couple they will get substantial media coverage for the next 10-15 years but barring any major scandal each story / incident will run it course. Yes Meghan walking in with or without Harry would have gotten extensive coverage and analysis about fashion, how Meghan fits in with Harry's friends and family and what it signifies about their relationship because it generates clicks, but I don't see where it would have been much beyond what we already have seen about the couple when the letter came out, when Harry visited Meghan after the Caribbean tour, when Meghan attended the wedding in Jamaica, when Meghan closed down her blog, when Meghan ended her relationship with Reitmans, when Meghan showed up at the polo match, etc.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying that Meghan's presence at Pippa's wedding would not have gone beyond what has gone on before but IMO not to such a great degree that Harry and Meghan would decide to park Meghan in a hotel room for a few hours rather than attend an event that she was invited to. Is it really prudent to try to control or outfox the tabloid media? I definitely understand trying to control that element of the media who will pounce on you when you walk out the door or bug your phone but I think that it is very foolish to try to control the media from writing goofy stories about battle of the bums or X outshines Y at the wedding of the year. Just show up and walk across the grass and let the chips fall where they may because if an attractive and charismatic royal would like to marry and have a family and meets the woman of his dreams, and a woman falls in love with and wants to marry that attractive and charismatic royal and join his family business, there is no way that they are going to be able to control the intrusive and silly tabloid media other than by getting older and/or less attractive whilst having the younger generation come of age which will trigger the tabloid media inflicting their silliness and profit motives on them.
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Old 05-24-2017, 01:18 PM
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Someone pointed out earlier that a PR firm doesn't only get people into the news, they also keeps people out of the news and manage the press. So someone who wants to keep the crazy stories, that they know will appear, to a minimum would also hire a PR firm.
Whether Meghan was invited to the ceremony or not, I don't think Pippa cared about being "overshadowed" but I think everyone involved wanted to keep the absurd, hysterical stories to a minimum.
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Do we know what all the PR folks did for Pippa and James? PR folks can be used to invite attention, or they can be used to control/limit press access.
Ahh, makes sense. Thanks! Clearly I am not in PR.

I was wondering why there were so many incorrect stories if the involved parties were supposedly feeding them info. The fact that the press prints whatever they want as 'speculation' and 'maybes' is horrid. And yes I was using Pippa's former courting of the media as my guide.

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Regarding taking attention away from others, as others have pointed out there are multiple aspects to someone's wedding day. Pippa (and Kate) have been that girl who attended a society wedding and the media coverage led with pictures of Pippa (or Kate) and then further down was the picture of the bride and groom. I am not sure it would have played out that way but if Pippa invited Meghan then she of all people would have been prepared for that.

The property where the wedding ceremony was held was private enough that not just any reporter or photographer could show up, they had to be granted access. Also, not sure if it is true or not but I read that the only members of the public who could come on the property had to be local residents and they were issued wrist bands. The main point I was making about it being private property was to note that it was a highly controlled environment. Neither Meghan nor anyone else had to worry that Arthur Edwards and crew were going to hop over the barrier and breech their personal space or yell crude remarks to get a reaction.

I think that everything that Harry and Meghan do (for the next 10-15 years if they remain a couple) is going to get media coverage and each store and incident will run it course. Yes Meghan walking in with or without Harry would have gotten extensive coverage and analysis about fashion, how Meghan's fit in with Harry's friends and family and what it signifies about their relationship because it generates clicks, but I don't see where it would have been much beyond what we already have seen about the couple when the letter came out, when Harry visited Meghan after the Caribbean tour, when Meghan attended the wedding in Jamaica, when Meghan closed down her blog, when Meghan ended her relationship with Reitman's, when Meghan showed up at the polo match, etc.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying that Meghan's presence at Pippa's wedding would not have gone beyond what has gone on before but IMO not to such a great degree that Harry and Meghan would decide to park Meghan in a hotel room for a few hours rather than attend an event that she was invited to. Is it really prudent to try to control or outfox the tabloid media? I definitely understand trying to control that element of the media who will pounce on you when you walk out the door or bug your phone but I think that it is very foolish to try to control the media from writing goofy stories about battle of the bums or X outshines Y at the wedding of the year. Just show up and walk across the grass and let the chips fall where they may because if an attractive and charismatic royal would like to marry and have a family, and a woman falls in love and wants to marry that attractive and charismatic royal and join the family business, there is no way that they are going to be able to control the intrusive and silly tabloid media other than by getting older and/or less attractive and having the younger generation come of age which will trigger the tabloid media inflicting their silliness and profit motives on them.
Agree completely. I do not approve of how the media acts sometimes, but this will be MM's reality if she marries into the BRF. IMO the sooner one gets used to it the better.
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Hi jacqui24,

I absolutely respect yours & everyone else's opinions. We can agree to disagree

My opinion is that MM has made these changes in her public life due to an understanding that that is what would be expected of her as a member of the BRF. Otherwise, it does not seem prudent of her to do so. If she & Harry end their relationship, his public life will go on as usual, but she will have to rebuild these partnerships &/or form new ones.

Hiring a PR firm for an in-law's wedding is over the top to me. The press would maybe have been interested in a couple of pics of W+K and the kids but that would be about it if left to their own devices. Again, my opinion.
Just to clarify, the Middletons hiring a PR firm for this came from Richard Palmer's comment on his twitter. I'm assuming since he's following this as part of his job, he knows some of the logistics and this is information we could trust.
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Old 05-24-2017, 01:33 PM
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Just to clarify, the Middletons hiring a PR firm for this came from Richard Palmer's comment on his twitter. I'm assuming since he's following this as part of his job, he knows some of the logistics and this is information we could trust.
Richard Palmer works for the Daily Express. A tabloid.
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IMO if Pippa said to Harry 'sure, bring the girlfriend' she said it across the board, because Pippa is cool and Harry would have wanted to present that kind of largesse towards Meghan. But I also think both Harry and Meghan would have been considerate of space issues, because who wouldn't be?

For Meghan, however, I think this wedding was a bit different than the other she attended. This was a small family connected wedding, with royalty attending (as family). It was a situation where her presence in the church could have telegraphed certainty (for some) that Meghan and Harry are headed down the aisle themselves.

(I think one can too easily read more into the blog cessation and even the advertising cessation than is warranted. Meghan can easily re-mount those enterprises bigger and better than before. The hiatus will actually work to her advantage, but in the short term they were likely a hassle, especially the advertising which could have compromised her private life in this instance. We already know the blog was causing problems).

That Meghan demurred from attending the church (if she did, and I think she did, upon advice from her 'whoever' who have an eye for these things) says to me that Harry and Meghan are not close to being engaged. They have a ways to go yet. They are a serious couple but not quite that serious, yet. Meghan not being at the church suggests that to me.

Could be wrong, of course. Won't be the first time.
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Ahh, makes sense. Thanks! Clearly I am not in PR.

I was wondering why there were so many incorrect stories if the involved parties were supposedly feeding them info. The fact that the press prints whatever they want as 'speculation' and 'maybes' is horrid. And yes I was using Pippa's former courting of the media as my guide.

It's a logical assumption.

But if Pippa wanted her wedding publicized, she'd have accepted that name-your-price deal from HELLO, People, or one of the other mags.
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Richard Palmer works for the Daily Express. A tabloid.
Sunday Express, closely related to Daily Express, actually broke the story of Meghan and Harry. Generally Richard Palmer is regarded as reliable.
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Just wondering, but is there anyone in here who thinks that this time Harry hit the jackpot? The media always tries to make out that these girls are oh so lucky to be dating a Prince, but with Meghan I feel she has herself together so muh that Harry is the one who lucked out.
I think he hit the jackpot.

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What I seem to notice is that his relationship with Meghan is not particularly popular among the British public.
Where have you gotten the impression that it is not popular? I'm just interested.

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I agree up to a point. I think the media scrutiny and obsession also contributed. I don't think anyone back then expected anything like the media storm that occurred. Now, that kind of intrusion is known and expected, but then not so much, if at all.

And, I think knowing what may happen and actually experiencing it is a totally different thing. Meghan, IMHO, has only experienced a small amount of what will await her if she marries Harry.
Also, Charles was not in love with Diana and they barely dated.
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Also, Charles was not in love with Diana and they barely dated.
Huh? It seems you entered your comment in the wrong thread. This is about Harry and and his relationships, not his parents. Or maybe you mean to add more to your sentence to relate it to the discussion>
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I was hoping in the run up to the wedding that Meghan might have been invited to the wedding part of the events on Pippa's wedding day, even though I recognised the problems about space in the church etc. However, Meghan didn't know the bride or groom, and so it was logical I guess that she would have been invited to the evening party rather than any other.

I do not believe that the couple had a suite at Englefield House however, simply because of the photos we saw of Harry driving away from the house in shirt sleeves earlier that day. It wouldn't make sense if he was staying there. So I believe now that Meghan was probably at KP and he did go and collect her. If she had been ensconced at a nearby hotel a staff member would have given an anonymous tip off to the Press that this had happened, IMO.

The consequence of no photos at the party however has caused those who are anti MM on Tumblrs to gain heart, inferring that Meghan wasn't at any of the celebrations, that this is a showmance and the grainy photo has been photoshopped. Some people refuse to face facts!

As far as Pippa's PR rep is concerned I did note that Richard Palmer was disgruntled by it. On his Twitter Page he called the PR woman 'unhelpful' and wondered about her 'showbiz' background. He inferred that getting any info out of her, even innocuous stuff, was like pulling teeth, that the Press only received the two page programme naming bridesmaids etc, (which we have seen) and other questions went unanswered. Therefore it looks as if she was hired to keep the media and any other pesky questioners at bay!
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The most important thing is that Harry and Meghan got a chance to enjoy the festivities and mingle with the family and all the other guest. We should be happy for them.

As I said before, it's going to be less of a burden when this couple become more comfortable being out and about as a couple. The media interest won't be as intense because they will get used to seeing the couple. Right now everything is so...HOT! Same Cambridge cat & mouse game is being played.
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