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Old 04-20-2017, 11:20 PM
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Jews don't have the concept of baptism. Ones faith you are born with.

Conservative and Orthodox Jews are matriarchal. You take your religion from your mother. It doesn't matter if your father is gentile. Reform Judaism is different, they are patriarchal. So a child takes it from their father.

If her father is orthodox or conservative, there is a slim chance she is Jewish. Meghan would have had to be converted. They do this with people of all ages, including babies.


I do think Meghan will convert to Anglican if they wed. Even if there is little chance they'd ever see the throne. Religion is central to the family. They attend church as an unit. Even if she doesn't convert fully, I assume she will at least take classes to learn about the church.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:32 PM
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Traditionally your mother had to be Jewish to be considered part of the faith, but I believe that in some Reform congregations that is no longer the case.

Yes there are many people who attend Catholic schools who are not members of the Roman Catholic church.
I did some quick research and it looks like Meghan self-identifies as being Jewish.

Although I don't think the BRF is anti-semitic per se, I do think her religion might be an issue for the Queen and the Royal Court. The CoE is the established church in England and the Royal Family is expected to attend Anglican services on a regular basis. How would Meghan feel about it ? Apparently, she is very serious about her Jewish faith and, understandably, she may be reluctant to take part in Christian worship, and even more so to convert.

Also, Meghan being Jewish, how would she feel about her (possible future) children not being raised as Jews or being baptized as Anglicans ?
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:39 PM
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It's not like Christianity is foreign to her. She was raised by a Catholic mother and went to a catholic school. Even if she wasn't Catholic herself, she spent a great deal of her childhood surrounded by the faith.

She is also not blind or naive. When she started dating Harry she knew who he was. She knew his faith and the role it would play for his future children. If she wasn't comfortable with her children being Christian, she wouldn't pursue a relationship. When you are in your mid thirties and want kids, you are more serious in choosing your partners. If your partner is of a religion you aren't comfortable raising your kids in, that would be a no go.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:44 PM
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It's not like Christianity is foreign to her. She was raised by a Catholic mother and went to a catholic school. Even if she wasn't Catholic herself, she spent a great deal of her childhood surrounded by the faith.

She is also not blind or naive. When she started dating Harry she knew who he was. She knew his faith and the role it would play for his future children. If she wasn't comfortable with her children being Christian, she wouldn't pursue a relationship. When you are in your mid thirties and want kids, you are more serious in choosing your partners. If your partner is of a religion you aren't comfortable raising your kids in, that would be a no go.
I also doubt either are strongly religious (many people aren't in our generation) and that religion is a strong factor in their choices. I imagine if an engagement happens, they'll consult with the palace on logistics and what really needs to be done to fulfill Harry's royal role and balance that against their personal lives- and they'll make whatever decision is easiest and best for them.

I think the days are pretty well done of a member of the royal family being forbidden from being with someone based on their religion. It would be a very, very bad look. And since Harry is very unlikely to ever ascend the throne, it matters much less for him than it would have before William had children.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:47 PM
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If Meghan was a practising Jew then I don't think she would have picked a fun but non-denominational beach wedding in Jamaica when she wed. JMO. I have heard that when she was very much younger and living in LA she and her father were attendees at a LA synagogue (used by some of the Hollywood community) and Meghan would be a regular at some social functions there.

However, there has been absolutely no mention of Meghan attending any synagogue in Toronto where she has been living for the past several years, something that would surely have become known. Also, would an Orthodox Jewish man (if Tom M is Orthodox) necessarily send his daughter to a Catholic girls school? It just seems to me that Meghan's religious beliefs might well be reasonably fluid, given all we know, and she would be quite agreeable to converting to the C of E.
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Old 04-21-2017, 12:12 AM
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If Meghan was a practising Jew then I don't think she would have picked a fun but non-denominational beach wedding in Jamaica when she wed. JMO. I have heard that when she was very much younger and living in LA she and her father were attendees at a LA synagogue (used by some of the Hollywood community) and Meghan would be a regular at some social functions there.

However, there has been absolutely no mention of Meghan attending any synagogue in Toronto where she has been living for the past several years, something that would surely have become known. Also, would an Orthodox Jewish man (if Tom M is Orthodox) necessarily send his daughter to a Catholic girls school? It just seems to me that Meghan's religious beliefs might well be reasonably fluid, given all we know, and she would be quite agreeable to converting to the C of E.

Honestly I don't know if she is a practicing Jew (AmEng spelling) or not, but she apparently claims to have reconnected with Judaism in her adult life and cleary self-identifies as being Jewish, see e.g. the tweet below.

https://twitter.com/meghanmdaily/sta...78675426033665

If she marries Harry, I suppose she will be the first openly non-Christian woman to marry a British royal, which is a big deal.
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Old 04-21-2017, 12:18 AM
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Honestly I don't know if she is a practicing Jew (AmEng spelling) or not, but she apparently claims to have reconnected with Judaism in her adult life and cleary self-identifies as being Jewish, see e.g. the tweet below.

https://twitter.com/meghanmdaily/sta...78675426033665

If she marries Harry, I suppose she will be the first openly non-Christian woman to marry a British royal, which is a big deal.
That is not Meghan identifying as Jewish- that is someone who runs a Meghan Markle fan site identifying herself as Jewish. That's why it's signed as "Domi".
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Old 04-21-2017, 12:20 AM
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That is not Meghan identifying as Jewish- that is someone who runs a Meghan Markle fan site identifying herself as Jewish. That's why it's signed as "Domi".

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Old 04-21-2017, 12:21 AM
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Sorry, my mistake !
It's very easy to do on twitter! I always have to double check for the verification mark.
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Old 04-21-2017, 12:25 AM
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The Twitter Page that that tweet was originally taken from is maintained for all things Meghan M (as a support to her 'official' Twitter page) by two close pals/helpers of hers, one of whom is called Domi, and both gals happen to be of the Jewish faith. They often discuss cookery etc.

Meghan may well identify as being Jewish, and it's clear she has friendships in the Jewish community, as well as with people of other religions. And she was very close to her dad as a child and teen especially.

It's just that I'm not convinced that she is a practising Jew, especially as I understand the Reform synagogue in LA welcomed non Jewish friends and family members to its social functions. And given that she, as I've said before, apparently has no links to Toronto synagogues.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:50 PM
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These 'reporters' are embarrassing themselves trying to sneak in questions about Harry's personal life. His answers were good, he directed the discussion back to the topic like a pro.
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Old 04-21-2017, 03:13 PM
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Well to be fair, Harry did kinda open that door when he decided to share his own personal struggles. I don't think you can share aspects on your personal life and not expect some reporter or journalist to try to dig deeper. Of course I totally understand why Harry avoided answering but I don't really blame the reporter for trying to get him to share more. I'm sure Harry expected it and understood that she was essentially doing her job.
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Old 04-21-2017, 03:16 PM
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These 'reporters' are embarrassing themselves trying to sneak in questions about Harry's personal life. His answers were good, he directed the discussion back to the topic like a pro.


It's their job- they have to try and get the information most likely to get their outlet attention. The PR professionals who work with Harry have the job of training him to stay on message and offer polite responses that don't reveal more than he is comfortable revealing.


Both types of professionals did their job here :)
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Old 04-21-2017, 08:15 PM
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Harry did a wonderful job deflecting questions about his personal life. Many people get tripped up when a question they weren't expecting gets thrown into the mix but I think, by now, Harry knows that everyone and their grandmother's cat wants to know how the romance is progressing.

As far as opening the door talking about his personal life, the aspect of his personal life that he shared with the public was for a specific purpose of being able to be identified with Heads Together and showing the need to be able to talk about problems rather than keeping it all bottled up. It has absolutely nothing to do with his present love life although he does admit to being "in a good place" today with it.

Very diplomatic, Harry, very diplomatic!
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Old 04-21-2017, 10:26 PM
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Harry did a wonderful job deflecting questions about his personal life. Many people get tripped up when a question they weren't expecting gets thrown into the mix but I think, by now, Harry knows that everyone and their grandmother's cat wants to know how the romance is progressing.

As far as opening the door talking about his personal life, the aspect of his personal life that he shared with the public was for a specific purpose of being able to be identified with Heads Together and showing the need to be able to talk about problems rather than keeping it all bottled up. It has absolutely nothing to do with his present love life although he does admit to being "in a good place" today with it.

Very diplomatic, Harry, very diplomatic!
Harry has done an amazing job with this Heads Together Campaign! So on point, diplomatic and authentic!!If I was his girlfriend I would be very proud of him!!

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Old 04-21-2017, 11:25 PM
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I'm sure Meghan is very proud of Harry and this amazing campaign. He gave Rhiannon just enough to let her know he and Meghan are happy. I liked his answer.
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Old 04-21-2017, 11:38 PM
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The reporters were doing their job. I don't see anything rude about it.

And Harry did his. He was articulate, stayed on topic and kept focus on the charity. He gave just enough an answer to satisfy them without either revealing too much or coming off as standoffish. It's a balance his brother had trouble with at times. Good to see he is learning that or balance.

And I am certain Meghan is indeed proud of his work.
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Old 04-21-2017, 11:50 PM
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I believe and think Harry will surprise everyone and have his wedding at St. Paul's. He is a grand figure. He has a larger than life personality. Very charismatic man.

Royal protocol should not determine a royal's location of marriage. It should be at St. Paul's. It should be covered live on TV/Internet so people can feel some type of joy in this troubled world that we live in today.
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Old 04-22-2017, 12:05 AM
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He is charismatic but not showy. Having a huge flashy wedding doesn't seem him.

St. Paul's is highly unlikely. Charles and Diana married there as they had 3500 guests and Westminster couldn't come close to holding that many. St. Paul is the second largest cathedral in the uk. Harry will not have a wedding even as large as his brother. If anything, he will use Westminster but I think we would only see that if he marries during his father's reign. As a grandson of the monarch and not direct heir, it's not likely to be that scale.

If in London, the chapel at St James seems the most likely. A number of Royal weddings have been there. Or St Georges in Windsor. I do think it will be filmed and some public inclusion but not the big weddings if the eighties or William.
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