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09-07-2016, 10:33 PM
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Different types of 'real love'. She was from a different time in his life.
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just don't get why anyone would wish them back together over pda. he has matured so much from that time in his life. he made so many mistakes then.
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I never said that nor have I even intimated that he and Chelsy reunite. What I, and Dman for that matter, are getting at is that when Harry was with Chelsy there was no doubt that he was in love. It was all those loving looks and shared laughter rather than the PDA's the illustrated that.
Harry and Chelsy enjoyed each other, their wit, their shared happiness was a joy to watch. We want nothing less than a relationship that brings out the happiness, the joy, the laughter, that seems to have been missing on a personal level in Harry's life for quite some time.
Who the object of that affection will be is anyone's guess!
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09-07-2016, 11:42 PM
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what was missing in his life at that time was maturity, motivation to put more of himself in doing his duties and work more to change people's lives . he has found joy and happiness in his projects . he cried at the first ig event. I don't know what else to tell you.
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09-08-2016, 12:19 AM
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One can make an argument on the issue of maturity at the time, but, when it comes to real love and happiness between a couple, Harry and Chelsy had it. So far he hasn't gotten back to that. Now, I wish him well in finding love again. It ain't easy, but it's out there.
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09-08-2016, 01:34 AM
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I never said that nor have I even intimated that he and Chelsy reunite. What I, and Dman for that matter, are getting at is that when Harry was with Chelsy there was no doubt that he was in love. It was all those loving looks and shared laughter rather than the PDA's the illustrated that.
Harry and Chelsy enjoyed each other, their wit, their shared happiness was a joy to watch. We want nothing less than a relationship that brings out the happiness, the joy, the laughter, that seems to have been missing on a personal level in Harry's life for quite some time.
Who the object of that affection will be is anyone's guess!
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09-08-2016, 10:10 AM
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One can make an argument on the issue of maturity at the time, but, when it comes to real love and happiness between a couple, Harry and Chelsy had it. So far he hasn't gotten back to that. Now, I wish him well in finding love again. It ain't easy, but it's out there.
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His immaturity at the time most likely affected his relationships with friends and family. there wasn't much or enough stability to steer him in the right path and fortunately he gained more confidence in sorting himself out years later. I still can't believe he never spoke of his mother until he was 28. he carried that pain throughout his first serious and longest relationship. I hope he finds a lady that can give him something that chelsy couldn't. someone that can help him find a balance between his private life and public role. I'm not saying he needs a yes lady or no lady. just someone different from the exes personality wise.
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09-08-2016, 12:26 PM
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His immaturity at the time most likely affected his relationships with friends and family. there wasn't much or enough stability to steer him in the right path and fortunately he gained more confidence in sorting himself out years later. I still can't believe he never spoke of his mother until he was 28. he carried that pain throughout his first serious and longest relationship. I hope he finds a lady that can give him something that chelsy couldn't. someone that can help him find a balance between his private life and public role. I'm not saying he needs a yes lady or no lady. just someone different from the exes personality wise.
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Well honestly... I was on sept 15 as well and I sometimes feel incredibly immature.. And I'm also not much of a talker about emotions. I'm currently lucky to have found some people who are just as insane as I can be. 😊 Not counting the fact men mature slower than women.
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One thing it's easy to overlook is that not every girl (contrary to what Disney would like us to aim for!) wants to be a real life, bona fide Princess. Especially considering that the Prince she'd have to marry is perhaps the most famous Prince in the world. Any relationship Harry gets into will always have the inevitable discussion before any form of marriage proposal, which is "Do you think you can handle the responsibility?". It isn't a case of marrying just for love, there's the fact that she'll be harassed by the press, she'll have to forego privacy and independence and carry out a full diary of public engagements and ceremonial obligations.
So it isn't so much whether Harry has matured or whether he's ready - not in my view anyway. It's finding a girl willing to take on the entire firm as well.
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09-08-2016, 02:50 PM
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I definitely agree with you on this. She'll not only be marrying Harry but just about the entire UK to boot and have every step she takes noticed and every thing she wears up for weeks upon weeks of discussion. She has to be seen to be always pleasant with a smile on her face and can't just call in "sick" to work if she has a headache. I can't imagine walking around after the wedding with people constantly looking to see if there's a "baby bump" and if I scowled because a fly flew up my skirt, there's trouble in the marriage.
Yeps... its not only a major decision to marry the man but also a major decision on how one's life is going to be for the rest of her life.
BTW: Good to see ya back again. You've been missed.
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09-08-2016, 02:57 PM
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It's a fickle business. The UK press were obsessed with Kate until they broke up and then they dropped her like a stone and began to publish catalogues of eligibles! When they got back together, she was the new "saviour of the monarchy".....and now they're bored of her again. So even if you can deal with the attention it brings, you've got a constant threat over you of nasty articles claiming you're useless and lazy, even when you have actually been working hard and doing your duty. I wouldn't much fancy that sort of life!
And thankyou!
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09-16-2016, 04:57 PM
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If Harry's future wife can't have children for any reason, can they adopt or hire a surrogate? Or will Harry and his wife divorce?
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09-16-2016, 05:13 PM
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No they can't adopt or hire a surrogate, at least not if they want the child to be in the succession. Why would they divorce??
They don't need to have heirs, William has 2 children..
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09-16-2016, 05:21 PM
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If it is his wifes Eggs and His Sperm in a surrogate then I don't see how that would disqualify a Child of Harry's.
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09-16-2016, 05:23 PM
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If it is his wifes Eggs and His Sperm in a surrogate then I don't see how that would disqualify a Child of Harry's.
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I agree.
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09-16-2016, 05:35 PM
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If it is his wifes Eggs and His Sperm in a surrogate then I don't see how that would disqualify a Child of Harry's.
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the child would have to be born in the normal way in marriage.
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09-16-2016, 05:37 PM
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The only factor that I could think of that would prevent being in the line of succession in this case would be the argument that the blood circulating through the unborn child was that of the surrogate. The child would not have the "blood royal".
I, though, don't think anything along these lines will ever come to pass.
ETA: not exactly sure about the blood. Did some searching and its only the nutrients from the surrogate that affect the fetus through the placenta. Its a complex matter it seems and it is call epigenetics
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09-16-2016, 05:37 PM
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the child would have to be born in the normal way in marriage.
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Sorry what?
There is really know rules 'governing' surrogacy, rules would have to be altered to cover the situation.
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09-16-2016, 05:52 PM
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The only factor that I could think of that would prevent being in the line of succession in this case would be the argument that the blood circulating through the unborn child was that of the surrogate. The child would not have the "blood royal".
I, though, don't think anything along these lines will ever come to pass.
ETA: not exactly sure about the blood. Did some searching and its only the nutrients from the surrogate that affect the fetus through the placenta. Its a complex matter it seems and it is call epigenetics
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Um, no.  The blood circulating through the baby is the baby's blood. There is no sharing of blood between mother and unborn baby. The blood and genetics come from the cells which created the baby, the parents. That is how women with AIDS can have babies without. The virus usually passes to their child either in delivery when the baby comes in contact or nursing.
Researchers believe a small amount of a surrogate dna may attach but so minimalistic in the trillions of cells, it would never be detected.
The issue would be with the public. There would always be rumours that the child is not Harry of his wife's baby in full. They could publish dna tests and theories would still spread.
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09-16-2016, 05:59 PM
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The only factor that I could think of that would prevent being in the line of succession in this case would be the argument that the blood circulating through the unborn child was that of the surrogate. The child would not have the "blood royal".
I, though, don't think anything along these lines will ever come to pass.
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Not that, but Im sure the child would have to be seen as born from the mother, who is the legal wife of the Prince. A surrogate carrying a baby is going tot give birth but she's not the legal wife. And an adopted child would not be In the line of succession either.
I can't see this happening anyway. Maybe in another 20 or 50 years, it might be considered Ok and they'd legislate for it. But there's no need for Harry to produce heirs.. so I can't see that they'd make any changes in the law unless it was the only way of producing an heier. There are LOADS of heirs, so that's not likely to be the case.
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09-16-2016, 06:05 PM
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The kid would have Harry's Royal Genes and that of his lawful wife. The child would be genetically and legally legit.
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09-16-2016, 06:16 PM
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Its an interesting scenario to ponder over but as the chances of something like this actually happening is slim to none, I think we're just splitting heirs here.
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