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Old 04-14-2017, 02:14 AM
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There is an argument though that if the members of the BRF were not who they are they wouldn't need special protection. This is especially so in the case of Harry who is a target for terrorists because of his service in war zones in Afghanstan. I'm sure none of them wish to holiday anywhere with two men at least tailing them everywhere they go.

There may be an outcry about the expense. There would be even more of an outcry IMO if expenses were cut to the bone in this area and as a result the Royal concerned was killed, wounded or kidnapped.
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Old 04-14-2017, 02:16 AM
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Absolutely - any time a royal with RPOs goes overseas they stay in five star accommodations.

In the past the British public weren't so aware of the costs etc but now that they are there are some who are raising questions about the costs at times. Not yet in enough numbers or loud enough to really cause some concern but if it does become an issue then they will have to look at the expenses and Harry's constant overseas jaunts to see Meaghen is just the sort of thing to really bring this to the public's notice and maybe force a change whereby the royals will have to fund all overseas security themselves when not on official duties. I do think they should do that actually and made it very public that they have done so.
Constant? I believe this is his first trip to Toronto since early December (at least that we know about). That was over 3 months ago. I wouldn't exactly say he's made a habit of visiting her.

Of course some may take issue with that even (namely some on the internet, many whom don't miss an opportunity to complain about the royals spending taxpayer money and the tabloids, who try to drum up drama wherever they can). But I'd think most would see a guy visiting his girlfriend (who's working) every once in awhile as no big deal. I don't foresee this turning into some controversy, unless Harry truly does make a habit out of it and I doubt that.
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Old 04-14-2017, 02:31 AM
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There have been rumours of them seeing each other in other places overseas besides Toronto as well as the recent wedding they both went to.

The BRF relies for its very existence on good PR and the media controls that PR. These days there are as many negative stories as positive ones and they do need to be careful to ensure that the stories are more positive than negative and so need to look at ways to reduce the negative stories before what seems no big deal today becomes a massive issue in the future.
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Old 04-14-2017, 02:51 AM
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Eh. If Harry is making another trip to Toronto in the next two weeks or so, I think you may have a point. But trying to turn this into a negative or controversy right now just seems like a reach to me.
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Old 04-14-2017, 08:34 AM
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There have been rumours of them seeing each other in other places overseas besides Toronto as well as the recent wedding they both went to.

The BRF relies for its very existence on good PR and the media controls that PR. These days there are as many negative stories as positive ones and they do need to be careful to ensure that the stories are more positive than negative and so need to look at ways to reduce the negative stories before what seems no big deal today becomes a massive issue in the future.
IMO, criticising royals for travelling in their own time on account of the cost of security just demonstrates a lack of understanding of how these things work. The decision of whom gets what level of security is decided by the Home Office, not BP / KP. If the Home Office decides a certain level of cover is to be provided, then so be it. You cannot imprison royals in their Palaces to reduce costs. They can, and should, continue to pursue their private interests in their own time.

By that same argument, should Theresa May have gone on a walking holiday in Wales earlier this month or in Switzerland last summer? Should she not have walked around Chequers instead? Should Trump not be allowed to go to Florida most weekends because of the costs of his security?
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Old 04-14-2017, 09:05 AM
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its not the same. they are elected officials, they have doen SOMETHING to earn their privilege, even if it is only to win an election.. whereas the RF have not. And since Harry's father is immensely wealthy, he should shoulder some of the security costs IMO or tell Harry to stay home..
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Old 04-14-2017, 09:11 AM
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How do we know Harry doesn't pay some of the bills himself, anyway?
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Old 04-14-2017, 09:57 AM
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I doubt if he's going to pay bills if his father is largely supporting him..
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Old 04-14-2017, 10:07 AM
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Yay, this thread is open again!!!

Nice to see lots of activity in the Harry/Meghan front, and him making a trip to visit her. Meghan having to close the Tig was inevitable, IMO, but I'm surprised it happened this fast. That's one reason I like seeing Harry go to visit her for a change, so not all the effort and sacrifices (for the lack of a better word) are done by her. He seems willing and ready to meet half way, and do the legwork for their relationship too.

I'm making a prediction, that they'll get engaged by the end of this year, or very early in the next year.
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Old 04-14-2017, 10:13 AM
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I think you may well be correct!
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Old 04-14-2017, 11:16 AM
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I still don't see an engagement announcement until Suits ends.

The season finale seems to be start of March the last few years.

A mid March announcement and a wedding in the summer seems likely
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Old 04-14-2017, 11:43 AM
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Rumor has it this is the last season of Suits ...even if not true, she doesn't have to keep working in the show if she wants to move on to other things.


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Old 04-14-2017, 11:53 AM
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Rumor has it this is the last season of Suits ...even if not true, she doesn't have to keep working in the show if she wants to move on to other things.


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Yes, that is why I said end of season, listing March as the season finale.

I don't think Harry and Meghan are immune to the fact that her tv show causes reservations for some. Having a public engagement when her show is still airing seems unlikely. They may get engaged earlier but I don't see an announcement prior to the season finale aired.
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Old 04-14-2017, 12:11 PM
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Suits is usually filmed in 2 parts. Last year, the mid-season finale was in mid-September. Depending on if Meghan stays for the full season or not, she could be finished being seen on Suits in September 2017 or March 2018.
They haven't announced if the network has renewed the show for season 8 as yet.
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Old 04-14-2017, 01:23 PM
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Yes, that is why I said end of season, listing March as the season finale.

I don't think Harry and Meghan are immune to the fact that her tv show causes reservations for some. Having a public engagement when her show is still airing seems unlikely. They may get engaged earlier but I don't see an announcement prior to the season finale aired.

Honestly I would be surprised if an engagement was announced before fall/winter. No idea how the season runs on the show since I've never seen it.


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Old 04-14-2017, 03:23 PM
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One thing I've read several times is that no matter where a royal goes, they are provided with around the clock RPOs. Their paychecks are doled out from the Metropolitan Police. When a royal travels on their own such as Harry flying to Toronto for a few days, their hotel bills and expenses are met by the royal themselves. The paycheck side of things is what the taxpayer's float. The luxurious hotels, they don't. For official engagements and foreign tours, this part falls under the category where HM, The Queen kicks in and pays for.

Being a RPO has its ups and down I think. You get to travel the world and stay in very nice lodgings and have respectable down times but for a married RPO with a family, it has the drawbacks such as this trip to Toronto possibly being over the Easter holiday. Like everything else in this world, there's balance. A good side and a bad side.

This is how I understand it to be anyways. Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

On another note regarding an engagement. When they get engaged and when it is announced is two horses of different colors. They could already be engaged and have the intention to marry but before any announcements are made, there's a lot of work and plans behind the scenes that happens first. We know that once the announcement is made, the wedding usually is within a short time afterwards. (W&K announced their intent to marry in Nov. 2010 and married in April 2011). H&M wouldn't announce an engagement tomorrow with the side note that the wedding won't be until 2019 or similar.
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Old 04-14-2017, 03:28 PM
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I think he has already asked Meghan to marry him. Just a feeling I have. I think a formal engagement announcement will come this summer, with a wedding between November 2017 and January 2018. I think they're a great couple.
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Old 04-14-2017, 03:36 PM
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I think he has already asked Meghan to marry him. Just a feeling I have. I think a formal engagement announcement will come this summer, with a wedding between November 2017 and January 2018. I think they're a great couple.
Wow - a winter wedding, seems a bit early to me. Even though Harry is now 5th in the line of succession, there'll be massive interest and crowds will turn out for his wedding to whomever he marries for that reason it'd be easier if his wedding is held in better weather, IMO.
I've always hoped that Princess Eugenie would marry in winter (preferably w/ snow) as I think she'd make a beautiful winter bride.
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Old 04-14-2017, 03:42 PM
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It is very possible also that when the engagement announcement is made, there will be also an announcement that Harry and Meghan prefer to have a small, intimate wedding without a lot of fuss and fanfare. As much as Harry and Meghan have closely guarded their privacy during the relationship. its not too far fetched to think that they'll also apply this to their wedding plans.

Maybe something along the lines of Anne's second wedding. We see to the church and coming out of the church but nothing of the ceremony and the reception as they'll be kept private.
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Old 04-14-2017, 04:20 PM
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Harry's future wedding will be done in the manner in which his bride-to-be see fit. With all the palace officials and designers at her disposal, she'll put on the wedding of her dreams. Of course with some input of Harry.
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