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Old 12-21-2016, 05:57 PM
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Consider the source and take it with a grain of salt.
Hence my use of the word " if". 😉
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Old 12-21-2016, 06:43 PM
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The Queen allows her grandchildren to conduct their private lives as they see fit, but also support them.
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I think she most likely does leave him alone re his girlfriends but I don't really know that as none of us do.



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Old 12-21-2016, 07:22 PM
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HM is very closed mouthed when it comes to sharing her opinions and what she thinks with the public. We can guess, we can assume from facial expressions and we can look to the "wife of the high ranking courtier who knows the Queen" for clues but we will never know outright what HM's opinions on just about anything are.
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Old 12-21-2016, 07:28 PM
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Yep unless she sits down with me over a cup of tea and tells me everything I know as much as the DM


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Old 12-21-2016, 08:00 PM
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The Queen allows her grandchildren to conduct their private lives as they see fit, but also support them.
Koo Stark got her marching orders back in the day and that involved the personal happiness of her own son but we're expected to believe that the Queen's done a 360 degree turnaround now and that Meghan Markel's sex scenes in "Suits" are of no consequence to Her Majesty as long as Harry is happy. Yeah right.
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Old 12-21-2016, 08:30 PM
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Koo Stark got her marching orders back in the day and that involved the personal happiness of her own son but we're expected to believe that the Queen's done a 360 degree turnaround now and that Meghan Markel's sex scenes in "Suits" are of no consequence to Her Majesty as long as Harry is happy. Yeah right.
Meghan is professional actress. I think The Queen is grown up enough to know those scenes aren't real, and Meghan shouldn't be judged by her job. Everyone who knows The Queen will tell you that she's the least judgmental person they know.

One can't compare Koo to Meghan.
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Old 12-21-2016, 08:38 PM
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Can't compare the Koo Stark situation to Harry's. First wasn't Koo a "soft porn" actress?

I'm thinking the scene or two over the years in Suits that Meghan is doing is quite different than what Koo was doing.

Plus ...nowdays you can't hardly have a evening show without showing some skin or suggestive situations. Different times.


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Old 12-21-2016, 10:27 PM
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Koo did try her hand at mainstream, but seems a lot if her parts were cut. I know she dud at least one soft porn, Emily.

Certainly nothing that Meghan has done, or appears on evening tv even Hbo, is comparable. Very few actors today could say they haven't done some nude or semi nude scenes.
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Old 12-21-2016, 10:34 PM
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Koo Stark got her marching orders back in the day and that involved the personal happiness of her own son but we're expected to believe that the Queen's done a 360 degree turnaround now and that Meghan Markel's sex scenes in "Suits" are of no consequence to Her Majesty as long as Harry is happy. Yeah right.
Do you seriously think that HMQ is stuck in a 1970/80s time warp?

She has permitted the heir to the throne to marry a divorced woman
She has given the same woman honours and asked her to represent her at official events (all of which I agree with).

There is HMQs personal view of events and what her "duty" means she must do and duty is determined by the morals/standards of the time.

Life, the Church (CofE) and HMQ have moved on. So should everyone else.

My only caveat is - no issue what she does (or any other potential life partner) prior to marriage but it would not happen once the person is an HRH.
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Old 12-22-2016, 12:22 AM
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A very pithy and sensible statement.

Just as an aside, I have read on numerous threads that such-and-such has or had done a 360 degree turnaround. If what is meant is that they are thinking or acting in a totally opposite way, then it should surely have said 180 degrees. A 360 degree turnaround would leave them right back where they started.
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Old 12-22-2016, 02:32 PM
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I'm not sure to what extent to believe the talk over who has been "barred" from marrying into the BRF during Elizabeth's reign. What if Koo Stark never married in simply because Andrew didn't truly want to marry her? I think if Harry wants to marry Meghan, the Queen or his father will allow it. Now, whether she will be able to seamlessly fit into the family is another story, however, the star-crossed lovers kept apart by the evil establishment thing has always rung false to me. The Queen's private thoughts and her actions don't always coincide.
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Old 12-22-2016, 03:40 PM
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I would believe that Peter Townsend was "barred" from marrying into the BRF during HM's reign.

Other than that... I'm not sure I fully believe that the relationships were at the engagement stage when they ended (be it Koo Stark, Camilla, or others), but I would believe that pressure from the Queen, DoE, Queen Mother, and Lord Mountbatten (when he was alive) did contribute to discouraging some relationships from forming into possible engagements.

I certainly believe that Charles and Andrew dated some women knowing full well that they would never marry them, and I'd bet that at least some of them were completely aware of and okay with this.

The way William and Harry's relationships have developed, though... I don't think we've seen any serious girlfriends on either part who I would believe for an instant that marriage wasn't a possibility down the road. Sure they might not have been considered possible brides had they dated Charles or Andrew a generation earlier, but times have changed and I think the Queen is well aware of that. Camilla, Sophie, and Kate all likely would have been excluded from marriage prospects had their romances happened earlier (and Camilla, in fact, was).
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Old 12-22-2016, 04:06 PM
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You have to consider the Koo incident in the time it occurred. To compare it to Meaghan ignores all the changes in society's attitude. King Edward and Princess Margaret both had to chose between their duty and a divorced person. Now 3 of the Queens 4 children are divorced and 2 have re-married.

Also, it makes since to let the relationship run its course. Not all relationships end in marriage.
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Old 12-22-2016, 04:13 PM
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She's a well accomplished young lady, actress, humanitarian, etc. I hope no one would try to reduce Meghan to an opportunist or indecent person. Harry is doing just fine with dating her. I'm sure the family wish him well.
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Old 12-22-2016, 04:37 PM
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Always a good idea to double check before replying. LOL

I was positive when I read this the first time: I would believe that Peter Townsend was "barred" from marrying into the BRF during HM's reign that it was "Pete Townshend"-(Guitarist/vocalist from The Who).
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TLLK - every time I write Townsend's name I have a moment of "did I spell that right or am I now talking about the Who guy?" Every single time.
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I don't believe the Queen can stop anyone in the family doing what they want in this day and age and that includes Charles marrying Camilla. She called her a wicked woman and wanted Charles to drop her but he married her anyway and she's had no choice but to accept it. The same will happen with whoever Harry wants. I think a few decades back she had more of a say but times have changed. It doesn't mean though that we should assume that she approves of every situation that occurs.
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Old 12-22-2016, 05:16 PM
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I don't believe the Queen can stop anyone in the family doing what they want in this day and age and that includes Charles marrying Camilla. She called her a wicked woman and wanted Charles to drop her but he married her anyway and she's had no choice but to accept it. The same will happen with whoever Harry wants. I think a few decades back she had more of a say but times have changed. It doesn't mean though that we should assume that she approves of every situation that occurs.
Do you have sources for the claim that HM called Camilla a wicked woman and wanted Charles to drop her? In a rather recent article (February 2015), talking about the marriage 10 years on, there's no indication of any kind of animosity from the Queen towards her.

Charles and Camilla: 10 years on - Telegraph

Back to Harry though. I really don't see any problems whatsoever with any choice that Harry would make for his bride. Unless something dire happens, Harry and his family will never be as close to the throne as William and his family will. Its the natural order of things. The main importance, I believe, that anyone near and dear to Harry would want is for him to be happy and in love with whomever he marries.
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I would believe that Peter Townsend was "barred" from marrying into the BRF during HM's reign.
That is actually becoming more and more dubious to me as well. Especially according to this:

Princess Margaret: recently unearthed letter sheds new light on decision not to marry - Telegraph

I just don't believe the Queen would bar Harry from marrying who he wished, unless she was some sort of an outlaw lol
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