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Old 12-16-2016, 09:12 PM
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As if the British royal family were perfect. There have been so many scandals that it would be better not to comment.What's wrong with her being divorced? In royalty there are several divorced. And Harry does not have a simple affair with her, after the statement he gave, it is clear that it is a serious relationship,
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:22 PM
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I am so confused to some reasons why Meghan is not good enough...The same people who now do not like Meghan are the ones who now want Chelsy back...Chelsy was born in Africa and was not British Either but now they prefer a White African woman to a Biracial African American/European woman...Who has closer ties to Europe through her father but now they prefer the one from Africa who happens to be completely white?
Why is it being ignored Meghan is half European?
I just find it weird that the same people Cheering Chelsy back on are quick to forget she isn't British Either...Ever consider maybe Harry doesn't like British Women as much as Foreign Women?
There are many foreign Princesses and Duchesses but maybe this one isn't good enough for another reason I'm sure...? Her problem with some of these negative posters on here and on the DM is because she's 2-3 shades darker than Harry...She doesn't have to apologize for being mixed,she caught the Prince's eye so obviously she was good enough for him...
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:30 PM
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I did have a problem with the Duchess of Cambridge, they are plenty of princesses and aristocrats to choose from. With Meghan it's more so because of an American thing. Americans did not want the British Monarchy, they went to war in order to get rid of us, why should they now be able to have an American born princess - I find it ironic to say the least. And we should not compare continental monarchies to the BRF. Not the same status or history or influence at all.

This is such a creepy perspective to me. Those who act like aristocracy/royalty should only marry each other are espousing ideas deeply related to eugenics/white supremacy and that's troubling.

The part about American independence being a reason a British prince shouldn't date an American is just silly at least, rather than an idea tied to some of the worst parts of human history.




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Old 12-16-2016, 09:35 PM
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I am so confused to some reasons why Meghan is not good enough...The same people who now do not like Meghan are the ones who now want Chelsy back...Chelsy was born in Africa and was not British Either but now they prefer a White African woman to a Biracial African American/European woman...Who has closer ties to Europe through her father but now they prefer the one from Africa who happens to be completely white?
Why is it being ignored Meghan is half European?
I just find it weird that the same people Cheering Chelsy back on are quick to forget she isn't British Either...Ever consider maybe Harry doesn't like British Women as much as Foreign Women?
There are many foreign Princesses and Duchesses but maybe this one isn't good enough for another reason I'm sure...? Her problem with some of these negative posters on here and on the DM is because she's 2-3 shades darker than Harry...She doesn't have to apologize for being mixed,she caught the Prince's eye so obviously she was good enough for him...

Yes, I've said that from the beginning. People point to other things, but in reality the problem is she is biracial. I have not seen Harry's ex girlfriends being attacked like this. Chelsy was not English and Cressida was an actress and no one cared.
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:41 PM
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I don't believe in royal blood etc or that royals shouldn't marry "commoners"
But I am concerned that Meghan is an actor for most actors acting is a passion and not something they can walk away from. Look at actors who act on long after most people have retired. Everything I have read about Princess Grace says she missed her acting and was very sad she couldn't continue.
I would hope that if Meghan does marry Harry she can be happy without acting anymore because I don't think anyone would be ready for a wife and possible mother of a member of the BRF to be living in another country while she makes a movie etc
Harry's wife needs to join the firm do her job and be happy doing that , there is no other option.
Anyway just my take on it marriage isn't a Mills and Boon book especially a royal one
I don't think Cressida was an actor just trying to be one
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:41 PM
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I did have a problem with the Duchess of Cambridge, they are plenty of princesses and aristocrats to choose from. With Meghan it's more so because of an American thing. Americans did not want the British Monarchy, they went to war in order to get rid of us, why should they now be able to have an American born princess - I find it ironic to say the least. And we should not compare continental monarchies to the BRF. Not the same status or history or influence at all.

For starters, as Zonk has already pointed out, a war 300 years ago doesn't mean that Americans can't marry Brits, be they commoners, aristocrats, or nobles.

Edward VIII already married an American. Many, many British nobles have married Americans over the years.

And to make it clear, she won't be an American princess. In all likelihood, she'll become a dual citizen if they marry.
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:44 PM
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Yes, I've said that from the beginning. People point to other things, but in reality the problem is she is biracial. I have not seen Harry's ex girlfriends being attacked like this. Chelsy was not English and Cressida was an actress and no one cared.
I have been around for a bit and honestly, it's been much worst. Both of these young ladies were also found to be less desirable candidates for Harry's girlfriend and potential wife. It's only when you get a newbie than the old girls don't seem so bad.
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:46 PM
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We have to expect it. Anyone that seems to have a relationship that may result in a trip up the aisle at Westminster Abbey will have every nook and cranny of their lives, their lineage and their idiosyncrasies analyzed to the max. I half expect an article to surface in the Daily Mail on how Harry and Meghan are 27th cousins, fourteen times removed due to a common ancestor back in the 14th century somewhere. Ridiculous? Nope. Kate also ran the gauntlet of having these kind of "links". From CBS News when Kate was engaged to William:

"According to the New England Historic Genealogical Society in Boston, Middleton is an eighth cousin eight times removed to George Washington. Their common ancestor, Sir William Gascoigne, died in 1487."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kate-mid...es-in-america/

Go figure. Its like a couple should sit down and trace their ancestors back to the stone age before they even consider dating each other and enjoying each other's company. I'm glad that isn't a mandatory thing in this day and age as drawing up my family lineage would take as long as to say "not applicable".
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:47 PM
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I thought I heard Kate was half Jewish herself did they bug her about that? Some will say she (Meghan) straightens her hair to look white but both Meghan and Kate have naturally curly hair and tanned skin...I've seen some Middletons darker than Meghan and she is still getting bashed...I've even heard she will never be a "princess" or accepted by the Queen because she has brown eyes (Which are a honey color to me) as if the heir to the throne Prince George doesn't have Brown eyes! It's a shame.
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:52 PM
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Out in the real world, the British people are not discussing her ethnicity, nationality, career, age, religion or previous marriage.

Harry has a girlfriend - thats it. There is probably a hope that he's happy but thats it.

Media has a job to do, but so does Troll Central. Ignore Troll Central as it doesnt reflect British opinion.

Come on folks. They are dating. Thats it. Chill!

The BRF really wont be as concerned as some people on this forum.
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Old 12-16-2016, 10:23 PM
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Ya'll need to stop reading comboxes on those media sites.

The vast majority of Brits (and Americans...which most Americans could care less about any royal family) could give a fig that Meghan is mixed race. The majority of comments I've seen here only focus on her acting and where she lives as possible issues.

If anything it's more of a class bias than anything else.


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Old 12-16-2016, 10:26 PM
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For starters, as Zonk has already pointed out, a war 300 years ago doesn't mean that Americans can't marry Brits, be they commoners, aristocrats, or nobles.

Edward VIII already married an American. Many, many British nobles have married Americans over the years.

And to make it clear, she won't be an American princess. In all likelihood, she'll become a dual citizen if they marry.
Of course Americans can marry Brits, just not the Royal Family, they got rid of us, why should they now have the privilege to be part of the BRF or want to for that matter. She is part of the Hollywood culture that make movies like "The Patriot" or HBO series "John Adams". A lot of anti British sentiment.

Of course the War for Independence had nothing to do with Meghan, but history is what it is, I just don't think she would be accepted.
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Old 12-16-2016, 10:37 PM
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Of course Americans can marry Brits, just not the Royal Family, they got rid of us, why should they now have the privilege to be part of the BRF or want to for that matter. She is part of the Hollywood culture that make movies like "The Patriot" or HBO series "John Adams". A lot of anti British sentiment.

Of course the War for Independence had nothing to do with Meghan, but history is what it is, I just don't think she would be accepted.
Winston Churchill's mother was American, Princess Diana has an American ancestors.
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Old 12-16-2016, 10:41 PM
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Of course Americans can marry Brits, just not the Royal Family, they got rid of us, why should they now have the privilege to be part of the BRF or want to for that matter. She is part of the Hollywood culture that make movies like "The Patriot" or HBO series "John Adams". A lot of anti British sentiment.

Of course the War for Independence had nothing to do with Meghan, but history is what it is, I just don't think she would be accepted.
AT the risk of getting my post deleted but speaking as a Brit, I think your comments are complete tosh!

All the majority of British people will want is for Harry to be happy, get it right and for the marriage to last. And thats for his sake, rather than ours.

The line of succession is secure. He is not under any pressure at all.
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Old 12-16-2016, 10:49 PM
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Of course Americans can marry Brits, just not the Royal Family, they got rid of us, why should they now have the privilege to be part of the BRF or want to for that matter. She is part of the Hollywood culture that make movies like "The Patriot" or HBO series "John Adams". A lot of anti British sentiment.

Of course the War for Independence had nothing to do with Meghan, but history is what it is, I just don't think she would be accepted.
I am trying not to be rude or dismissive but you are all over the place and it's not making any sense.

1] What rule or law states that a member of the British Royal family can't marry and American? Please do not cite Wallis Simpson as example, that was a different time, different expectations and different people.

2] They got rid of us? What does that mean? By they do you mean the British? By us do you mean the United States? The US declared independence, we fought it out, they surrendered, acknowledged our independence left and we won.

3] What do movies/television series over five years old...if not older have to do with Meaghan? Considering that many British actors are VERY popular and respected in Hollywood...how can you state there is anti British sentiment.

4] Please provide examples on why Meaghan would not be accepted by the British public.

To be quite honest, the majority of people that seem to have an issue with Meaghan are not British subjects but people from other countries.

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AT the risk of getting my post deleted but speaking as a Brit, I think your comments are complete tosh!

All the majority of British people will want is for Harry to be happy, get it right and for the marriage to last. And thats for his sake, rather than ours.

The line of succession is secure. He is not under any pressure at all.
Exactly. The future of the monarchy is Charles, William and George.

Harry and his wife will gradually fade into the woodwork. They will have a role during the reign of Charles and the early days of William until George and Charlotte are old enough to do royal duties. And than we will have people trying to push Harry and his wife into retirement...much as they do now for the Kents and Gloucesters.
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Old 12-16-2016, 10:52 PM
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And let us not forget the illustrious Thelma Furness, Viscountess Furness that was mistress to The Prince of Wales before he became King Edward VIII and introduced him to Wallis Simpson. Thelma is also known as being a great aunt to Anderson Cooper the CNN anchorman.

I also agree the American Revolutionary War has had virtually no impact in the modern era on relations between the Americans and the British and there have been countless marriages between Americans and the aristocracy for a long time. The influx of American wealth has saved quite a few stately "piles" from descending into complete ruins.

Diana's grandmother Ruth, Lady Fermoy was Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother's friend and confidant for years and she had (gasp) American roots.
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Of course Americans can marry Brits, just not the Royal Family, they got rid of us, why should they now have the privilege to be part of the BRF or want to for that matter. She is part of the Hollywood culture that make movies like "The Patriot" or HBO series "John Adams". A lot of anti British sentiment.

Of course the War for Independence had nothing to do with Meghan, but history is what it is, I just don't think she would be accepted.
We Americans came in pretty handy during a couple of wars, though. And we didn't fight to save just the BRF, either.
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:21 PM
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I am sorry to have started the entire discussion on the American vs British alliance, I guess I am not getting my point across, so I will just apologize and leave it at that.
Sorry if I had offended anybody on either side of the pond
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:40 PM
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Not to worry Zaika. All opinions are welcomed and respected and it does make for some really good discussions and an incredible medium for learning something new.

One thing that makes these forums and threads so popular is that its pretty much the way of things to have an opinion on something but not just because its what one thinks but because there is a basis in credible fact for that opinion. As in "this is what I think and why I think this way".

Its these kind of conversations that make TRF a message board of higher standards than a gossip site or the comment section of the Daily Mail.

Welcome to TRF Zaika and glad to see you jumping in and getting more than your little toe wet.
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Yes, I've said that from the beginning. People point to other things, but in reality the problem is she is biracial. I have not seen Harry's ex girlfriends being attacked like this. Chelsy was not English and Cressida was an actress and no one cared.
Meghan is Half Black. That is the problem 100% with the attacks and negative posts and comments. Bingo!

Now I see Harry's point in his statement.
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