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Old 12-16-2016, 06:58 PM
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Never heard of this lady before she became liked to the Prince. She´s pretty (well,that´s what some might call her at least...) and she performs in some sort of dubious soap (sorry, series) that will be forgotten in a few years time, like many girls without any real talents do. If this is what some people call "working" I wished she wouldn´t work at all...
Still I hope Harry or she herself come to their senses, have a nice little affair and end it in a couple of months!
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:01 PM
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I'd say an actress is a pretty good background for a royal wife. Already used to the publicity to certain extent. Already used to the 'red carpet' side of the royal life. Already used to PR. That's a hge part of the public royal life, and actresses already are used to it.

And on a side note, soap actors are some of the hardest working people in the industry.
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:02 PM
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So actors and actresses who appear in Drama series on cable networks aren't actors and actresses? Perhaps you should argue that out with the producers of those shows! Acting is a profession in which there is a 95% unemployment rate at any one time. Would you characterise Cressida Bonas (another ex of Harry's) as an actress? After all, she's appeared on the London stage in a few productions. An actress? Or are only people who appear in prestigious productions 'true' actors and actresses.

Meghan has made her living from film and TV roles since the early 2000's. She's appeared in small parts in eleven films. She's also had roles in TV films and other shows. Not an actress, then, remembering the huge unemployment rate in the profession?

There are huge differences between Meghan and Princess Sofia. Without going into excruciating details, Sofia was a nude model for men's magazines as a teenager. She was a Miss Slitz in Sweden. She appeared in an extremely tacky reality show in which she kissed another woman. She, again without going into detail, led a very colourful private life during this time.

Slight differences? Can you point me to any nude modelling for men's magazines that Meghan has done? Any reality show work in which she showed herself off, to put it politely!
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:06 PM
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Charles is heir to the throne. He is a divorcee and he is married to one and he was a cheat!

Now, what makes him acceptable and his divorce and that of his current wife a non issue?

It's non issue for them but it's an issue for Harry and Meghan if they want to marry? Oh! That makes a lot of sense!! It's hogwash is what it it is!!

It's an issue to some simply because it's Meghan.
Because Charles is an Heir to the throne and Camilla comes from one of the oldest British aristocratic families, they can can away with a lot just by the virtue of their birth
Megan is a divorced soap opera American actress - British taxpayers should not have to support her
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:12 PM
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I dont find her suitable at all. Not because she is a commoner or something, not at all! But I just cannot think of a soap star in a tacky series as a british royal duchess! Reminds me much too much of a certain Sophia Hellqvist....
But there's already an actress in the family (Lady Frederick Windsor) and let's not forget that Mike Tindall has been on a few reality shows. So it's kind of hard to argue that Meghan is unsuitable because of her profession.

Meghan may not be an Oscar nominated actress, but she is an actress. Not every actor will get an Oscar, or achieve worldwide fame. And don't knock soaps, many actors have launched their careers there (Julianne Moore, Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt, Meg Ryan, Leonardo DiCaprio, Ricky Martin, Sigourney Weaver).
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:14 PM
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Because Charles is an Heir to the throne and Camilla comes from one of the oldest British aristocratic families, they can can away with a lot just by the virtue of their birth
Megan is a divorced soap opera American actress - British taxpayers should not have to support her
I would agree with you if it was up to the British taxpayer to determine who Harry marries and would actually be the sole support of her life with Harry. Seeing as neither of those are applicable in this case, it doesn't ring true with me.

Meghan could be a fortune teller with a traveling circus going from town to town and if Harry deems that is good enough for him and its who he wants, that's good enough for me.
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:15 PM
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Because Charles is an Heir to the throne and Camilla comes from one of the oldest British aristocratic families, they can can away with a lot just by the virtue of their birth
Megan is a divorced soap opera American actress - British taxpayers should not have to support her
British tax payers are not one unified group with an unified opinion, we have nor should we we have any say in who Harry should marry.
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:25 PM
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I would agree with you if it was up to the British taxpayer to determine who Harry marries and would actually be the sole support of her life with Harry. Seeing as neither of those are applicable in this case, it doesn't ring true with me.

Meghan could be a fortune teller with a traveling circus going from town to town and if Harry deems that is good enough for him and its who he wants, that's good enough for me.
yes, but why have the Royal Family then, if it's a just a half Royal half common. In a few generations, it will be just another common family - if they want to stay Royal, then they have to have Royal blood, and it's getting thinner every time they bring a commoner into it. They can't have it both ways, either they are Royal or at least noble/aristocratic or they are not. British women should not have to curtsy to Meghan Markle ( an American ) , that's just ridiculous.
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:25 PM
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So actors and actresses who appear in Drama series on cable networks aren't actors and actresses? Perhaps you should argue that out with the producers of those shows! Acting is a profession in which there is a 95% unemployment rate at any one time. Would you characterise Cressida Bonas (another ex of Harry's) as an actress? After all, she's appeared on the London stage in a few productions. An actress? Or are only people who appear in prestigious productions 'true' actors and actresses.

Meghan has made her living from film and TV roles since the early 2000's. She's appeared in small parts in eleven films. She's also had roles in TV films and other shows. Not an actress, then, remembering the huge unemployment rate in the profession?

There are huge differences between Meghan and Princess Sofia. Without going into excruciating details, Sofia was a nude model for men's magazines as a teenager. She was a Miss Slitz in Sweden. She appeared in an extremely tacky reality show in which she kissed another woman. She, again without going into detail, led a very colourful private life during this time.

Slight differences? Can you point me to any nude modelling for men's magazines that Meghan has done? Any reality show work in which she showed herself off, to put it politely!

I know nothing about Bonas except she was said to be Harry´s girlfriend for a while - so I do not know what she did or if she was an actress or not. To tell you the truth I don´t care.

No, by just standing on stage in a prestigious production without talent does not make an actor/ actress. But being appointed to a prestigious show or piece makes it pretty probable being talented cause otherwise you won´t have chances to be chosen to do the job.
But I´m not here on this board argueing about the profession of actors or wannabes....
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:27 PM
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Because Charles is an Heir to the throne and Camilla comes from one of the oldest British aristocratic families, they can can away with a lot just by the virtue of their birth
Megan is a divorced soap opera American actress - British taxpayers should not have to support her
I am not debating the points any longer!!


Harry is going to EXACTLY what he wants to do! And we all know it!! And he should! He doesn't care what you or anyone else thinks!

That KP statement he had released made that point clear to the British public.

If Harry decides to marry Meghan, there is not one thing you or anyone else can do about it!
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:32 PM
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At this point, its time for this thread to calm down. Surely we can have a civil discussion without the ALL CAPs and the constant exclamation points.

If that is not possible, than we will have to do what is necessary so that it is possible to have a civil discussion.
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:35 PM
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I couldn't care less if he marries her or not but issues, such as what the state if this marriage will be in the eyes of the Church of England, do matter as the British Monarchy, to which Harry belongs, has a significant link to it. I've got to laugh at the irony of people insisting that monarchies should be all modern in this day and age. The very idea of a family that is taxpayer funded and unelected is technically ridiculous but if we're going to have this old fashioned notion then we can't expect it to go hand in hand with modern ways of thinking. People who want to retain royal families simply don't want to have seen their princesses simulating sex scenes and being divorced etc. I have nothing against Meghan or Sophia of Sweden, as another example, but as I have said before, for those who hate Monarchy they hate it and that is that but people who support it have certain expectations and if they are not met you also lose your supporters and the end won't be far away. I don't say this as a condemnation of individuals but as an acknowledgement of the way things are. Similarly, will Harry be judged for his past relationships and naked behaviour in the same way Meghan is? No way. Is it fair? No. Does that sound old fashioned? Yes. Is it the truth nonetheless? Absolutely.
So very well put, Sophie! I agree with you 100%. Don´t understand Harry doesn´t seem to have these instincts. If he wants to sleep with her, fine! But thinking about marriage is just laughable!
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:42 PM
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I am not debating the points any longer!!


Harry is going to EXACTLY what he wants to do! And we all know it!! And he should! He doesn't care what you or anyone else thinks!

That KP statement he had released made that point clear to the British public.

If Harry decides to marry Meghan, there is not one thing you or anyone else can do about it!
this is from my earlier post -
he can marry her of course but: why have the Royal Family then, if it's a just a half Royal half common. In a few generations, it will be just another common family - if they want to stay Royal, then they have to have Royal blood, and it's getting thinner every time they bring a commoner into it. They can't have it both ways, either they are Royal or at least noble/aristocratic or they are not. British women should not have to curtsy to Meghan Markle ( an American ) , that's just ridiculous.
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:42 PM
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Someone said she didn't have anyone between her marriage and Harry. I thought there was hockey player, a golfer , and a well known chef who she was with when Harry first started texting her. Also I haven't read where she was married but guess it wasn't a church still not sure that means she wasn't married by the Church of England. This has most likely been asked before but as we don't know what religion she is but guessing not CoE would she have to agree to bring any children up CoE


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The hockey player came out after the relationship rumors started. She was taking some serious beating by the media. Both her rep and the hockey player's rep came out and said they haven't even been in the same room alone. And as for Rory? That was denied long ago. The celebrity chef was the second long term relationship.
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Old 12-16-2016, 08:04 PM
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this is from my earlier post -
he can marry her of course but: why have the Royal Family then, if it's a just a half Royal half common. In a few generations, it will be just another common family - if they want to stay Royal, then they have to have Royal blood, and it's getting thinner every time they bring a commoner into it. They can't have it both ways, either they are Royal or at least noble/aristocratic or they are not. British women should not have to curtsy to Meghan Markle ( an American ) , that's just ridiculous.
It used to be a long, long time ago that the idea of the "blood royal" was considered to be passed down through the female line and in order for the Pharaoh to be a legitimate king, he needed to marry his sister or half sister in order to rule. Science has since found out that intermarriage within blood lines is really not a great idea and we just have to look to the Habsburgs to confirm this.

Today the monarchy is an institution more than it is a bloodline and we've become intellectually advanced to the point where marriages are made between two people that choose to make that commitment rather than for alliances and land grabs.

If I'm not mistaken, it is no longer a requirement to curtsy to anyone and is done by choice out of respect should one choose to do so.

Just for the halibut, it may be interesting to note that Harry also has American blood. His great-great grandmother was an American socialite by the name of Frances Work.
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Old 12-16-2016, 08:05 PM
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this is from my earlier post -
he can marry her of course but: why have the Royal Family then, if it's a just a half Royal half common. In a few generations, it will be just another common family - if they want to stay Royal, then they have to have Royal blood, and it's getting thinner every time they bring a commoner into it. They can't have it both ways, either they are Royal or at least noble/aristocratic or they are not. British women should not have to curtsy to Meghan Markle ( an American ) , that's just ridiculous.
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But British Princes began to marry commoners after World War One (and Earls' daughters are commoners in one sense, not royals.) Does Harry have to marry a peer's daughter or a foreign princess then, to meet some criteria, even if he isn't in love with her?

Do Danes object to curtseying to Crown Princess Mary who is Australian born (a foreigner) and a commoner before marriage ? Or to Princess Marie, Prince Joachim's wife, who was French? Queen Maxima has no royal blood and is also not from the Netherlands. She was Argentinian. Do other royals object to curtseying to her when they meet? I think not!


A Royal wife takes on the status of her husband when they marry (unless she has a higher title.) There are no morganatic marriages in England. Before any marriage to Harry Meghan will, I am sure, become a naturalised British citizen, so it will be English women curtseying to an English woman.

Not that there is much curtseying going on nowadays, even when meeting the Queen, who is half Scottish and the product of a union that would have been considered unequal under the rules of many pre-war Royal families.
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Old 12-16-2016, 08:08 PM
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this is from my earlier post -
he can marry her of course but: why have the Royal Family then, if it's a just a half Royal half common. In a few generations, it will be just another common family - if they want to stay Royal, then they have to have Royal blood, and it's getting thinner every time they bring a commoner into it. They can't have it both ways, either they are Royal or at least noble/aristocratic or they are not. British women should not have to curtsy to Meghan Markle ( an American ) , that's just ridiculous.
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I would hardly call marrying a foreign commoner modern. The Denmark family did that almost two decades ago with the then Alexandra Manley. Then Crown Princess Mary, and then Princess Marie. The days of inbreeding between royals and aristocracy are over, and thank god for that. Btw, did you have a problem with Duchess of Cambridge as well since she was a commoner? Or is this an American thing?
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Old 12-16-2016, 08:49 PM
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I would hardly call marrying a foreign commoner modern. The Denmark family did that almost two decades ago with the then Alexandra Manley. Then Crown Princess Mary, and then Princess Marie. The days of inbreeding between royals and aristocracy are over, and thank god for that. Btw, did you have a problem with Duchess of Cambridge as well since she was a commoner? Or is this an American thing?
I did have a problem with the Duchess of Cambridge, they are plenty of princesses and aristocrats to choose from. With Meghan it's more so because of an American thing. Americans did not want the British Monarchy, they went to war in order to get rid of us, why should they now be able to have an American born princess - I find it ironic to say the least. And we should not compare continental monarchies to the BRF. Not the same status or history or influence at all.
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I did have a problem with the Duchess of Cambridge, they are plenty of princesses and aristocrats to choose from. With Meghan it's more so because of an American thing. Americans did not want the British Monarchy, they went to war in order to get rid of us, why should they now be able to have an American born princess - I find it ironic to say the least. And we should not compare continental monarchies to the BRF. Not the same status or history or influence at all.
Wait....what

Because the American founders decided in 1776 to form a democracy as opposed to a monarchy, a girl who was born over two hundred years later...meets and dates [because that's all it is at this point] member of the British Royal family doesn't get the option to marry [if this even becomes an option] because something that was decided centuries ago

Oh, and they didn't go to war to get rid of us...we went to war to declare our independence.

I have been around for a long time and there have been many many discussions on almost every royal/commoner courtship/marriage in the last ten years with those who are in favor or against the relationship for a variety of different reasons. I have never had someone [in this case Meaghan] found to be wanting or not qualified because of circumstances completely out of her control.

I am completely outdone.
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:05 PM
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There's no such thing as 'royal blood'. The BRF isn't any more noble or royal than any other person in the world. They just had the luck (or bad luck considering how they live in a fish bowl) to be born into a family that is in some form of monarchy in their country.

The Brit nobles have been marrying commoners for awhile now (many Americans in that mix).

In this day and age it's just surprising that there are people who think the BRF (or any royal family) have some sort of superior bloodlines. Really?


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