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Old 12-15-2016, 06:56 PM
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I don't think she looks miserable. Cold, maybe! I think she's looking down at where she's stepping while Harry is talking. After all, there is absolutely no reason for Meghan to be by Harry's side if she doesn't want to be.

That photo is a split couple of seconds in time taken by a passerby in a bus, as a young couple in love make their way to a theatre date. Absolutely no reason for Meghan to be miserable IMO, and if she'd been grinning her head off observers would be saying 'What a publicity hound! She knew she would be photographed!' She can't win!
Exactly.

I highly doubt she'd make all this effort to travel to see Harry, have paparazzi camping outside her house, have her family & friends get called by the tabloids, if she was miserable.

If someone isn't smiling, it doesn't mean they're unhappy.
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Old 12-15-2016, 06:57 PM
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I loved the photo of the sun. Harry is happy and relaxed and Meghan seems to enjoy . I'm sure her will be in London for the whole week. After Christmas they must meet again. How romantic!If she's miserable next to Harry, then poor of us lol lol
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Old 12-15-2016, 09:21 PM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Christmas.html

It looks like they were hand and as they walked.
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Old 12-15-2016, 09:46 PM
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The Telegraph says they did not plan on walking but their car was stuck in traffic. In the Daily Fail article it looks like Harry is talking to the RPO who is in front of them.
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Old 12-15-2016, 10:01 PM
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She may well be aware people are around with camera's...and trying to avoid the pics. Looks like her upper body is slightly turned away from the camera.


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Old 12-15-2016, 11:00 PM
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I should imagine they will spend time together before Christmas together at KP but, we don't even know if Harry has any official obligations before or during Christmas itself. That he would not take his girlfriend to Sandringham is a given, however, I would not be at all surprised to see both of them on the slopes at Verbier before or over the New Year.
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Old 12-16-2016, 04:04 AM
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It'll be lonely this Christmas for Prince Harry as Meghan, William and Kate all celebrate elsewhere

Why doesn't Harry just fly to California with Meghan since his brother and his family will be with the Middletons this year?
Because maybe Harry wants to spend Christmas with his father, grandparents and cousins? Just because the Cambridges won't be at Sandringham this year, doesn't mean Harry will be sitting alone at a 20-person dinner table with no-one but Jeeves the Butler for company wondering where his life went wrong.
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Old 12-16-2016, 06:27 AM
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If they wanted, they could enjoy the romance out of the public eye in one of the many country estates, having complained about the press being intrusive.
So obviously they are ok with the attention. And why not? Harry has always been the rebel, Meghan is talk of the town what can't be bad for her career, the monarchy appears 'modern' and even the DM is allowed to print pictures without a 'privacy' outcry.
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Old 12-16-2016, 08:03 AM
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I don't think there was ever a complaint about normal press and public curiosity, or being seen out and about. How is that for a relationship, to hide away and never go out together?

Harry adressed 3 quite specific issues; the paparazzi trying to break into her home, the racist undertones and straight out sexism and Meghan's mother being harassed. Didn't he say, that he understands the curiosity to his private life? I don't think that was the issue at all.
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Old 12-16-2016, 08:09 AM
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Harry has always had boundaries, just like any other royal. When the Mirror published pics of him and Cressida at the Royal Albert Hall in 2014, Harry complained to the PCC and had the pics removed.
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Old 12-16-2016, 08:31 AM
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I don't think there was ever a complaint about normal press and public curiosity, or being seen out and about. How is that for a relationship, to hide away and never go out together?

Harry adressed 3 quite specific issues; the paparazzi trying to break into her home, the racist undertones and straight out sexism and Meghan's mother being harassed. Didn't he say, that he understands the curiosity to his private life? I don't think that was the issue at all.
True, there is a difference between privacy and being harassed. Clearly the press crossed that line.

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I don't think she looks miserable. Cold, maybe! I think she's looking down at where she's stepping while Harry is talking. After all, there is absolutely no reason for Meghan to be by Harry's side if she doesn't want to be.

That photo is a split couple of seconds in time taken by a passerby in a bus, as a young couple in love make their way to a theatre date. Absolutely no reason for Meghan to be miserable IMO, and if she'd been grinning her head off observers would be saying 'What a publicity hound! She knew she would be photographed!' She can't win!
In other pictures you can see that the RPO is listening to Harry, so since they got out of the car to walk to the theatre I would assume that maybe Harry was pointing out where it was located.
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:27 AM
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Hypothetical situation: would the media/public be more "okay" with Prince Harry marrying a widow instead of a divorcee? Would there be a difference?
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:43 AM
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of course there is a difference. Not that I am saying there is anything wrong with a divorcee because I am not.

No one is expecting him to marry a virgin. Any girl in her thirties is going to have had dated plain and simple. Having taken the next step and been married, a much larger commitment is another matter.

Divorces bring up the issue of commitment. She has already had one failed marriage, how long will this one last? Then there is also the religious issue. The church of England only recognizes divorces on a case to case basis. Is she still considered married in their eyes since her ex is alive? There will be some traditionalists who would say yes. Nonsense since the future king and his wife are both divorced and her ex was alive even they wed. Not to mention Anne. Harry will never be king, so like Anne, divorce should be no issue.

On the other hand a widow lost her husband. She didnt choose to leave her husband. There aren't the same questions about lack of commitment or doubts of why it broke up. And no question of church support, as former spouse is dead.
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Old 12-16-2016, 12:04 PM
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A divorce is a red flag especially when you look a little deeper- she dated the first husband seven years, married in Sept 2011, split May 2013, divorced Aug 2013. They didn't even make to second anniversary.

That would be a PR disaster if a royal couple did that.

A widow can't control what happened to her husband.
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Old 12-16-2016, 12:05 PM
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of curse there is a difference. Not that I am saying there is anything wrong with a divorcee because I am not.

No one is expecting him to marry a virgin. Any girl in her thirties is going to have had dated plain and simple. Having taken the next step and been married, a much larger commitment is another matter.

Divorces bring up the issue of commitment. She has already had one failed marriage, his long will this one last? Then there is also the religious issue. The church if England only recognizes divorces on a case to case basis. Is she still considered married in their eyes since her ex is alive? There will be some traditionalists who would say yes. Nonsense since the future king and his wife are both divorced and her ex was alive even they wed. Not to mention Anne. Harry will never be king, so like Anne, divorce should be no issue.

On the other hand a widow lost her husband. She dudnt choose to leave her husband. There aren't the same questions about lack of commitment or doubts if why it broke up. And no question of church support, as former spouse is dead.
This point has come up before, but I don't believe anyone offered much insight to it. Meghan was never married in the CoE. If she converts, and if her and Harry get to that point and wish to marry under CoE. Would that still be an issue? I think that's how Letizia was able to marry in Catholic church even though she was divorced.
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Old 12-16-2016, 12:08 PM
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The fact that she's divorced isn't really an issue within the royal family. His father, stepmother, aunt, and uncle are divorced. It happens.
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Old 12-16-2016, 12:09 PM
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A divorce is a red flag especially when you look a little deeper- she dated the first husband seven years, married in Sept 2011, split May 2013, divorced Aug 2013. They didn't even make to second anniversary.

That would be a PR disaster if a royal couple did that.

A widow can't control what happened to her husband.
She's been getting a lot of flack for her past because some thinks it's a reflection on her ability to commit. She has been in two relationships since her early 20s. The relationship that ended in a short marriage was one that lasted almost a decade. And then there is one more somewhat long term relationship between that and Harry. From what we've heard, her marriage started having problems soon after the wedding because they are based in two cities, and her other relationship was strained for months before the break up. I just don't see how anyone can question her ability to commit if the girl consistently has shown she can commit but sometimes things just don't work out. Yet, no one seems to be questioning Harry's ability to commit. And really, the only difference is she actually married the guy whereas he never married Chelsea.
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Old 12-16-2016, 12:19 PM
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This point has come up before, but I don't believe anyone offered much insight to it. Meghan was never married in the CoE. If she converts, and if her and Harry get to that point and wish to marry under CoE. Would that still be an issue? I think that's how Letizia was able to marry in Catholic church even though she was divorced.
Letizia didn't convert, she was always Catholic.

You can't compare the two. The Catholic Church and Church of England are very different. The Catholic Church doesn't recognize divorce. If a Catholic couple is divorced, neither would be allowed to remarry in the church, until one of them died. Unless they apply for an annulment. Unlike a divorce, an annulment means the marriage never happened, never existed. Letizia never had to apply for this. The Catholic Church doesnt recognize civil marriages. So she was never considered to be married by the church, in the eyes of the church she was not divorced. Civilly she was required to divorce, or she would have been a bigamist. But for her marriage to Felipe, only church marriage mattered,

The Church of England recognized both civil marriages and those performed in other religions. Just as Charles and camillas is recognized though civil. And Anne and Tim is though performed by the Church of Scotland. So even if Meghan was married civilly, in England she is seen as a divorcee.
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Old 12-16-2016, 12:38 PM
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Letizia didn't convert, she was always Catholic.

You can't compare the two. The Catholic Church and Church of England are very different. The Catholic Church doesn't recognize divorce. If a Catholic couple is divorced, neither would be allowed to remarry in the church, until one of them died. Unless they apply for an annulment. Unlike a divorce, an annulment means the marriage never happened, never existed. Letizia never had to apply for this. The Catholic Church died the recognize civil marriages. So she was never considered to be married by the church, in the eyes of the church she was not divorced. Civilly she was required to divorce, or she would have been a bigamist. But for her marriage to Felipe, only church marriage mattered,

The Church of England recognized both civil marriages and those performed in other religions. Just as Charles and camillas is recognized though civil. And Anne and Tim is though performed by the Church of Scotland. So even if Meghan was married civilly, in England she is seen as a divorcee.
I know Letizia didn't convert and was always Catholic. My comparison was more on the Catholic Church not recognizing her first marriage. I didn't know the CoE recognized all marriages.
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Old 12-16-2016, 12:38 PM
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She was in a ten year long relationship, that doesn't suggest she's unable to commit.

I've been reading around a bit on the net, and there are such unrealistic ecpectations for the woman Harry should marry. She should be a woman not over the age of 25, with supermodel looks, have a PhD, but lived her life like a nun, but possess the wisdom and life experience (without actually living that life) of a grandmother. The restrictions and limitations for the women the royals can marry, and the life changes the future spouse has to do, seriously limits options.

IMO Harry is a catch, but with the restrictions and rules and limits his position brings, he's lucky if he finds a woman, whom he adores, who inspires him, who adores and likes him back, and wants to be with him long term, marry him etc, even after all the 'no can't do's put in fromt of her. A woman with Meghan's 'past' is a dream scenario, IMO, her worst past offences being a silly IG post of two bananas, and two past long term relationships.
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