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Old 09-13-2015, 07:48 PM
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Prince Harry: Relationship Suggestions and Musings 2015

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Whether people understand or accept it or not the monarch is the 'Defender of the Faith and Supreme Governor of the Church of England'....it may have been acceptable decades ago for men to run around siring bastards far and wide but it's not acceptable now.

For the monarch's son's etc to engage in that behavior would cause an issue. Look at what all went on when Charles wanted to marry Camilla.



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Old 09-13-2015, 08:31 PM
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Can we stop calling children/people bastards, please. Forget the Church of England, I find that unacceptable.
I agree. I am bored out of my mind by political correctness in general, but that feels like an ugly way to describe innocent children in the 21st century.

For the record, yes there were/are children born out of wedlock in the modern BRF. Princess Alexandra's daughter Marina Ogilvy Mowatt went this route and as someone else pointed out there are the Lascelles.

The Windsors might not have as many "illegitimate" children as they did in the past but it is absurd to pretend that they operate on some higher moral plane. Fornication, pre marital shacking up,adultery and divorce is just as much the status quo in this particular Royal family as any other and in a few comparisons it's worse than other Royal families.
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Old 09-13-2015, 08:55 PM
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Marina was on the way to having an illegitimate child but she married before the child was actually born - married in February and child born in May.


I remember there was an outcry at the time that she was going to have this child out of wedlock and so pressure was brought to bear on her to marry the child's father before the child was born (Zenouska was the child by the way). The couple were only married for 7 years and had the two children. Zenouska is currently 55th in the line of succession to the throne ahead of any of the descendants of Princess Mary, George V's daughter.
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Old 09-13-2015, 08:56 PM
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But Illegimate children are not. Even with the worst of the queens children's behavior they never crossed that line. Those people mentioned are so far down the line it is ludicrous to compare them with senior Royal family and the way they operate.
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Old 09-13-2015, 09:07 PM
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I suppose it's commendable that they didn't "cross that line" but I still don't see what is so much worse about children out of wedlock than open adultery?

Both scenarios involve the destruction of or the flouting of societal and religious norms regarding the sanctity of marriage and family.

But the point is moot. Harry has stated publically that in due time he wants a WIFE and children, not a live-in mistress and children.
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Old 09-13-2015, 09:38 PM
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The unwed royals have their "getting the cookie time", but are very careful and pretty responsible.
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Old 09-13-2015, 10:40 PM
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Well no children born out of wedlock that we know about !!!! 😉


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Old 09-13-2015, 11:13 PM
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Have you seen or even heard of The current BRF having an illegitimate child? Phillip? Any of his sons?


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There has been at least one unsubstantiated claim about Charles.

There has also been the child of Mark Philip's while still married to Anne. This one is confirmed by DNA testing.

There have been rumours about Philip for years - that he is the father of Helene Cordet's children for instance.

None have been substantiated but the rumours are there nonetheless.
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:33 PM
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Rumors and claims are a dime a dozen. I would take them with a whole Dead Sea full of salt.
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:46 PM
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Rumors and claims are a dime a dozen. I would take them with a whole Dead Sea full of salt.
Especially if you're being paid to tell to them without proof
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Old 09-14-2015, 12:10 AM
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It's pretty much an open secret that the current Queen's late flamboyant, drug addicted uncle George Duke of Kent was the father of Michael Canfield, adopted son of publisher Cass Canfield.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...l-parents.html

Michael was the first husband of Lee Bouvier Radziwill, sister of Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy.

But it's as royal rob said...there are no out-of-wedlock children in the current BRF that the we the public know about.
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Old 09-14-2015, 12:25 AM
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Soo... You are surmising Without any proof whatsoever that some Roysls might possibly have hidden away illegitimate kids and trying to argue because of these unproven kids it would be perfectly normal and/or fine for Harry to do the same?

Allrighty then.
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Old 09-14-2015, 12:37 AM
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Nope...not at all. A few posts up I admitted that Harry has even said that he wants a wife and children.

My comments were in response to the claims of a couple of posters that there are no children born out of wedlock among senior Royals in the BRF. That might be true, but none of us know that with 100% certainty.

How can we?
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Old 09-14-2015, 12:42 AM
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Well no children born out of wedlock that we know about !!!! ��
It's also possible there are children born out of wedlock that the RF - including the man in question - doesn't know about.
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Old 09-14-2015, 12:55 AM
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Yes, no known children. But We do know for certain no modern Royal prince has shacked up with his girl and had a couple of kids or any Royal Princess has gotten knocked up out of wedlock... The Windsors are very conservative and responsible in that regard at least so Harry doing it would not be a Normal or immediately embraced thing to them.


It is possible that a Royal bride secretly gave an out of wedlock kid up for adoption or a Royal Baby was switched at birth or..or.. Let's' not carried away. Lots of things are possible but I will assume they have no outside kids until given proof otherwise :)
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Old 09-14-2015, 01:19 AM
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Another criticism about SF was that she wasn't interested in charitable causes initially (eg she was lazy) and this might be an issue w/ Chelsy
This aspect of current royalty may undergo a change. Why is it necessary that all royal family members should go in lock-step with charitable causes?

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- she quit being a lawyer presumably because it was boring and hard work
Why 'presumably'? Do we know anything about why she shifted out? You are ascribing rather negative motives to her actions. It may be that it was that early on that Chelsy, along with Harry resigning from the military, were setting in place the conditions that would make a new life structure possible.


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- the Royal/charity gig is much the same, so that could be a real problem, IMO.
A leap, assuming charity work is boring, and hard work. As best as I can make out the 'hard work' entailed is mainly public appearances with a lot of chit-chat. This is not hard work. One has to find that kind of thing agreeable, of course, or it is brain-numbing, or as you say, boring. Deadly. Some people do like doing such, or if they don't, they make it interesting in some way. There are countless ways that I see someone like Charles (for an example) making his walkabouts interesting. Chelsy could do the same if she really felt that it was necessary to take up charity causes in the way you suggest. (I suspect Harry's wife will not have to present in the same way as William's wife is constrained to do).

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Note, I'm not criticizing her as a person, just musing that the role of Harry's wife means working for the firm and she may find that to be too boring/confining never mind the relentless scrutiny of the press.
As 'someone' has observed on this thread it looks like Chelsy has made her peace with media attention, so that's a moot point now. 'Working for the firm' may be subject to interpretation: it may mean just showing up for various public functions 2 or 3 times a year, at least for Harry's wife. Harry may carry the shank of the public duties, like Anne has done, as has been mentioned.

'Confinement' is relative. If Harry and his wife are given a freer hand in the structure of their private life, such 'confinement' can be very relaxing in it's own sphere. Using Charles as another example, he is out-and-about a great deal yet that is not reported. Same will likely be respected with Harry and his wife. JMO.
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Seeing as the majority of the BRF members are older, Harry and his wife will have to step up and help take on some of the duties. There is no way his wife will be able to do only 2-3 engagements a year.

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Why 'presumably'? Do we know anything about why she shifted out? You are ascribing rather negative motives to her actions. It may be that it was that early on that Chelsy, along with Harry resigning from the military, were setting in place the conditions that would make a new life structure possible.
Chelsy was in a serious relationship when she quit her job, so I doubt Harry had anything to do with her decision.
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Posts discussing whether Prince Harry's future wife can have a full-time job, have been moved to this thread.
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And today it's Cressida again:

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