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Old 09-13-2015, 01:35 PM
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IF they are meant to be together and she does not want royal life, isn't the best solution for them just to live together? Then she's not a royal and gets to avoid the worst of it. They would not even have to announce they are living together. If they want kids, I doubt Harry cares if they're in the line of succession or titled, so why need they marry?
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Old 09-13-2015, 01:48 PM
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Because Harry's partner will be A live in girlfriend and his kids illegitimate entitled to absolutely nothing Royal... When goes to the trooping they will what, watch, from the side lines? It is entirely possible he does not want his partner and kids intentionally or not to feel less or left out.
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If they want kids, I doubt Harry cares if they're in the line of succession or titled, so why need they marry?
Put simply - because the Windsor's aren't the Grimaldi's !
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Old 09-13-2015, 02:25 PM
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If they are getting back together, maybe he is giving up some things. Maybe Charles has agreed to allow him a life lived partly outside of Britain. Possible.



Being photographed together (if it happens) will change the focus on her. Chelsy (and Harry) know that. For them to be willing to subject Chelsy to that increased scrutiny would suggest that there has been a change. JMO.
I agree, Harry tries to be very careful of exposing his 'dates' to the press - remember all of those venues Cressida attended w/ Eugenie in order to join Harry to throw the press off? If we see a pix of Harry and Chelsy together I too would assume there's more going on than old friends reminiscing.
Regarding Harry 'giving up' some things, both Wales princes adore Africa, I suspect if Harry had not been so close to the throne and so necessary to support his brother he would have happily based himself somewhere in Africa w/ only occasional visits to England/Scotland.
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I also think they seem to be a good match at a personal level, but that doesn't mean they will necessarily work as a royal couple. I don't want to compare apples and oranges, but, from my limited knowledge of these matters (as I don't really follow them), Andrew really loved Fergie when they married and, probably, they would rather still be married to each other today if they could. Their marriage, however, didn't work for the Royal Family.
That's certainly the spin Fergie has put on things all these years - in between BFs, of course. Andrew has never said he desired to remarry the woman who flagrantly cheated on him, and has cost him a fortune, he's just never publicly repudiated her fairy tale fantasy.
One big difference between SF and Chelsy is that Chelsy's family is wealthy and Harry is as well. Sarah was never able to live w/in her means and Andrew when married to her did not have a great deal of money.
Another criticism about SF was that she wasn't interested in charitable causes initially (eg she was lazy) and this might be an issue w/ Chelsy - she quit being a lawyer presumably because it was boring and hard work - the Royal/charity gig is much the same, so that could be a real problem, IMO. Note, I'm not criticizing her as a person, just musing that the role of Harry's wife means working for the firm and she may find that to be too boring/confining never mind the relentless scrutiny of the press.
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Yes, the marriage didn't work because she openly cheated on him in the most scandalous manner. They may have still loved and forgiven each other, but it was her personal behavior that didn't work out for them, royal family or not.
Agreed, Sarah has never blamed herself or Andrew for the divorce, her spin is that forces beyond their control (eg his family - but not the Queen, who is 'best buddies' w/ Sarah per Sarah's spin) forced her and her Prince Charming apart.
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Old 09-13-2015, 02:46 PM
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IF they are meant to be together and she does not want royal life, isn't the best solution for them just to live together? Then she's not a royal and gets to avoid the worst of it. They would not even have to announce they are living together. If they want kids, I doubt Harry cares if they're in the line of succession or titled, so why need they marry?
I don't think it's necessarily fair to the children to grow up with a label of 'bastard' (and I'm sure some of the press will never let them, or their parents forget that either). Call me old-fashioned, but I believe that children should come after a couple has married. I'll bet Her Majesty would have the same opinion, and won't approve of this kind of arrangement.


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Prince Harry: Relationship Suggestions and Musings 2015

We have seen that a girlfriend or boyfriend doesn't get any status in the BRF until they are engaged. William and Kate, Mike and Zara, Peter and Autumn all lived together before they married

Without the engagement and marriage, no RPOs , no accompanying on Royal engagements or overseas tours.




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double standard?

Did/do either of HM's sons-in-law do royal duties?
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Old 09-13-2015, 03:32 PM
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Mark and Tim have accompanied Anne on tours, engagements, attended services. Tim has been on the balcony with Sophie, Camilla and Kate at Cenotaph. I seen photos of state opening of parliament with Mark and Anne.

I don't know if they ever did solo engagements by themselves. However, neither Mark or Tim have a royal title.


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Old 09-13-2015, 04:36 PM
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Put simply - because the Windsor's aren't the Grimaldi's !
Sorry, I had no idea the Windsors come to the marriage bed virginal.
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Old 09-13-2015, 05:06 PM
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That's what Charles and Camilla were doing before their marriage, and it didn't work out for them because the situation was so indefinite. Camilla wasn't allowed to sit next to Prince Charles at a wedding among their circle, and this was supposed to have been one of the things that spurred on their engagement and wedding. The situation had to be settled in one way or another.


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IF they are meant to be together and she does not want royal life, isn't the best solution for them just to live together? Then she's not a royal and gets to avoid the worst of it. They would not even have to announce they are living together. If they want kids, I doubt Harry cares if they're in the line of succession or titled, so why need they marry?
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Sorry, I had no idea the Windsors come to the marriage bed virginal.
That's not the issue though. The more modern BRF is avoiding illegitimate children.



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Old 09-13-2015, 06:55 PM
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I think when people make unkind references to Sarah they should remember, that was then and we only know what the Paps spun, and this is now. We could ask Harry of course as he has, and still does, spend time holidaying in the snow with the Yorks. All of them.
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That's not the issue though. The more modern BRF is avoiding illegitimate children.



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Since Victoria made them family friendly they have been doing that No, the press and would have a field day with Harry and his girl shacking up and all the illegitmate rug rats running around. Various sources would should to high heaven about how 'Public' money is paying for this situation, is she a gold digger ?? How he is lowering the moral tone of the RF and all sorts of nonsense.
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Old 09-13-2015, 07:10 PM
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Harry obviously want their future children have the same rights as other members of the Royal Family. It will definitely get married and then will come the children.
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Old 09-13-2015, 07:12 PM
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How do you know this?
Have you seen or even heard of The current BRF having an illegitimate child? Phillip? Any of his sons?


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Old 09-13-2015, 07:23 PM
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and what if as happens in a few years they break up after having kids? If you think Albert gets a lot of flack for his two out of wedlock kids it will be nothing to this!
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The only people with children born out of wedlock are some of the Lascelles who are descendants of Princess Mary who was George VI sister. They don't really go to Royal events.


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Old 09-13-2015, 07:31 PM
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Whether people understand or accept it or not the monarch is the 'Defender of the Faith and Supreme Governor of the Church of England'....it may have been acceptable decades ago for men to run around siring bastards far and wide but it's not acceptable now.

For the monarch's son's etc to engage in that behavior would cause an issue. Look at what all went on when Charles wanted to marry Camilla.



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Can we stop calling children/people bastards, please. Forget the Church of England, I find that unacceptable.
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