Prince Harry: Relationship Rumours and Musings 2013-2014

[Anna Catherine]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

It's not a bad thing to want a husband, a family and a semi secure future. But it shouldn't be the only thing you want. Hmmm the very recent precedent is why I liked Cressida, she has something going for her.

I disagree not just with you but with some others. I know women who "just" want to be wife and kids. There is also nothing wrong with deciding to give up your career to marry or have kids. It's all about what you. Not everyone can or wants to but if that's your choice it's just as good a decision as having a career. You make the choice not everyone else or society.

[AdmirerUS]

Originally Posted by Argie

I do not blame Cressida (strange name, btw) for having changed her priorities, whether she did so to spend more time with Harry or not. If she, indeed, left a potential career in dance to be with Harry she must have had very strong reasons to do so. We only have very superficial info about their relationship and we can not draw accurate conclusions based on that info.

On the other hand, most women who build strong careers end up wishing they had married and had children earlier in life, rather than around 40, as it often happens. I guess it's all a matter of taking risks when making life-changing decisions.

Cressida and Troilus?

[Argie]

Originally Posted by AdmirerUS

Cressida and Troilus?

1602.

[cepe]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

Yes but put your priorities in order. A girl who's first priority is to nail a Prince into marriage, doesn't have them in the right order IMO.

Maybe she isn't "nailing a prince" - such a cynical approach. Maybe she loves him. It's possible.

The comments about her "dance" career seem right to me. She may love it, and have graduated but that doesn't make her in the top elite and in such a competitive environment, that is what you need to be.

As for her new job - well the paps will be parked outside the offices and the company will get fed up with it so she may not be there for long.

[AdmirerUS]

Originally Posted by Argie

1602.

Classic!

[cepe]

Troilus and Cressida a tragedy by William Shakespeare 1602. From Wiki

Troilus and Cressida - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[sndral]

What do we really know? Zero, it is, after all the Mail. Let's assume the article is correct and she has taken a job as a PA. That does not mean she did so because of Harry. It could be she wanted or needed a paying job and was unsuccessful at finding one as a dancer. It could be that she got out of the college cacoon and realized she didn't want or wasn't talented enough to be a dancer. It could be that she wasn't comfortable w/ being in the limelight as a dancer. We also can't assume that being a dancer was her passion or even her ultimate career goal, we can assume she enjoyed dance and chose to study it, that doesn't mean she intended to pursue a career as a professional dancer. William chose to study history of art and geography then joined the military, for example. In this day and age what you study in college does not always equate w/ what your career is.
I admire the fact that she has a paying job.

[MARG]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

If the article is true in a way Cressida has gone down in my estimations, she's given up something she's studied and clearly loves so she can potentailly marry Henry? I liked that Cressida had a bit of herself about her. If her goal is to marry Henry, then I'll be looking forward to her dress and that's about it.

Goal? Is there any possibility of love for Harry, for Cressida, for each other or another?

Originally Posted by miche

She's 24 about to turn 25, that is middle-age/senior citizens age in the dance world. She most likely is being realistic if that article is true

Nailed it bang on the head. She may have decided that the stringent ongoing training was never going to pay off with her dream of sucess. Perhaps she has realised she has the heart but not the talent to make a sucessful career out of dance.

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

Yes but put your priorities in order. A girl who's first priority is to nail a Prince into marriage, doesn't have them in the right order IMO.

Since we don't know why she has given up dance as a career it seems more than a little premature to judge her motivations as vapidly shallow and grasping. Perhaps she has a injury that makes a future in dance impossible.

Originally Posted by cepe

Maybe she isn't "nailing a prince" - such a cynical approach. Maybe she loves him. It's possible.

The comments about her "dance" career seem right to me. She may love it, and have graduated but that doesn't make her in the top elite and in such a competitive environment, that is what you need to be.

As for her new job - well the paps will be parked outside the offices and the company will get fed up with it so she may not be there for long.

I agree on all three fronts.

What on earth is driving such mean spirited sniping. Is there absolutely no room for a perfectly reasonable excuse for her to have given up her career? Is there asbsolutely no room for the possibility that if she is Harry's choice it is because she loves him? And if she is not Harry's girlfriend then what do all the snipers have to say for and about themselves having vented such acid on Cressida's change in career?

[Mirabel]

Originally Posted by cepe

Troilus and Cressida a tragedy by William Shakespeare 1602. From Wiki

Troilus and Cressida - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't forget Chaucer, he used the name as well!

[wyevale]

What on earth is driving such mean spirited sniping.

The jealousy that any woman 'dating' a Prince attracts is what does it ! The bile they seem to inspire is really sometimes beyond belief.

This forum is largely free of it, but elswhere in the comment pages of the gutter press, on the social media and on other fora it is actually quite frightening.

I feel sorry for any woman at the centre of it {particularly those who aren't yet married or engaged as they aren't yet officially 'protected'.}

[AdmirerUS]

Originally Posted by wyevale

The jealousy that any woman 'dating' a Prince attracts is what does it ! The bile they seem to inspire is really sometimes beyond belief.

This forum is largely free of it, but elsewhere in the comment pages of the gutter press, on the social media and on other fora it is actually quite frightening.

I feel sorry for any woman at the centre of it {particularly those who aren't yet married or engaged as they aren't yet officially 'protected'.}

And sadly, the premise implies that Harry has nothing to offer a partner except wealth, security, a title. It is a backhanded slap at him as well.

If you are the type of woman that likes a bit of a rascal (and many of us do) he is funny, adventurous, loyal, hunky, healthy, charming, humble, a good bloke, thoughtful, values driven and anything but dull.

He's also been through adversity and seems to have improved by it. He seems to have few issues about being irrelevant barring all but the very worst of eventualities.

His situation with the press is a bit dodgy and if and when he becomes a full time royal, parts of the job will probably bore him. But he seems to deal with boredom by taking action rather than acting cranky and he has done well in the Army with fairly dull outpost lookout duty (at least dull till it gets very exciting).

He can have very bad judgement at times - and a life partner who can re-direct his high spirits will be important.

To assume only a social climbing muddle head would marry him does not do justice to the man he is. IMHO.

[cepe]

Sadly there is an element of snobbery involved when a royal considers marrying or marries a commoner. Just think of the vitriol poured on Charlene, Daniel, Catherine, Maxima, Mary, Letitizia in the early days. Yes, some are now very popular but it was difficult in the beginning. Very different for noble ladies of the right religion marrying into the families - Stephanie, Matilde and Diana.

[amaryllus]

If you want to get down to it, Cressida is a certified aristocrat herself,certainly more than Maxima and Mary.... but she does not present herself in that light but rather as a young,free spirited dancer so that part of her is not often brought up or at least not emphasized.

[cepe]

Originally Posted by amaryllus

If you want to get down to it, Cressida is a certified aristocrat herself,certainly more than Maxima and Mary.... but she does not present herself in that light but rather as a young,free spirited dancer so that part of her is not often brought up or at least not emphasized.

I wouldn't class her as an aristocrat as her father was a commoner and her mothers title is a courtesy title only.

[Moonmaiden23]

Originally Posted by cepe

Sadly there is an element of snobbery involved when a royal considers marrying or marries a commoner. Just think of the vitriol poured on Charlene, Daniel, Catherine, Maxima, Mary, Letitizia in the early days. Yes, some are now very popular but it was difficult in the beginning. Very different for noble ladies of the right religion marrying into the families - Stephanie, Matilde and Diana.

This is quite incorrect, and a fallacy imo. You apparently did not see some of the remarks and assumptions made about Mathilde and Stephanie upon the announcement of their prospective engagements ....the idea that of course the marriages must be arranged since these women were aristocrats, and perhaps the groom was even gay because of course there is no way a Prince could fall in love with a noblewoman.

The reasons Mathilde, Stephanie and Diana were not dragged through the coals was not because they were not commoners. It's because they did not come with the baggage and the controversy of quite a few of the other Royal consorts. That's not their faults.

I'm curious about what is meant by the "right" religion?

BTW, Cressida is the granddaughter of the 6th Earl Howe. According to Wiki and much of the world press, she is indeed an aristocrat.

[cepe]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

This is quite incorrect, and a fallacy imo. You apparently did not see some of the remarks and assumptions made about Mathilde and Stephanie upon the announcement of their prospective engagements ....the idea that of course the marriages must be arranged since these women were aristocrats, and perhaps the groom was gay because of course there is no way a Prince could fall in love with a noblewoman.

The reasons Mathilde, Stephanie and Diana were not dragged through the coals was not because they were not commoners. It's because they did not come with the baggage and the controversy of quite a few of the other Royal consorts. That's not their faults.

I'm curious about what is meant by the "right" religion?

Cressida is the granddaughter of the 6th Earl Howe. According to Wiki and much of the world press, she is indeed an aristocrat.

By "right" religion I mean that there was no requirement to change, not did cause controversy.. The only negative comments about Stephanie I remember were some horrible posts about how plain she was - and they were removed (quite rightly) and as for Diana - too young is the only one I can remember as it was so long ago.

Oh and the other negative brought up is the imposition of one's personal moral code onto prospective members of RF. And sadly this forum has a lot of that.

I give way to your greater knowledge re Matilde.

[BrazilianEmpire]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

BTW, Cressida is the granddaughter of the 6th Earl Howe. According to Wiki and much of the world press, she is indeed an aristocrat.

Wiki and some sectors of world press are not very reliable sources.

In my opinion, an aristocrat is someone who holds a title (which Cressida does not).

Of course, there's the concept of "untitled nobility", but that is an continental European and Brazilian thing. I don't think the Bonas family is "untitled nobility". Her mother is an aristocrat, but Cressida is just a commoner with nobel ancestors

Peter Phillips and Zara Tindall, for example, are commoners who happen to have The Queen as grandmother. Their mother being a Princess doesn't make them Royalty. So, Cressida's mother being a Lady and her grandfather an Earl will not make her an aristocrat.

[cepe]

Originally Posted by BrazilianEmpire

Wiki and some sectors of world press are not very reliables sources.

In my opinion, an aristocrat is someone who holds a titles (which Cressida does not).

Of course, there's the concept of "untitled nobility", but that is an continetal European and Brazilian thing. I don't think the Bonas family is "untitled nobility". Her mother is an aristocrat, but Cressida is just a commoner with nobel ancestor

Peter Phillips and Zara Tindall, for example, are commoners who happen to have The Queen as grandmother. Their mother being a Princess doesn't make them Royalty. So, Cressida's mother being a Lady and her grandfather an Earl will not make her an aristocrat.

Agree 100% on this.

[Moonmaiden23]

Cepe, Diana was not required to change religions because she was a member of the CoE marrying the Prince of Wales.

Mathilde was a Roman Catholic marrying a Roman Catholic, ditto Stephanie. In each case there would have been no reason to change a thing.

A quick run through of the Guillaume/Stephanie Mathilde/Philippe threads here on TRF as well as other message boards will confirm that quite a few posters posited these were indeed arranged marriage because they seemed so sudden, and because no one knew the groom(s) were dating. The sexual preferences of both men were and are questioned to this day.

This was never done in the case of non-aristocrat Letizia Rocasolano. The public didn't know they were dating until the day the engagement was announced, yet no one speculated that it was not a genuine love match.

BrazilianEmpire, my point about Cressida's title or lack of is simply that she is not considered from the working class. Her ancestors are not cab drivers, coal-miners, schoolteachers, etc.

[wyevale]

In the United Kingdom [technically] only the Peer/Peeress is noble . Their spouse, siblings, children and grandchildren may or may not have titles, but they do so by courtesy. I'm my opinion you are correct BrazilianEmpire, Ms Bonas is of noble descent, but not noble herself.