Possible Dukedom for Harry and Meghan

[Denville]

Originally Posted by padams2359

Being a red head, it might work. He is the most Irish looking since Henry VIII. Coincidence?

What does that mean? Henry VIII wasn't Irish and neither is Harry...
and I can't understand why people keep suggesting things in the Irish republic as titles....

[FashionMaven]

Originally Posted by MaiaMia_53

Right, and I still like the ring of Windsor. But as I already responded to the initial poster @FashionMaven, "there is too recent an association with Edward VIII (David)," who as we all know (because it's impossible for it to recede from memory that quickly): "abandoned his duty to his family and country." Added to this serious drawback is the fact that David had numerous character flaws and he would not have been the right person to serve as King of Great Britain during WWII. Even before he died, King George V was worried about his son David inheriting the throne.

Again, @cmsteepy made a good case for Clarence. We will definitely find out. For the poll, it looks like Sussex is winning over Clarence by about half (nonscientific).

Well, I voted for Sussex before I knew more about Clarence, so now I'm firmly hoping for Clarence. The title deserves a resurgence!!

Plus the ancestral connection to Meghan and Harry is just so *kisses fingers*...

[Furienna]

Originally Posted by FashionMaven

Well, I voted for Sussex before I knew more about Clarence, so now I'm firmly hoping for Clarence. The title deserves a resurgence!!

Plus the ancestral connection to Meghan and Harry is just so *kisses fingers*...

Sussex has been unused since 1843. Clarence has been used more recently (until 1892).

[Elly C]

Forgive me if this has already been covered somewhere earlier in this thread (it's a very long thread to search through), but is there any reliable information about how the decision of a particular dukedom made - how much of a say would the recipient have, apart from the Queen would Charles and William as future monarchs be involved? Would I be right in assuming there are some 'anonymous' constitution advisors?

[carlota]

i don't think they will choose clarence given it is quite similar to 'cambridge' so that the media and the public don't get too confused.

something like sussex or hereford doesn't sound unreasonable. maybe it is even an option that they get an earldom?

how about lancaster, somerset, exeter?

[RoyalHeiress]

I dont think Clarance would be that confusing, plus the Wales ladies can be the Duchesses of C

I would think Sussex would be more easily confused with Wessex, than Clarence and Cambridge

[Pranter]

Originally Posted by Elly C

Forgive me if this has already been covered somewhere earlier in this thread (it's a very long thread to search through), but is there any reliable information about how the decision of a particular dukedom made - how much of a say would the recipient have, apart from the Queen would Charles and William as future monarchs be involved? Would I be right in assuming there are some 'anonymous' constitution advisors?

Based on what I've seen here, it's totally up to the Queen. We don't know if she asked/asks them (William/Harry etc) for their input/views about a title beforehand or not.


LaRae

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Pranter

Based on what I've seen here, it's totally up to the Queen. We don't know if she asked/asks them (William/Harry etc) for their input/views about a title beforehand or not.


LaRae

But on the other hand is was Edward's wish to became Earl of Wessex as far as we know. And also the decision that he once will become Duke of Edinbrgh was noit a decision taken by the Queen alone as Charles has agrred to creathe Edward Duke Eindburgh when ti is availible again.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by carlota

i don't think they will choose clarence given it is quite similar to 'cambridge' so that the media and the public don't get too confused.

something like sussex or hereford doesn't sound unreasonable. maybe it is even an option that they get an earldom?

how about lancaster, somerset, exeter?

Lancaster is definitely out of the question. There is only one person that can ever be the Duke of Lancaster and that is the monarch. Right now, Queen Elizabeth II holds the title of Duke of Lancaster and it is from that duchy that she receives her personal funds.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Stefan

But on the other hand is was Edward's wish to became Earl of Wessex as far as we know. And also the decision that he once will become Duke of Edinbrgh was noit a decision taken by the Queen alone as Charles has agrred to creathe Edward Duke Eindburgh when ti is availible again.

Im sure Charles understood the queen's reasons for wanting Edinburgh to go to one of Philip's sons and saw the propriety of agreeing as I suppose he has, to create Edward Duke of Ed in time.
I have heard it said that Edward wanted earl of Wessex because he saw it in a movie.. I hope that's not true.
I think that the queen decides perhaps with input from courtiers or other members of the family and it is HER decision.

[Furienna]

Originally Posted by Denville

I have heard it said that Edward wanted earl of Wessex because he saw it in a movie.. I hope that's not true.

It seems to be derived from a character in the movie "Shakespeare in love".

[Denville]

So it is said. I hope he' isn't so foolish, as to want to take his title from a film..... It was an unsuaual title, but will be I suppose superceded by the DoE one.

[Mbruno]

Do all male children of the Prince of Wales necessarily get a dukedom ? Isn't it possible that Harry might get only an earldom instead ?

[Iluvbertie]

Originally Posted by carlota

i don't think they will choose clarence given it is quite similar to 'cambridge' so that the media and the public don't get too confused.

something like sussex or hereford doesn't sound unreasonable. maybe it is even an option that they get an earldom?

how about lancaster, somerset, exeter?

Current Duke of Lancaster won't give that title to her grandson. There are around 4000 in the line of succession to that title with Harry currently 5th in line and soon to drop to 6th.

Exeter is an extant Marquisate held by the 8th Marquis with living heirs.

Somerset is an extant Dukedom with the current 19th Duke having living heirs. The heir apparent is the same age as William.

Many of the suggested titles are actually still extant and so unavailable.

The following dukedoms are currently extant - or have a holder:

Lancaster
Cornwall
Norfolk
Somerset
Richmond
Grafton
Beufort
St Albans
Bedford
Devonshire
Marlborough
Rutland
Rothesay
Hamilton
Buccleah and Queensberry
Lennox
Argyll
Athol
Montrose
Roxburghe
Brandon
Manchester
Northumberland
Leinster
Abercorn
Wellington
Sutherland
Gordon
Fife
Gloucester
Kent
Edinburgh
York
Cambridge

There are only two of these dukedoms without heirs - York and Westminster.

We also have to throw in Cumberland and Teviotdale and Albany due to the Titles Deprivations Act these aren't in use but still have legal claimants.

Titles held as Marquisates

Winchester
Huntley
Queensberry
Tweedale
Lothian
Lansdowne
Townshend
Salisbury
Bath
Hertford
Bute
Waterford
Downshire
Donegall
Headford
Sligo
Ely
Exeter
Northampton
Camden
Anglesey
Cholmondeley
Londonderry
Conyngham
Ailsbury
Bristol
Ailsa
Normanby
Abervegenny
Zetland
Linlithgow
Aberdeen and Temair
Milford Haven
Reading

Earldoms

There are well over 100 existing earldoms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...in_and_Ireland

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Do all male children of the Prince of Wales necessarily get a dukedom ? Isn't it possible that Harry might get only an earldom instead ?

They've always been given a dukedom before, so I would feel it is unlikely that Harry will be given anything less....

[Iluvbertie]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Do all male children of the Prince of Wales necessarily get a dukedom ? Isn't it possible that Harry might get only an earldom instead ?

Prior to 1999 I would have said no way would the grandson of the monarch, through the Prince of Wales, only get an Earldom but that was before the son of the monarch was only given an Earldom.

The precedent is there for the Queen to give Harry an Earldom now and leave it until he is the son of the King to be given a Dukedom - along similar lines to what is to happen with Edward - presumably.

I would expect him to get a Dukedom but then I expected Edward to get one.

[Pranter]

But Edward has a different situation ...if the Queen/Phillip/Charles (I presume Charles might of been included) planned this out then she knew at some point he would become the DoE after his father passes. So being an Earl for a few years isn't such a big deal.

LaRae

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

Prior to 1999 I would have said no way would the grandson of the monarch, through the Prince of Wales, only get an Earldom but that was before the son of the monarch was only given an Earldom.

The precedent is there for the Queen to give Harry an Earldom now and leave it until he is the son of the King to be given a Dukedom - along similar lines to what is to happen with Edward - presumably.

I would expect him to get a Dukedom but then I expected Edward to get one.

It is apples and oranges to compare. Entirely different situations
Edward will get a Dukedom and we already know which one he will get--he will get his father's eventually, so it stays with the family.
Charles doesn't have a title that will merge with the Crown that he can give Harry after he becomes King.

Originally Posted by Furienna

It seems to be derived from a character in the movie "Shakespeare in love".

Originally Posted by Denville

So it is said. I hope he' isn't so foolish, as to want to take his title from a film..... It was an unsuaual title, but will be I suppose superceded by the DoE one.

That was from an ignorant tabloid. It is actually a very old title.

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WessexWessex was an Anglo-Saxon kingdom in the south of Great Britain, from 519 until England was unified by Æthelstan in the early 10th century.

[Mbruno]

If we look back at precedent, Prince Albert Victor was given a dukedom as the eldest son of the PoW, but his younger brother, the future King George V only became Duke of York after Albert Victor had passed if I am not mistaken,

It seems to me then that dukedoms are the norm for sons of the monarch and for the eldest living son of the PoW, but not necessarily for younger sons of the PoW,

If Harry gets an earldom now, he may be given another available dukedom when Charles becomes king,.

[O-H Anglophile]

When did George III's son's get their dukedoms, from their father or grandfather?

A precedent/tradition is difficult to determine. Adult sons of a Prince of Wales have not occurred very often.