Possible Dukedom for Harry and Meghan - Page 19

Zaira · #**361** 12-17-2017, 04:22 PM

I actually do like Sussex, but feel the media will have an absolute field day. I already shutter at the DM headlines *eyeroll*

I like Clarence and it would continue the 'C' trend for the Wales' lol. I read somewhere that Clarence and Avondale could be combined?

In my ideal world, I LOVE Windsor for the title, but I have feeling it will be a cold day in hell before HM grants that to someone. But it is lovely and elegant and also is a nice tribute to a place that seems special to Harry and Meghan.

I also think it is possible Harry may turn down a title.

Denville · #**362** 12-17-2017, 04:27 PM

he certainly wotn turn down a title.. it is an honour from the queen to him and his bride and a sign that he's now a mature person and a fully functioning royal.

Pranter · #**363** 12-17-2017, 04:32 PM

I am pulling for Clarence however my long shot is Windsor. I know it's not likely..but I still like the idea.

LaRae

Missjersey · #**364** 12-17-2017, 05:31 PM

I’m rooting for Windsor- knowing it’s a long shot due to it’s history but still rooting.

ACO · #**365** 12-17-2017, 06:00 PM

I think Sussex is happening. I am not the biggest fan though.

So do we think the Queen will keep the letters the same and the kids will be Lady/Lord?

Osipi · #**366** 12-17-2017, 06:09 PM

I think a lot of whether the kids are princ/ess or lord/lady resides mainly with Harry and Meghan themselves. I would imagine that the Queen has had a talk about all this with the couple themselves and will act according to their wishes.

I definitely think that Harry will be created a royal duke on the day of his marriage but anything concerning the couple's kids and letters patent right now is totally up in the air as there's a lot of ways they can go with this. We'll find out on the wedding day. Another big thing to look forward to.

**Somebody** · #**367** 12-17-2017, 06:16 PM

Prior to the Letters Patent of George V, their children -as great grandchildren of the monarch in male-line- would have been styled as Highnesses (instead of royal highnesses) if I am not mistaken. For example king George VI himself was born as HH prince Albert of York.

ACO · #**368** 12-17-2017, 06:21 PM

IIRC the letters were changed when Kate was pregnant to allow the children to all have the HRH title. Only George would have had it, not Charlotte without it. It doesn't apply to Harry though unless she changes it. Once HM passes and Charles takes over then then Harry's kids would automatically get the HRCH title. But you are right, I assume that is very much up to Harry and Meghan in the end regardless.

Countessmeout · #**369** 12-17-2017, 06:33 PM

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As I recall Philip attended K Hahn's school before it moved to Scotland?

Yes, he attended Schule Schloss Salem, which was run by Kurt Hahn in Baden-Wurrtenberg, Germany. Kurt Hahn founded the school with the financial support of Prince Maximillian of Baden, the father in law of Philip's sister Theodora. Philip was able to attend it for free because of his brother in law. He spent 2 terms there but eventually went to Gordonstoun.

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I’m rooting for Windsor- knowing it’s a long shot due to it’s history but still rooting.

More then a long shot, more chance of man colonizing Mars in 20 years. There is no chance the queen will recreate that title in her life time. Too many memories of her Uncle.

Missjersey · #**370** 12-17-2017, 06:41 PM

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yes, he attended schule schloss salem, which was run by kurt hahn in baden-wurrtenberg, germany. Kurt hahn founded the school with the financial support of prince maximillian of baden, the father in law of philip's sister theodora. Philip was able to attend it for free because of his brother in law. He spent 2 terms there but eventually went to gordonstoun.

More then a long shot, more chance of man colonizing mars in 20 years. There is no chance the queen will recreate that title in her life time. Too many memories of her uncle.

jeepers! Jeepers!

Osipi · #**371** 12-17-2017, 06:47 PM

I think I better book my ticket now for colonization on Mars. I'd really like to be the first person to have their ashes scattered on Mars.

It does still remain possible that the Queen could choose to create Harry as The Duke of Windsor. If everything I've read is true, the Queen has very fond memories of her Uncle David. What happened with the abdication was a horror for the monarchy but I think she'd be wise enough to know that it was David, himself, that brought that about and doesn't make the title Duke of Windsor *unlucky* by any means.

I still don't think it'll happen in the Queen's or even Charles' lifetime but the possibility that it *could* happen does exist.

Missjersey · #**372** 12-17-2017, 06:54 PM

Well my gut thinks it’ll be Sussex. However, OT I’m always curious if Earl of Wessex will get DoE as promised should HM go first (not trying to sound morbid)

O-H Anglophile · #**373** 12-17-2017, 07:11 PM

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I’m rooting for Windsor- knowing it’s a long shot due to it’s history but still rooting.

I really hope not. It conjures up a lot of bad stuff.

Pranter · #**374** 12-17-2017, 07:12 PM

Yes I think Edward with become the DoE either way.

I was thinking that too Osipi, the Queen was reported to have warm feelings toward her Uncle and got along with him/Wallis. So...I'm still not discounting the idea totally. I just think it would be very neat for them to be the D&D of Windsor..they both love Windsor and are even marrying there....so....

LaRae

cepe · #**375** 12-17-2017, 07:13 PM

No chance of Windsor IMO. There is something off about HMQ deciding to give a young man about to marry an American woman (with your blessing) the same title that was given to your unlamented uncle who married an American woman without anyones blessing.

I've noticed that a lot of overseas posters are concerned about SusSEX
Don't be - this country has managed for over 1000 years with Wessex, Essex, and Sussex.

A couple of tabloids might make a joke about it for 24 hours and then it will go away. I don't remember it being an issue for Edward being made Earl of Wessex.

EDIT: British pronounce it Sussix

Countessmeout · #**376** 12-17-2017, 07:17 PM

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I think I better book my ticket now for colonization on Mars. I'd really like to be the first person to have their ashes scattered on Mars.

It does still remain possible that the Queen could choose to create Harry as The Duke of Windsor. If everything I've read is true, the Queen has very fond memories of her Uncle David. What happened with the abdication was a horror for the monarchy but I think she'd be wise enough to know that it was David, himself, that brought that about and doesn't make the title Duke of Windsor *unlucky* by any means.

I still don't think it'll happen in the Queen's or even Charles' lifetime but the possibility that it *could* happen does exist.

While almost all titles have a bad history, choosing a bad history that there are people living today remember in a first hand basis is another matter. She may have adored her uncle, but his choices caused long lasting affects for her and her family, especially her dad, and the country.

Windsor was chosen for a reason for Edward. It was a new title. They didn't want to give away an old traditional title to Edward considering what happened. Gives even more credence to the belief, that if anyone ever remakes the title it will be George or further down who does.

It is said time heals all wounds. Don't see enough time having passed.

Edward will be DOE, even if the queen went first. He would just have to wait longer. When it merges with the throne with Charles, it will be recreated for Edward. Charles will honor his mother's wishes on that.

Pranter · #**377** 12-17-2017, 07:20 PM

A friend of mine from the upper Midwest moved to the east coast (VA) and ran into all those quaint towns (Suffolk etc) ...it took her forever to understand what they were saying and that it wasn't an dirty word!

LaRae

cmsteepy · #**378** 12-17-2017, 07:21 PM

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Ok this is really interesting info....I'm a fan of Clarence as the pick so I'm all for it!

LaRae

The more I read on this subject in this thread about the perceptions of the Clarence title, the less concerned I am becoming. The negative connotations of former holders of the Clarence title were no more or less troublesome than any other former ducal title holder. When I voted in the poll, I voted for Sussex simply because I felt it's reputation was less tarnished, even though I was making the case for Clarence. Now, I don't feel the same way. Can I change my vote? :)

Pranter · #**379** 12-17-2017, 07:25 PM

I kept pointing that out early on...all the titles have something negative connected to them. Clarence isn't any worse than the rest.

LaRae

cepe · #**380** 12-17-2017, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cmsteepy

The more I read on this subject in this thread about the perceptions of the Clarence title, the less concerned I am becoming. The negative connotations of former holders of the Clarence title were no more or less troublesome than any other former ducal title holder. When I voted in the poll, I voted for Sussex simply because I felt it's reputation was less tarnished, even though I was making the case for Clarence. Now, I don't feel the same way. Can I change my vote? :)

I accept what you say but with one caveat. That is if the negatives are within living memory. So that's why I do not think Windsor will happen.

If Clarence is the choice then media will play with it for 48 hours and then the noise will go away. It cant be any worse than choosing a wedding day that is an anniversary of the beheading of Anne Boleyn by Henry or the one and only time England was declared a Republic (commonwealth).