Possible Dukedom for Harry and Meghan

[Gaudete]

Ultimately it’s an approach that would lead to the end of political impartiality. What happens if two out of the three MPs of the Duchy oppose Harry’s schemes or priorities? What about the people who live in the Duchy? Do they vote on what Harry does or does not do for them and for the area as a whole? What if Sussex does better than York? Can another member of the Royal Family replace a Duke who isn’t doing his fair share? What responsibilities, duties, rights and obligations does a royal Duke have over his Duchy? What budget? And who decides it all? Does each Duchy have its own constitution?

I cannot see how demanding that a peer (especially a royal one) must dedicate every effort to improving their Duchy would end in anything other than resentment, division and chaos.

[Dman]

I’m in major favor of the titles of TRH The Duke and Duchess of Clarence.

[lady of hay]

Clarence gets my vote as well.

[Pranter]

That's my pick too Dman.


LaRae

[Dman]

It’s the pick I had for the Cambridge’s as well. I just think the Duke and Duchess of Clarence have a nice ring to it. Or even the Earl and Countess of Clarence.

[Pranter]

I have to say I do like Cambridge. I say keep the C theme going!!! lol


LaRae

[lady of hay]

Originally Posted by Pranter

I have to say I do like Cambridge. I say keep the C theme going!!! lol


LaRae

Earl and Countess of Cambridge ??

[Pranter]

No I mean we have the Cambridges...now add the Clarences!


LaRae

[Dman]

Cambridge fitted very well with William and Catherine. I think Clarence would fit very well with Harry and Meghan. Of course the couple will work with The Queen on their future titles ahead of the wedding.

[lady of hay]

Originally Posted by Pranter

No I mean we have the Cambridges...now add the Clarences!


LaRae

That's me being a bit daft .
Might not be the right thread , but what about a coat of arms ? Catherine used her fathers with Williams, I understand.

[Pranter]

Originally Posted by lady of hay

That's me being a bit daft .
Might not be the right thread , but what about a coat of arms ? Catherine used her fathers with Williams, I understand.

Ha we all have daft moments!

I'm not sure how they will do it...they'd have to create a coat of arms for Meghan. Will be interesting to see what they do.


LaRae

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by wyevale

I can find no information on any current Earl of Windsor or on one extant during the life of the Duke of that name? Altho' there is a Viscount Windsor, a subsidiary Title of the Earls of Plymouth...

HMQ [as fount of Honours] can create Harry Duke of Nottingham IF she so chooses , but I suspect Lord Nottingham and Winchelsea might be a bit peeved as he is the eighth Earl of that name [in its current creation]!

There is an earl. The Marquess of Bute uses Earl of Windsor as a subsidiary title. The 1st earl of Plymouth had a younger son, Baron Mountjoy. When the Baron's son died, his title was extinct, but his estate was inherited by a daughter. The daughter's husband was made Marquess of Bute, Earl of Windsor in honor of her father's family.

The difference I think is that Windsor was simply a subsidiary title, one already overly used in forms. Creating a Duke of Windsor wouldn't cause much of a stir as the holders of Earl/Viscount Windsor had more senior titles to go by.

Nottingham is another matter as it is the senior title.

There are Earldoms and Dukedoms in existence for the same place. An earldom of Windsor exists - and existed during the life of the Duke of Windsor. The titles of Earl and Duke of Northumberland - and Devonshire - exist and are held by the same person.

There is a reason that Northumberland and Devonshire titles are held by the same person. It happened with other titles along the way as well. Its because an Earl of Northumberland was raised to the peerage of a duke. Instead of simply eliminating his original title, they became Duke of Devonshire, Earl of Devonshire. The current Northumberland line was elevated to Duke in 1766 and have held both since.

Different situation then granting the title to someone unrelated.

[jacqui24]

I don’t know why people would still bring the Dukedom of Windsor other than as a sly to the couple. It’s not going to happen.

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by jacqui24

I don’t know why people would still bring the Dukedom of Windsor other than as a sly to the couple. It’s not going to happen.

Exactly. In the lifetime of anyone who knew Edward, the title is not going to be used. And most certainly not for a couple who are already drawing parallels by people to Edward and Wallis. There are too many memories for the queen.

[CSENYC]

I vote for "Duke and Duchess of Washington".

Washington, DC WAS a territory ruled by the Royal Family, and nobody is currently claiming the title. Giving a duchy in North America, particularly a place where often-loathed US presidents live, would be a sign of hope for all of us that there is a better way out there.

Washington is an English name, and so it doesn't have to be read as being Washington, DC, although it could be. Even if it is read as being Washington, DC, plenty of European royal titles mention lands that the relevant Royal Family no longer controls.

If certain people in Washington, DC get offended, they should note that giving this title is no more offensive than a powerful American tweeting British fascist websites. It's a fair comeuppance.

[lady of hay]

Originally Posted by Pranter

Ha we all have daft moments!

I'm not sure how they will do it...they'd have to create a coat of arms for Meghan. Will be interesting to see what they do.


LaRae

Ha Ha , what people refer to as a Blonde moment ,eek: not even blonde !!
I am interested in what they will do for Meghan's arms.

[lady of hay]

Originally Posted by CSENYC

I vote for "Duke and Duchess of Washington".

Washington, DC WAS a territory ruled by the Royal Family, and nobody is currently claiming the title. Giving a duchy in North America, particularly a place where often-loathed US presidents live, would be a sign of hope for all of us that there is a better way out there.

Washington is an English name, and so it doesn't have to be read as being Washington, DC, although it could be. Even if it is read as being Washington, DC, plenty of European royal titles mention lands that the relevant Royal Family no longer controls.

I think there is a Washington in County Durham. But it may be part of the Dukedom of Northumberland.

[Gaudete]

If I remember correctly, a coat of arms is usually awarded to the father of the bride which the bride then uses as her own. But as the bride’s father is American, it may not be possible for the College of Arms to make a grant to someone who isn’t a British subject. I could be mistaken on this one but whether they can or they can’t, the easiest approach is just to give Meghan a coat of arms in her own right. Which I’m sure they will do if they can’t make a grant to her father.

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by CSENYC

I vote for "Duke and Duchess of Washington".

Washington, DC WAS a territory ruled by the Royal Family, and nobody is currently claiming the title. Giving a duchy in North America, particularly a place where often-loathed US presidents live, would be a sign of hope for all of us that there is a better way out there.

Washington is an English name, and so it doesn't have to be read as being Washington, DC, although it could be. Even if it is read as being Washington, DC, plenty of European royal titles mention lands that the relevant Royal Family no longer controls.

If certain people in Washington, DC get offended, they should note that giving this title is no more offensive than a powerful American tweeting British fascist websites. It's a fair comeuppance.

Not gonna happen. It would offend Britain more than the US methinks.

[lady of hay]

I can't quite remember the rules . There are things like "Heraldic Heirs" , not that Meghan would be one.
Presumably the Heralds will be doing what some of the media have been doing , and tracing Meghan's descent , so there may be things there they can use . I can't remember just at the moment who it is who gives a "Grant of Arms" , it may be the Queen.