Possible Dukedom for Harry and Meghan

[Hans-Rickard]

I voted for "Duke of Clarence" but i would love if he was created "Duke of London".

Alexander Mountbatten (son of Prince Henry of Battenberg and Queen Victoria's youngest daughter Princess Beatrice) was Marquess of Carisbrooke, Earl of Berkhampsted and Viscount Launceston. Maybe any of these titles could be actual ? He was the first Carisbrooke but Berkhampsted and Launceston have been in the Royal family before.

[Lady Nimue]

Originally Posted by Hans-Rickard

I voted for "Duke of Clarence" but i would love if he was created "Duke of London".

Alexander Mountbatten (son of Prince Henry of Battenberg and Queen Victoria's youngest daughter Princess Beatrice) was Marquess of Carisbrooke, Earl of Berkhampsted and Viscount Launceston. Maybe any of these titles could be actual ? He was the first Carisbrooke but Berkhampsted and Launceston have been in the Royal family before.

Oooh! I like Carisbrooke, and Launceston is nice. So many possibilities.

[Gaudete]

I wonder if Earl of Launceston will be one of Harry's subsidiary titles? Duke of Sussex, Earl of Launceston....it has a nice ring to it.

[Iluvbertie]

I am not sure about Launceston as that is the name of Tasmania's second city and it could be viewed as giving a title relating to Australia rather than the place in the UK. Titles that predate the settlements are fine but new ones I think will have to steer clear of places that also exist in the other realms or Commonwealth countries.

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Gaudete

I wonder if Earl of Launceston will be one of Harry's subsidiary titles? Duke of Sussex, Earl of Launceston....it has a nice ring to it.

Where is Launceston located (other than in Tasmania)? As the only thing I think we can be sure of (but maybe some disagree) is that one of the three titles will be English (most likely the primary one, but could be the second one if the first ends up being Scottish), Scottish (could be either first, second or third) and Welsh or Northern-Irish (second or third).

Or are there any recent example of a royal Duke with both a Welsh and Northern-Irish title (most likely instead of the Scottish one in that case)?

Edit: Found the answer: Launceston is also a place in Cornwall, so not likely in combination with Sussex. It could be used if Harry's Ducal title is Scottish So, the Marquess of Carisbrooke's subsidiary titles were also English but I can't imagine they would do the same for Harry

[Gaudete]

Originally Posted by Somebody

Where is Launceston located (other than in Tasmania)? As the only thing I think we can be sure of (but maybe some disagree) is that one of the three titles will be English (most likely the primary one, but could be the second one if the first ends up being Scottish), Scottish (could be either first, second or third) and Welsh or Northern-Irish (second or third).

Or are there any recent example of a royal Duke with both a Welsh and Northern-Irish title (most likely instead of the Scottish one in that case)?

It's in Cornwall (there's even a Launceston Castle there) which would be a nice link to his father's Duchy. But you're right of course, there's a pretty well defined nationality order as it were so I would expect English Dukedom, Scottish Earldom and Northern Irish Barony - which sadly puts Launceston out. It can't be upgraded to a Duchy because it would take it out of the Duchy of Cornwall - which wouldn't please the Prince of Wales!

[Hans-Rickard]

More can be read here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Carisbrooke

Carisbrooke is after Carisbrooke Castle in Carisbrooke on Isle of Wight where his parents lived.

Earl of Berkhamsted is named for the city with the same name.

Viscount Launceston is named for Launceston in Cornwall.

[Hans-Rickard]

I love all 3 of Alexander Mountbatten's titles. Maybe Harry could be made Duke of Carisbrooke instead of Marquess.....But until we know better, i think it's most likely that H will get a British dukedom, a Scottish earldom and either a Welch or Northern Irish Barony or Viscounty. Or maybe both.

[wyevale]

Carisbrooke Castle was a place of imprisonment in the long calvary of Charles 1st [King and Martyr] in 1648. He nearly escaped but got stuck in the Window he was trying to escape from... so possibly the name may not appeal to the future Charles III as a title for his son...?

[EllieCat]

i like 'Ross' but I'm wondering if he might be created an Earl instead, but I really hope not. At least the Earl of Wessex will probably one day be the Duke of Edinburgh. If Prince Harry becomes an Earl, that would probably be it. It's a bit tricky because at this stage he is 'only' the grandson of a Monarch. And what style will his children have? The Queen had to make it her Will that William's children are Prince/esses. In theory, Harry's potential children will be Lords/Ladies, but i think i've gone off-topic.

That has to be a very old practice because the majority of Dutch people don't have a difference between first name and a calling name.

Off-topic again, I'm half Dutch, and EVERY Dutch person I know goes by another version of their name, in effect a nickname. E.g. my dad is Josephus; he goes by Jo, Josef or Joop. His wife Josephine, also Dutch, is Josy, or Fintje.

[principessa]

Originally Posted by ladongas

Once again, I enthusiastically vote for “Duke of Earl”, because it comes with a song:

One of my favourite songs.

What a pity that Earl won't be a Dukedom elsewhere in the world!

[Gaudete]

I’m not too sure about Northern Irish baronies but if he is created Duke of Sussex then I would expect Earl of Kendal to be his subsidiary title. It seems the most obvious Scottish peerage that he could be given.

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by EllieCat

i like 'Ross' but I'm wondering if he might be created an Earl instead, but I really hope not. At least the Earl of Wessex will probably one day be the Duke of Edinburgh. If Prince Harry becomes an Earl, that would probably be it. It's a bit tricky because at this stage he is 'only' the grandson of a Monarch. And what style will his children have? The Queen had to make it her Will that William's children are Prince/esses. In theory, Harry's potential children will be Lords/Ladies, but i think i've gone off-topic.

William and Catherine's eldest son would have been a HRH and prince in any case. An important reason to make the change was the change in the order of succession as it would have been really hard to explain if their first had been a daughter (and thus the future queen but born as 'Lady') and the second a son (who would have been titled as HRH and prince).

Off-topic again, I'm half Dutch, and EVERY Dutch person I know goes by another version of their name, in effect a nickname. E.g. my dad is Josephus; he goes by Jo, Josef or Joop. His wife Josephine, also Dutch, is Josy, or Fintje.

My point was that it is NOT just a nickname in many cases (it would be if used interchangeably) but a 'calling name' that is decided on by the parents and communicated to friends and family on the birth announcement. In a comparable way, Meghan's parents have called her Meghan from birth, so it is not as if she has taken on a different name at some point (contrary to for example princess Laurentien who was known from birth as Petra but decided to start using Laurentien instead; or princess Christina whose calling name (not official name - that was Maria Christina) was Marijke).

[Hans-Rickard]

Or maybe they could create a Welch dukedom for Harry from one of the historic welch counties like they did with Philips earldom (Merioneth)... Then he could have Earl of Ross and Viscount Launceston as subsidary titles.

Not very likely, i know but an idea

[LadyGlendower]

I cannot imagine the daughter of Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon naming her grandson the Duke of Windsor. Yes, I know it's been 80 years but it is still too soon, ESPECIALLY with an American bride.

And honestly, why saddle sweet Meghan and Harry with the baggage? A new title would be better, although I like the simplicity of Ross and as someone upthread noted, the tranquility of Sussex.

Most important----I would OBJECT!

[Skippy]

Originally Posted by EllieCat

i like 'Ross' but I'm wondering if he might be created an Earl instead, but I really hope not. At least the Earl of Wessex will probably one day be the Duke of Edinburgh. If Prince Harry becomes an Earl, that would probably be it. It's a bit tricky because at this stage he is 'only' the grandson of a Monarch. And what style will his children have? The Queen had to make it her Will that William's children are Prince/esses. In theory, Harry's potential children will be Lords/Ladies, but i think i've gone off-topic.



Off-topic again, I'm half Dutch, and EVERY Dutch person I know goes by another version of their name, in effect a nickname. E.g. my dad is Josephus; he goes by Jo, Josef or Joop. His wife Josephine, also Dutch, is Josy, or Fintje.

That is usually the case with Catholic names. There is a full name and a name by which someone is known. As far as I know, Catholic people (almost) never go by their full name.

Originally Posted by Somebody

William and Catherine's eldest son would have been a HRH and prince in any case. An important reason to make the change was the change in the order of succession as it would have been really hard to explain if their first had been a daughter (and thus the future queen but born as 'Lady') and the second a son (who would have been titled as HRH and prince).


My point was that it is NOT just a nickname in many cases (it would be if used interchangeably) but a 'calling name' that is decided on by the parents and communicated to friends and family on the birth announcement. In a comparable way, Meghan's parents have called her Meghan from birth, so it is not as if she has taken on a different name at some point (contrary to for example princess Laurentien who was known from birth as Petra but decided to start using Laurentien instead; or princess Christina whose calling name (not official name - that was Maria Christina) was Marijke).

Also true, but in your exmple the 'calling name' already exists. While in EllieCat's example the 'calling name' is an abbreviation of the existing name.

"Rachel Meghan Markle. We call her Meghan." Laurentien's name is a combination of her father and mother's name - completely made up so no form of anything

Princess Christina's former 'calling name' of Marijke was possibly a form of Maria, but she went to use her second name.

So here we have three different examples of women who don't use their first name (anymore)



But this has gone way off-topic and is not about possible Dukedoms any longer. I suggest we move on from this.

[Skippy]

Originally Posted by LadyGlendower

I cannot imagine the daughter of Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon naming her grandson the Duke of Windsor. Yes, I know it's been 80 years but it is still too soon, ESPECIALLY with an American bride.

And honestly, why saddle sweet Meghan and Harry with the baggage? A new title would be better, although I like the simplicity of Ross and as someone upthread noted, the tranquility of Sussex.

Most important----I would OBJECT!

That was me who noted the tranquility of Sussex

And Ross makes me think in a totally different direction, like 3 centuries back.

[Missjersey]

Oh jeepers ! I actually wouldn’t mind it but as I stated before I know it won’t happen. I hope it’s something that takes us by surprise. Of course Windsor would do that. No worries

[jacqui24]

People are objecting to Clarence due to long past bad connection, but people are throwing Windsor out there? Really?

[Hans-Rickard]

Originally Posted by jacqui24

People are objecting to Clarence due to long past bad connection, but people are throwing Windsor out there? Really?

You said what i thought

A new "Duke of Windsor" won't happen in the reign of Queen Elizabeth II and Harry will not reside at Fort Belvedere for the very same reason. But tbh i don't see anything that would make "Duke of Clarence" a bad option. Most titles carries a "past use" with it and i think it's wrong to disqualify them because of what happened to a Duke of a certain title 200-500 years ago. No one really cares about that.