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Old 03-31-2018, 12:46 AM
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Not trying to be rude.... but if you don't want to talk about Meghan's family don't come into a thread about Meghan 's family. Seriously it says in big letters what the topic of convo is; no one is forcing anyone to participate.
Additionally, just because Meghan was raised one way doesn't mean Tom and Samantha were raised the same; there is a large age gap between them and has been stated before Tom Sr. could have been a different type of parent. We don't know anything and are just speculating, but it's not just Samantha that is off the rails but also her brother, a common influence on them both was either Tom Sr. or Roslyn. That is not to excuse their bad behavior, at their age they should have already gotten it together and there is definitely no excuse for how they both have treated their own kids.
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Not trying to be rude.... but if you don't want to talk about Meghan's family don't come into a thread about Meghan 's family. Seriously it says in big letters what the topic of convo is; no one is forcing anyone to participate.
Additionally, just because Meghan was raised one way doesn't mean Tom and Samantha were raised the same; there is a large age gap between them and has been stated before Tom Sr. could have been a different type of parent. We don't know anything and are just speculating, but it's not just Samantha that is off the rails but also her brother, a common influence on them both was either Tom Sr. or Roslyn. That is not to excuse their bad behavior, at their age they should have already gotten it together and there is definitely no excuse for how they both have treated their own kids.


I donít think itís topic that should be discussed at all. There are children involved etc but if you enjoy that I canít stop you.
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Old 03-31-2018, 04:10 AM
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I understand that people take issue with Samanthaís because of her comments. I think itís fair to judge a person for their own behavior. The issue here is blaming others for how Samantha couldíve turned out the way she did when we donít know a lot of stuff about her childhood. I think some of us are having a difficult time getting comfortable with the discussion regarding how she became this way as a result of her parents. Especially with some insinuating that Tom Sr. was the negative influence on his children when Meghan has made it clear in the past what her father taught her and meant to her.
Oh yeah, I agree. I couldn't care less how Tom Sr & co were as parents. Meghan says, that she's close to her dad, has told sweet stories about him and how he raised her. I take that as the truth, and I don't need to know more.

I do wish for Meghan's sake, that her estranged siblings didn't make themselves known, but they seem to feel entitled to a piece of Meghan's life, no matter how they get it. Imo it's necessary to double check the info and their claims, and as it has turned out, their claims seem to be less than truthful.
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Old 03-31-2018, 08:33 AM
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I donít think itís topic that should be discussed at all. There are children involved etc but if you enjoy that I canít stop you.
The "children" are grown adults and are taking their stories to the press. They're the ones that opened the door to be discussed. They're not innocent victims here.
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Old 03-31-2018, 09:07 AM
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I don't blame anyone for Samantha being a hateful person except her. She is a grown woman who made her own decisions. I have learned enough to come to that conclusion. Her mother did the best she could and then Thomas Snr did the same once he was able. Nothing stopped her from getting her stuff together. She went to college. Thomas Snr was supportive. She just didn't make it as an actress/model.

I think the best thing to have happened to Meghan was being so much younger than them. She was raised basically an only child.

But really.... how Thomas Snr raised Meghan and his lack of raising the older two is glaring. People can (and do) act differently with second families. That is just life. That doesn't make him a bad person. He was young and irresponsible when he had Samantha and Jnr and then 15 years later came Meghan. It is not Snr's fault that Samantha was jealous and bitter over her new baby sister but it does highlight why she does the things she does.

And as said she was the same with her own kids. It is all about Samantha.
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Women are not responsible for the actions of grown men or women. The Markle siblings know they have a certain privilege which allows their voices to be heard and amplified without question while Meghan must remain silent and cannot tell her own narrative. This makes their actions even more insidious. They have very limited story regarding Meghan and instead of living their own lives and pursuing their own adult children they pursue fame and money so they can embarrass Meghan.
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Old 03-31-2018, 10:12 AM
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Women are not responsible for the actions of grown men or women. The Markle siblings know they have a certain privilege which allows their voices to be heard and amplified without question while Meghan must remain silent and cannot tell her own narrative. This makes their actions even more insidious. They have very limited story regarding Meghan and instead of living their own lives and pursuing their own adult children they pursue fame and money so they can embarrass Meghan.
That makes their actions even more nasty. The markles have talked themselves into a corner, shown, that they have no contact with Meghan, and they just want to exploit her. But her ex-bff took the opportunity to sell their whole decades long friendship for 6 figure sum of money, and Meghan can't tell her side of any of it. They all know that, and used that to their advantage.
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Old 03-31-2018, 11:05 AM
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I don’t think it’s topic that should be discussed at all. There are children involved etc but if you enjoy that I can’t stop you.
I agree it is not appropriate for us to assign blame to others for lack of character or to judge parenting.

But those people who are willingly after their 15 minutes of fame are legitimate subjects for discussion.

There are no children involved here. They are all adults.
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Old 03-31-2018, 11:22 AM
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I have a question: if Sam is going to be a "tv commentator" on behalf of a network for the wedding, why is she begging for an invitation with the help of an agent? It could be only two things: 1) the previous reports about the tv gig were wrong; 2) Kensington Palace - with an assist from Buckingham Palace - informed this TV channel it, the on air talent and the crew will not have access to Windsor grounds or be granted permission to do live coverage (video feed included) if Samantha is part of the programming. I lean to no. 2 because of the blatant begging by Samantha. She realized she got on the wrong side of very powerful people, therefore an agent from Britain (Linda Langton) to get her out of this PR mess Sam alone created.
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Old 03-31-2018, 11:25 AM
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I agree it is not appropriate for us to assign blame to others for lack of character or to judge parenting.

But those people who are willingly after their 15 minutes of fame are legitimate subjects for discussion.

There are no children involved here. They are all adults.
Even the adult "children" playing games with the tabloids have adult children. I don't get where the "children involved" comes from.

We're not armchair psychologists nor do we know these people and the innermost details of all their years as a family. We know what the attention seekers are telling us and its been a game of flip flop ever since the beginning. Now the tabloids are being used by one of the half siblings to beg, plead and moan and beg again for a wedding invite. Not going to happen.

Another thing that is contradictory that has occurred to me is that if Samantha Grant has contracted and agreed to be a "wedding correspondent" on the day of the wedding, what happens should she actually get an invite? Does she drop the contract with the TV station in a New York minute and put on the glad rags and hightail it to Windsor Castle? The woman is delusional and has a very short attention span. Says one thing one day and flip flops to something else totally opposite the next.

Go figure.
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Old 03-31-2018, 11:29 AM
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I agree it is not appropriate for us to assign blame to others for lack of character or to judge parenting.

But those people who are willingly after their 15 minutes of fame are legitimate subjects for discussion.

There are no children involved here. They are all adults.
Agreed. These attention seekers have opened themselves up to have their own backgrounds investigated by the press. They can't cry when the legitimate and tabloid media unearth some embarrassing but true and report it. It gets legs because they willing tied themselves to Meghan. Meghan is right to stay silent because she is going to be more sympathetic in the long run.
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Old 03-31-2018, 11:33 AM
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Samantha knows she not getting invited. This is all just a PR game to her. Her new angle is to pretend to show remorse so she can play that card to the fullest extent when she tries to promote this book. "I am misunderstood!" is what she is saying now.

As for her TV gig? I fully expect her and the other wayward Markles to be in the crowds of Windsor or in some studio giving commentary.
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Old 03-31-2018, 11:35 AM
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Another thing that is contradictory that has occurred to me is that if Samantha Grant has contracted and agreed to be a "wedding correspondent" on the day of the wedding, what happens should she actually get an invite? Does she drop the contract with the TV station in a New York minute and put on the glad rags and hightail it to Windsor Castle? The woman is delusional and has a very short attention span. Says one thing one day and flip flops to something else totally opposite the next.

Go figure.
I still think there is no contract, but if there were, the network can sue Samantha for breach. The network won't get any money but it can damage her reputation so no agency or production company will not want to do business with her.
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Old 03-31-2018, 12:30 PM
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Samantha knows she not getting invited. This is all just a PR game to her. Her new angle is to pretend to show remorse so she can play that card to the fullest extent when she tries to promote this book. "I am misunderstood!" is what she is saying now.

As for her TV gig? I fully expect her and the other wayward Markles to be in the crowds of Windsor or in some studio giving commentary.
I again agree. She doesn't even want an invite. If she was invited, she'd be among 600 other guests. She'd have to sit through the ceremony in the church, she'd have to mingle with other people at the reception. She wouldn't get any special attention. She doesn't want that. She doesn't care about Meghan, the wedding and all that. This is only a PR method to try to gain sympathy, and somehow make herself a victim.

If she's in a studio as some sort of correspondent, her mug would be on screen with only a few other people. She'd be interviewed, she could spew her 'info' uninterrupted. That's what she wants, attention on herself. Meghan and this wedding is just a tool to achieve that. That's why she's got herself an agent. To find a way to get a piece of Meghan's life in any way or form possible. Way to gain attention on herself.

Same goes for all the other markles except Tom Sr. I mean the ex sister-in-law who hasn't seen Meghan in 20 years has got herself into interviews. Why? She doesn't even know Meghan or care for her. It's just her way to get attention and some easy money. A correspondent gig gives her and the nephew a free, fully accommodated trip to UK and spare cash.
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Old 03-31-2018, 01:00 PM
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Same goes for all the other markles except Tom Sr. I mean the ex sister-in-law who hasn't seen Meghan in 20 years has got herself into interviews. Why? She doesn't even know Meghan or care for her. It's just her way to get attention and some easy money. A correspondent gig gives her and the nephew a free, fully accommodated trip to UK and spare cash.
I'd really find myself rolling on the floor in hysterics if what happened is that these "royal correspondents" find themselves being filmed in their own home to be broadcast as "fillers" when the actual commentators need a quick bathroom run.

It would even be better if the "fillers" were preempted from airing due to something incredibly stupid any of them do before the actual wedding date.

For the life of me, I can't see why any media outlet would pay all the expenses to the UK for people who openly admit they have no real relationship with Meghan as an adult at all. Then again, the media outlets may have more money than brains.

Go figure.
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Harry and Meghan's dad

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...rikes-12246794

Harry makes the effort to forge a relationship with Meghan's daddy. He calls him regularly to discuss the wedding. That is great!!
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Harry makes the effort to forge a relationship with Meghan's daddy. He calls he regularly to discuss the wedding. That is great!!
It's curious to me that some here view this woman as legit. I initially was questioning the photo, thinking it might be photo-shopped. I just read the article and it is very 'thin'. IF this woman did in fact convey all this to a reporter (if that set-up is real) it could be that the reporter sort of started walking with her to her car, was amiable enough to melt her defenses and got her to mention some stuff. But I am a huge skeptic on this. A lot of what she is supposedly saying makes no sense given what little we do know.

'Regular' people do not understand how reporters work, and especially tabloid reporters. Most people find it hard to walk away from a question without politely acknowledging the question. It's human nature that the reporter is counting on.

Still, color me cynical on this one. I really doubt Harry is calling regularly. Doubt the father is talking like this.
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I understand and agree with your reservations about this woman. However, she actually could be on the level, finding a friend/father-figure for herself and her child and thinks to repay his kindness by saying the things he won't to reporters.
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I understand and agree with your reservations about this woman. However, she actually could be on the level, finding a friend/father-figure for herself and her child and thinks to repay his kindness by saying the things he won't to reporters.
Or she is a set-up. Agreed to get photographed. She is looking at the camera. Who knows? Since we don't have normal journalism at work here, with checks on sources, etc. Anyway, if I were Meghan, I'd be having a serious talk with me papa. (Unless he's failing in some way: always possible).
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It's curious to me that some here view this woman as legit. I initially was questioning the photo, thinking it might be photo-shopped. I just read the article and it is very 'thin'. IF this woman did in fact convey all this to a reporter (if that set-up is real) it could be that the reporter sort of started walking with her to her car, was amiable enough to melt her defenses and got her to mention some stuff. But I am a huge skeptic on this. A lot of what she is supposedly saying makes no sense given what little we do know.

'Regular' people do not understand how reporters work, and especially tabloid reporters. Most people find it hard to walk away from a question without politely acknowledging the question. It's human nature that the reporter is counting on.

Still, color me cynical on this one. I really doubt Harry is calling regularly. Doubt the father is talking like this.
I get what you are saying and I agree to a point, however, let me make a point. None of us know Harry or Meghan, therefore, we will never get conformation on what's true or legit in this case. Harry calling Meghan's dad makes sense. Harry needs to make the effort with Meghan's dad without her having to telling him. It's wise and the right thing to do. Meghan is joining his family, yes, BUT lets not forget that Harry is also joining hers.
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