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Old 03-30-2018, 05:26 AM
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I am sure he must have shown a keen interest before now in his beloved daughter’s adult life and participated (even a teeny weeny bit) on the special occasions of her life as an adult (ie. her 1st wedding), the way Doria has. Surely there are photographs floating about somewhere that depicts a loving, close father relationship with his adult daughter. Childhood, prepubescent pics of them together are constantly shoved in our faces. And no, I don’t believe a generic photo of a group of hands posted on Thanksgiving via instagram (captioned and perhaps trying to hark back to happier memories) necessarily mean they were hands of her with both parents at the time. She hasn’t been shy in presenting full photographs of her as an adult with one of her parents, and did so frequently. He isn’t shy either and my goodness hasn’t he and his inner circle gone out of their way in making it known he would love to attend her wedding this time around. And walk her down the aisle. It is not something that would be done publicly in that way if there weren’t uncertainties, or it was already assured/guaranteed that he would be granted that honour as is usually the case with most weddings if a healthy very close adult daughter/father relationship existed. Markles along with their friends constantly trying to force the issue via the press, media is just eek. Plus not meeting Harry before the engagement announcement, perhaps not even before the big day itself. To me there is something off and like someone else previously pointed out certain things simply don’t add up. It is not a crime for a Person to try paint a rosy picture of a difficult/estranged parental relationship, even if that wasn’t a reality, especially when you’re in the public eye. I think she does love her dad in her own way but they were probably not as close in her adult years enough to keep in touch, up until now that is. Anyway he is no longer shy it seems and now desperately wants to walk Meghan down the aisle on such a momentous Royal occasion. I do hope he gets chance to, even if he it means he might have to share that platform with Meghan’s mum. Happy ending all around, eh. I’m done with this topic
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Old 03-30-2018, 05:40 AM
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^ Amen ^

Beyond the age of 25, 'proper' adulthood, it is inadequate and a bit pathetic to blame ones 'childhood' or others for defects in character or behaviour..
The Markle older children lived with their dad from their prepubescent years onwards, enough time for him to have made either a positive or negative impact in both their lives, well, probably. But I do agree with others that there are varying other factors that can determine how a person turns out. In the case of not one just one person but both Tom and Sam, who can really tell? No one. Certainly is interesting. I do know Meghan moved out with her mum after her parents separated when she was just 2 years old. But yeah he did play some part in raising her during childhood and she spent time on occasions with him and extended family. But she primarily resided with her mum.. Truly finished with this topic.
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Old 03-30-2018, 02:51 PM
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It does appear that perhaps the reason Tom and Samantha are so dysfunctional is because they didn't have a dad for most of their early lives; whatever lies society tries to create about fathers, they are very important in childrens lives. Apparently they also suffered financially due to a one parent income. I am not excusing Tom and Samantha's behavior I'm just trying to see where it may stem from. To add insult to injury both have apparently been worse parents than their absent father.
I must say I giggled at the comment that this thread isn't about Roslyn's children... when clearly it is.
Additionally I don't think Uncle Gary is comparable to the Markle's; he is just one bad apple while the Markle's have Sam, Tom, Tom's ex, Tom's son, and now Tom Sr. 's lady friend.
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Old 03-30-2018, 05:56 PM
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Meghan Markle: Family and Background

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WHY is hells name are you all so interested in this family. I canít believe on a royal forum we are discussing how these children were brought up. Iím pretty sure we shouldnít be accusing a private person of these things Isnít there a name for doing this on line. I thought this forum had high standards in this sort of discussion
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Old 03-30-2018, 06:28 PM
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WHY is hells name are you all so interested in this family. I canít believe on a royal forum we are discussing how these children were brought up. Iím pretty sure we shouldnít be accusing a private person of these things Isnít there a name for doing this on line. I thought this forum had high standards in this sort of discussion
Because Samantha and Tom Jr opened the door themselves by drawing attention to themselves and trying to sell out their half sister for personal gain.
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Old 03-30-2018, 06:42 PM
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WHY is hells name are you all so interested in this family. I canít believe on a royal forum we are discussing how these children were brought up. Iím pretty sure we shouldnít be accusing a private person of these things Isnít there a name for doing this on line. I thought this forum had high standards in this sort of discussion
Thanks Royal Rob. It does seem like a lot of discussion of people who had little to no knowledge or contact with Meghan throughout her life. And will absolutely not be part of her life going forward. Now that it's clear they won't be at the wedding, I'm not sure what more there is to say. I hope uncle Gary doesn't inspire this level of debate.
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Old 03-30-2018, 07:01 PM
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WHY is hells name are you all so interested in this family. I canít believe on a royal forum we are discussing how these children were brought up. Iím pretty sure we shouldnít be accusing a private person of these things Isnít there a name for doing this on line. I thought this forum had high standards in this sort of discussion


Well said.
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Old 03-30-2018, 07:11 PM
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WHY is hells name are you all so interested in this family. I can’t believe on a royal forum we are discussing how these children were brought up. I’m pretty sure we shouldn’t be accusing a private person of these things Isn’t there a name for doing this on line. I thought this forum had high standards in this sort of discussion
I mean, no offense, but the thread is about her family and background. Not accusing but discussing what they have put out themselves. If they are going to constantly attach themselves to her and the media is giving them a platform then it will likely be discussed. It is pretty easy to just ignore if you don't want to contribute. That is why there are different topic threads for those that do.

And on that note of "family" --

Samantha hired an agent and they put out an interview. She had changed her book title and it is coming out. I am sure Thomas Jnr is next.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...ncess-12281083
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Old 03-30-2018, 07:14 PM
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Well... it is about Meghan's family and background and half siblings and their mother and uncles are on the periphery of her family growing up. As was said, these estranged "family" members are bringing it all on themselves. Its comical. Its people that are putting the "fun" in dysfunctional.

Like a car crash, you can't help but slow down and see what happened.

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Samantha hired an agent and they put out an interview. She had changed her book title and it is coming out. I am sure Thomas Jnr is next.
Another ploy to wangle an invite to the wedding, Sammie? If that's the case, perhaps an appropriate title for the "soon not to be on the best seller list" is "Karma Chameleon."
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Old 03-30-2018, 07:49 PM
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There is a difference between reading about the incredible audacity of Meghan's grasping half siblings that are jealous of their sister's life and trying to sabotage her and psychoanalysing them and absolving them of their faults by attributing their venal behaviour to their father's bad parenting is unbelievable.

In my opinion that is unacceptable, it crosses a line that should not be crossed. Until "Harry and Meghan" we knew nothing of these people and since then we only know them from what they have publically said and done. We categorically do not have the right to trash Tom Snr for any reason whatsoever.
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There is a difference between reading about the incredible audacity of Meghan's grasping half siblings that are jealous of their sister's life and trying to sabotage her and psychoanalysing them and absolving them of their faults by attributing their venal behaviour to their father's bad parenting is unbelievable.

In my opinion that is unacceptable, it crosses a line that should not be crossed. Until "Harry and Meghan" we knew nothing of these people and since then we only know them from what they have publically said and done. We categorically do not have the right to trash Tom Snr for any reason whatsoever.
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I mean, no offense, but the thread is about her family and background. Not accusing but discussing what they have put out themselves. If they are going to constantly attach themselves to her and the media is giving them a platform then it will likely be discussed. It is pretty easy to just ignore if you don't want to contribute. That is why there are different topic threads for those that do.
Exactly. Ignore if it's not anything you'd like to discuss. But attempting to snuff out conversation is over-reaching.
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Old 03-30-2018, 08:39 PM
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Thomas Jr talking.

Thomas Markle Jr says he is waiting for a royal wedding invite | Daily Mail Online

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He expects an invitation.
He plans on writing a book about Meghan
He hopes there will be a family reunion after the wedding

These people are crazy.
Oh dear, and on and on it goes....Thereís also the new lady friend of the patriarch putting out stuff to the press as well
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Old 03-30-2018, 08:56 PM
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I mean, no offense, but the thread is about her family and background. Not accusing but discussing what they have put out themselves. If they are going to constantly attach themselves to her and the media is giving them a platform then it will likely be discussed. It is pretty easy to just ignore if you don't want to contribute. That is why there are different topic threads for those that do.

And on that note of "family" --

Samantha hired an agent and they put out an interview. She had changed her book title and it is coming out. I am sure Thomas Jnr is next.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...ncess-12281083
Quoted for truth!

No one has “trashed” Mr Markle but I guess there are those more inclined to muddy the waters if an opinion / discussion is different to theirs or not going their way

Stating things that Tom Jnr and Samantha have themselves said that they had spent their adolescent period living with their dad is not a rule breaker. And to me, believing that period are part of formative years is not a crime either.

“bad parenting” ....would love to see where that was attributed to anyone !
There’s a whole forum on here dedicated to discussing the former Princess of Wales, her lovers, her friends, family and how they impacted on her. Plus discussions relating to her relationship with her parents, why she ended up a certain way. These topics are obviously allowed., so exploring or trying to understand why certain Markles & those linked to them put themselves out there exploiting Meghan non-stop, ought not to be an issue.
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Exactly. Ignore if it's not anything you'd like to discuss. But attempting to snuff out conversation is over-reaching.
I second this.
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:18 PM
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This is phase two of Operation Image rehab for Sam. She finally realized she damaged herself in the court of public opinion with her year long smear campaign against Meghan. Her agent probably told her to change the title of the book because the public sees it as a hit piece and it won't sell.
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ĎMeghan Markle's sister drops 'Princess Pushy' book title as she hopes for wedding inviteĎ

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...ncess-12281083

Oh good! I suppose we can all sing kumbaya and forget the things she used to tweet then delete on SM as well as the numerous other stuff she told the papers about her dearly beloved ďsisterĒ
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Old 03-30-2018, 11:10 PM
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I mean, no offense, but the thread is about her family and background. Not accusing but discussing what they have put out themselves. If they are going to constantly attach themselves to her and the media is giving them a platform then it will likely be discussed. It is pretty easy to just ignore if you don't want to contribute. That is why there are different topic threads for those that do.

And on that note of "family" --

Samantha hired an agent and they put out an interview. She had changed her book title and it is coming out. I am sure Thomas Jnr is next.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...ncess-12281083
I agree.

When Meghan's and Harry's relationship became public knowledge, Samantha was the first one to trash Meghan. She's the one who got the 'social climber' and 'pushy' titles attached to Meghan. At first her words were taken quite seriously by some even on this forum, questioning Meghan's character because of 'her sister' thought so lowly of her. We didn't know anything about Samantha even then. IMHO it is only fair that Samantha's own story was checked out after the character assassination she did on Meghan. And Samantha still keeps giving interviews, and they get posted here.

IMHO anyone from Meghan's family and background who themselves are giving interviews or selling info about Meghan become fair game.
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I agree.

When Meghan's and Harry's relationship became public knowledge, Samantha was the first one to trash Meghan. She's the one who got the 'social climber' and 'pushy' titles attached to Meghan. At first her words were taken quite seriously by some even on this forum, questioning Meghan's character because of 'her sister' thought so lowly of her. We didn't know anything about Samantha even then. IMHO it is only fair that Samantha's own story was checked out after the character assassination she did on Meghan. And Samantha still keeps giving interviews, and they get posted here.

IMHO anyone from Meghan's family and background who themselves are giving interviews or selling info about Meghan become fair game.
I understand that people take issue with Samantha’s because of her comments. I think it’s fair to judge a person for their own behavior. The issue here is blaming others for how Samantha could’ve turned out the way she did when we don’t know a lot of stuff about her childhood. I think some of us are having a difficult time getting comfortable with the discussion regarding how she became this way as a result of her parents. Especially with some insinuating that Tom Sr. was the negative influence on his children when Meghan has made it clear in the past what her father taught her and meant to her.
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Old 03-31-2018, 12:29 AM
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I don't blame anyone for Samantha being a hateful person except her. She is a grown woman who made her own decisions. I have learned enough to come to that conclusion. Her mother did the best she could and then Thomas Snr did the same once he was able. Nothing stopped her from getting her stuff together. She went to college. Thomas Snr was supportive. She just didn't make it as an actress/model.

I think the best thing to have happened to Meghan was being so much younger than them. She was raised basically an only child.

But really.... how Thomas Snr raised Meghan and his lack of raising the older two is glaring. People can (and do) act differently with second families. That is just life. That doesn't make him a bad person. He was young and irresponsible when he had Samantha and Jnr and then 15 years later came Meghan. It is not Snr's fault that Samantha was jealous and bitter over her new baby sister but it does highlight why she does the things she does.

And as said she was the same with her own kids. It is all about Samantha.
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